Common root question on quadratics equations to show that $a+b+c=0$

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If $f(x)=ax^2+bx-c$ and $g(x)=ax^2+cx+b$ have a common root , show that $a+b+c=0$.



I tried this by thinking that $alpha$ is the common root and then I got by substituting and solving ,



$(b^2+c^2)(b-c)+a(b+c)^2=0$



how can I proceed from here ? Any ideas ?







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  • Note that $g(1)=0.$
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  • i missed to mention that f is not identical to g. Really sorry. I'll mark your answer correct and ask this again, :D
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  • The necessary and sufficient condition for $f$ and $g$ having a common root is that $a(b+c)^2+b(b^2-c^2)-c(b-c)^2=0$. In fact, a common root is a roots of $(f-g)(x)=(b-c)x-(b+c)$. The condition above is equivalent to this root being a root of $f$, but being also a root of $f-g$, it is equivalent to being a root of $g$ too. This condition is not equivalent to $a+b+c=0$, even when $b,cneq 0$.
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If $f(x)=ax^2+bx-c$ and $g(x)=ax^2+cx+b$ have a common root , show that $a+b+c=0$.



I tried this by thinking that $alpha$ is the common root and then I got by substituting and solving ,



$(b^2+c^2)(b-c)+a(b+c)^2=0$



how can I proceed from here ? Any ideas ?







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  • Note that $g(1)=0.$
    – prog_SAHIL
    15 hours ago










  • @Angelo Mark You can not change the given after answer on your question. Ask new question.
    – Michael Rozenberg
    15 hours ago










  • i missed to mention that f is not identical to g. Really sorry. I'll mark your answer correct and ask this again, :D
    – Angelo Mark
    15 hours ago










  • Open new topic, please. Thank you!
    – Michael Rozenberg
    15 hours ago










  • The necessary and sufficient condition for $f$ and $g$ having a common root is that $a(b+c)^2+b(b^2-c^2)-c(b-c)^2=0$. In fact, a common root is a roots of $(f-g)(x)=(b-c)x-(b+c)$. The condition above is equivalent to this root being a root of $f$, but being also a root of $f-g$, it is equivalent to being a root of $g$ too. This condition is not equivalent to $a+b+c=0$, even when $b,cneq 0$.
    – spiralstotheleft
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If $f(x)=ax^2+bx-c$ and $g(x)=ax^2+cx+b$ have a common root , show that $a+b+c=0$.



I tried this by thinking that $alpha$ is the common root and then I got by substituting and solving ,



$(b^2+c^2)(b-c)+a(b+c)^2=0$



how can I proceed from here ? Any ideas ?







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If $f(x)=ax^2+bx-c$ and $g(x)=ax^2+cx+b$ have a common root , show that $a+b+c=0$.



I tried this by thinking that $alpha$ is the common root and then I got by substituting and solving ,



$(b^2+c^2)(b-c)+a(b+c)^2=0$



how can I proceed from here ? Any ideas ?









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  • Note that $g(1)=0.$
    – prog_SAHIL
    15 hours ago










  • @Angelo Mark You can not change the given after answer on your question. Ask new question.
    – Michael Rozenberg
    15 hours ago










  • i missed to mention that f is not identical to g. Really sorry. I'll mark your answer correct and ask this again, :D
    – Angelo Mark
    15 hours ago










  • Open new topic, please. Thank you!
    – Michael Rozenberg
    15 hours ago










  • The necessary and sufficient condition for $f$ and $g$ having a common root is that $a(b+c)^2+b(b^2-c^2)-c(b-c)^2=0$. In fact, a common root is a roots of $(f-g)(x)=(b-c)x-(b+c)$. The condition above is equivalent to this root being a root of $f$, but being also a root of $f-g$, it is equivalent to being a root of $g$ too. This condition is not equivalent to $a+b+c=0$, even when $b,cneq 0$.
    – spiralstotheleft
    15 hours ago

















  • Note that $g(1)=0.$
    – prog_SAHIL
    15 hours ago










  • @Angelo Mark You can not change the given after answer on your question. Ask new question.
    – Michael Rozenberg
    15 hours ago










  • i missed to mention that f is not identical to g. Really sorry. I'll mark your answer correct and ask this again, :D
    – Angelo Mark
    15 hours ago










  • Open new topic, please. Thank you!
    – Michael Rozenberg
    15 hours ago










  • The necessary and sufficient condition for $f$ and $g$ having a common root is that $a(b+c)^2+b(b^2-c^2)-c(b-c)^2=0$. In fact, a common root is a roots of $(f-g)(x)=(b-c)x-(b+c)$. The condition above is equivalent to this root being a root of $f$, but being also a root of $f-g$, it is equivalent to being a root of $g$ too. This condition is not equivalent to $a+b+c=0$, even when $b,cneq 0$.
    – spiralstotheleft
    15 hours ago
















Note that $g(1)=0.$
– prog_SAHIL
15 hours ago




Note that $g(1)=0.$
– prog_SAHIL
15 hours ago












@Angelo Mark You can not change the given after answer on your question. Ask new question.
– Michael Rozenberg
15 hours ago




@Angelo Mark You can not change the given after answer on your question. Ask new question.
– Michael Rozenberg
15 hours ago












i missed to mention that f is not identical to g. Really sorry. I'll mark your answer correct and ask this again, :D
– Angelo Mark
15 hours ago




i missed to mention that f is not identical to g. Really sorry. I'll mark your answer correct and ask this again, :D
– Angelo Mark
15 hours ago












Open new topic, please. Thank you!
– Michael Rozenberg
15 hours ago




Open new topic, please. Thank you!
– Michael Rozenberg
15 hours ago












The necessary and sufficient condition for $f$ and $g$ having a common root is that $a(b+c)^2+b(b^2-c^2)-c(b-c)^2=0$. In fact, a common root is a roots of $(f-g)(x)=(b-c)x-(b+c)$. The condition above is equivalent to this root being a root of $f$, but being also a root of $f-g$, it is equivalent to being a root of $g$ too. This condition is not equivalent to $a+b+c=0$, even when $b,cneq 0$.
– spiralstotheleft
15 hours ago





The necessary and sufficient condition for $f$ and $g$ having a common root is that $a(b+c)^2+b(b^2-c^2)-c(b-c)^2=0$. In fact, a common root is a roots of $(f-g)(x)=(b-c)x-(b+c)$. The condition above is equivalent to this root being a root of $f$, but being also a root of $f-g$, it is equivalent to being a root of $g$ too. This condition is not equivalent to $a+b+c=0$, even when $b,cneq 0$.
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Let $a=2,b=0,c=2$, then $f(x)=2x^2-2, g(x)=2x^2+2x$. It's clear that $-1$ is the common root, but $a+b+c=4neq 0$.






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    It's wrong.



    Try $b=c=0$ and $a=1$.






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      Thanks :) BUT f is not equal to g
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    • @Angelo Mark But $x^2$ and $x^2$ have common root. You can not change the given now. Ask another question.
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    • Okay . Do not worry. I'll mark your answer as the correct one. Thanks. And really sorry that I missed to mention that f and g are not identical
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    • @Angelo Mark This happens. All correct.
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    HINT:



    Vieta's formulas.



    Let the roots of $f$ be $p$ and $q$. Let the roots of $g$ be $p$ and $r$.



    Then $$p+q=-frac ba,quad pq=-frac ca$$ and $$p+r=-frac ca,quad pr=frac ba$$






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      Counterexample: $a=c, b=0$. That is:
      $$f(x)=ax^2+bx-c=ax^2-a=0 Rightarrow x=pm 1;\
      g(x)=ax^2+cx+b=ax^2+ax=0 Rightarrow x=-1;0.$$



      Backwards checking: if $c=-(a+b)$, then:
      $$f(x)= ax^2+bx-c=0 iff ax^2+bx+a+b=0 (1) \
      g(x)=ax^2+cx+b=0 iff ax^2-ax-bx+b=0 iff (x-1)(ax+a-b)=0 (2) $$
      Then, from $(2)$:
      $$x-1=0 stackrel(1)Rightarrow a=-b.\
      ax+a-b=0 Rightarrow x=fracb-aa Rightarrow afrac(b-a)^2a^2+bfracb-aa+a+b=0 Rightarrow a^2+b^2=ab.$$






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        Analysis:



        If $f,g$ has one same root, then it is also a root of $f-g$. Since
        $$
        f(x) - g(x) = (b-c)x -(b+c),
        $$
        then common root should be
        $$
        r = frac b+c b-c quad [b neq c].
        $$
        Plug this into $f(x)$:
        $$
        a (b+c)^2 + b (b+c)(b-c) - c(b-c)^2 =0,
        $$
        which is
        $$
        a(b+c)^2 + b^3 -c^3 +bc^2 -cb^2 =0.
        $$
        Hence
        $$
        a + b + c = frac 1 (b+c)^2 (2c^3 + 4b^2c + 2bc^2) = frac 2c (b+c)^2 (c^2 + 2b^2 + bc).
        $$
        If $c = 0$, and if $bneq 0$, then $a+b + c = 0$. If $c neq 0$ and $b +c neq 0$, then
        $$
        |a +b +c| = frac 2 (b+c)^2 left( left( c+frac b2right)^2 +frac 74 b^2right) > 0.
        $$
        Now a counterexample: take $b=0$, then $a = c $. Pick $a =c =1$, then
        $$
        f(x) = x^2 - 1= (x+1)(x-1),quad g(x)= x^2+x =x(x+1),
        $$
        clearly they have a common root $-1$ but $a+b+c = g(1)=2neq 0$.



        Conclusion: such claim fails.






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          Hint: the roots of $f$ are $x = frac-b pm sqrtb^2 + 4ac2a$. (Why? What happened to the minus sign in the quadratic formula?)



          What are the roots of $g$?



          Now suppose that the first root of $f$ equals the first root of $g$, and three other cases.



          (Yes, that's a very pedestrian way to approach this problem, but it'll get you there.)






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          • Tried this way , but its hard to get the answer
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          • That's why it's an exercise. If it were easy, it'd just be a remark in the textbook. Why don't you show us your work on this approach (use the "edit" button below your question to fill in what you've done), and we can help you proceed. Yeah, it'll mean typing a lot of math...but that's what you're asking us to do, and you're the one getting the benefit, so perhaps you should be doing more of the work.
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          • I did this whole day
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          • Good for you. But we don't know what you've done, because you haven't bothered to show us. Sigh. We're really not here to do your homework for you.
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          Hint 2: An alternative approach is to say that



          $$
          f(x) = a (x - u) (x - v)
          $$
          for some numbers $u$ and $v$ (the roots of $f$), and
          $$
          g(x) = a(x-u) (x - w)
          $$



          (the $u$ is repeated because $f$ and $g$ share a root; it's also possible that $v = w$, but not required by any means.)



          Now if you expand out $f$, you'll find a relation between $b$ and $u, v$, and between $c$ and $u, v$; similarly for $g$. See where that leads you.






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          $$f(x)=ax^2+bx-c$$
          $$g(x)=ax^2+cx+b$$
          for f(x), the roots are given by:
          $$(1),x=frac-b+sqrtb^2+4ac2a textand, x=frac-b-sqrtb^2+4ac2a$$
          for g(x), the roots are given by:
          $$(2),x=frac-c+sqrtc^2-4ab2a textand,x=frac-c-sqrtc^2-4ab2a$$
          since $2a$ is common on the bottom you could remove this then make the two sides equal to each other?






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            If $f(x)=ax^2+bx-c$ and $g(x)=ax^2+cx+b$ have a common root , show that $a+b+c=0$.




            The statement is false, as pointed out in several answers already.



            The problem most likely has a typo, however, and the following statement is in fact true:




            If $b ne c$, then $f(x)=ax^2+bx colorred+c$ and $g(x)=ax^2+cx+b$ have a common root iff $a+b+c=0$.




            The proof follows immediately by subtracting the two equations, which gives $,(b-c)(x-1)=0,$, therefore the common root must be $,x=1,$.






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              Your problem is WRONG.



              Let $a=2,b=0,c=2$, then $f(x)=2x^2-2, g(x)=2x^2+2x$. It's clear that $-1$ is the common root, but $a+b+c=4neq 0$.






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                Your problem is WRONG.



                Let $a=2,b=0,c=2$, then $f(x)=2x^2-2, g(x)=2x^2+2x$. It's clear that $-1$ is the common root, but $a+b+c=4neq 0$.






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                  Your problem is WRONG.



                  Let $a=2,b=0,c=2$, then $f(x)=2x^2-2, g(x)=2x^2+2x$. It's clear that $-1$ is the common root, but $a+b+c=4neq 0$.






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                  Your problem is WRONG.



                  Let $a=2,b=0,c=2$, then $f(x)=2x^2-2, g(x)=2x^2+2x$. It's clear that $-1$ is the common root, but $a+b+c=4neq 0$.







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                      It's wrong.



                      Try $b=c=0$ and $a=1$.






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                        Thanks :) BUT f is not equal to g
                        – Angelo Mark
                        15 hours ago










                      • @Angelo Mark But $x^2$ and $x^2$ have common root. You can not change the given now. Ask another question.
                        – Michael Rozenberg
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                      • Okay . Do not worry. I'll mark your answer as the correct one. Thanks. And really sorry that I missed to mention that f and g are not identical
                        – Angelo Mark
                        15 hours ago










                      • @Angelo Mark This happens. All correct.
                        – Michael Rozenberg
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                      • Why someone down voted?
                        – Michael Rozenberg
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                      It's wrong.



                      Try $b=c=0$ and $a=1$.






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                        Thanks :) BUT f is not equal to g
                        – Angelo Mark
                        15 hours ago










                      • @Angelo Mark But $x^2$ and $x^2$ have common root. You can not change the given now. Ask another question.
                        – Michael Rozenberg
                        15 hours ago











                      • Okay . Do not worry. I'll mark your answer as the correct one. Thanks. And really sorry that I missed to mention that f and g are not identical
                        – Angelo Mark
                        15 hours ago










                      • @Angelo Mark This happens. All correct.
                        – Michael Rozenberg
                        15 hours ago










                      • Why someone down voted?
                        – Michael Rozenberg
                        14 hours ago












                      up vote
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                      It's wrong.



                      Try $b=c=0$ and $a=1$.






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                      It's wrong.



                      Try $b=c=0$ and $a=1$.







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                        Thanks :) BUT f is not equal to g
                        – Angelo Mark
                        15 hours ago










                      • @Angelo Mark But $x^2$ and $x^2$ have common root. You can not change the given now. Ask another question.
                        – Michael Rozenberg
                        15 hours ago











                      • Okay . Do not worry. I'll mark your answer as the correct one. Thanks. And really sorry that I missed to mention that f and g are not identical
                        – Angelo Mark
                        15 hours ago










                      • @Angelo Mark This happens. All correct.
                        – Michael Rozenberg
                        15 hours ago










                      • Why someone down voted?
                        – Michael Rozenberg
                        14 hours ago












                      • 1




                        Thanks :) BUT f is not equal to g
                        – Angelo Mark
                        15 hours ago










                      • @Angelo Mark But $x^2$ and $x^2$ have common root. You can not change the given now. Ask another question.
                        – Michael Rozenberg
                        15 hours ago











                      • Okay . Do not worry. I'll mark your answer as the correct one. Thanks. And really sorry that I missed to mention that f and g are not identical
                        – Angelo Mark
                        15 hours ago










                      • @Angelo Mark This happens. All correct.
                        – Michael Rozenberg
                        15 hours ago










                      • Why someone down voted?
                        – Michael Rozenberg
                        14 hours ago







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                      1




                      Thanks :) BUT f is not equal to g
                      – Angelo Mark
                      15 hours ago




                      Thanks :) BUT f is not equal to g
                      – Angelo Mark
                      15 hours ago












                      @Angelo Mark But $x^2$ and $x^2$ have common root. You can not change the given now. Ask another question.
                      – Michael Rozenberg
                      15 hours ago





                      @Angelo Mark But $x^2$ and $x^2$ have common root. You can not change the given now. Ask another question.
                      – Michael Rozenberg
                      15 hours ago













                      Okay . Do not worry. I'll mark your answer as the correct one. Thanks. And really sorry that I missed to mention that f and g are not identical
                      – Angelo Mark
                      15 hours ago




                      Okay . Do not worry. I'll mark your answer as the correct one. Thanks. And really sorry that I missed to mention that f and g are not identical
                      – Angelo Mark
                      15 hours ago












                      @Angelo Mark This happens. All correct.
                      – Michael Rozenberg
                      15 hours ago




                      @Angelo Mark This happens. All correct.
                      – Michael Rozenberg
                      15 hours ago












                      Why someone down voted?
                      – Michael Rozenberg
                      14 hours ago




                      Why someone down voted?
                      – Michael Rozenberg
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                      HINT:



                      Vieta's formulas.



                      Let the roots of $f$ be $p$ and $q$. Let the roots of $g$ be $p$ and $r$.



                      Then $$p+q=-frac ba,quad pq=-frac ca$$ and $$p+r=-frac ca,quad pr=frac ba$$






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                        HINT:



                        Vieta's formulas.



                        Let the roots of $f$ be $p$ and $q$. Let the roots of $g$ be $p$ and $r$.



                        Then $$p+q=-frac ba,quad pq=-frac ca$$ and $$p+r=-frac ca,quad pr=frac ba$$






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                          HINT:



                          Vieta's formulas.



                          Let the roots of $f$ be $p$ and $q$. Let the roots of $g$ be $p$ and $r$.



                          Then $$p+q=-frac ba,quad pq=-frac ca$$ and $$p+r=-frac ca,quad pr=frac ba$$






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                          HINT:



                          Vieta's formulas.



                          Let the roots of $f$ be $p$ and $q$. Let the roots of $g$ be $p$ and $r$.



                          Then $$p+q=-frac ba,quad pq=-frac ca$$ and $$p+r=-frac ca,quad pr=frac ba$$







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                              Counterexample: $a=c, b=0$. That is:
                              $$f(x)=ax^2+bx-c=ax^2-a=0 Rightarrow x=pm 1;\
                              g(x)=ax^2+cx+b=ax^2+ax=0 Rightarrow x=-1;0.$$



                              Backwards checking: if $c=-(a+b)$, then:
                              $$f(x)= ax^2+bx-c=0 iff ax^2+bx+a+b=0 (1) \
                              g(x)=ax^2+cx+b=0 iff ax^2-ax-bx+b=0 iff (x-1)(ax+a-b)=0 (2) $$
                              Then, from $(2)$:
                              $$x-1=0 stackrel(1)Rightarrow a=-b.\
                              ax+a-b=0 Rightarrow x=fracb-aa Rightarrow afrac(b-a)^2a^2+bfracb-aa+a+b=0 Rightarrow a^2+b^2=ab.$$






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                                Counterexample: $a=c, b=0$. That is:
                                $$f(x)=ax^2+bx-c=ax^2-a=0 Rightarrow x=pm 1;\
                                g(x)=ax^2+cx+b=ax^2+ax=0 Rightarrow x=-1;0.$$



                                Backwards checking: if $c=-(a+b)$, then:
                                $$f(x)= ax^2+bx-c=0 iff ax^2+bx+a+b=0 (1) \
                                g(x)=ax^2+cx+b=0 iff ax^2-ax-bx+b=0 iff (x-1)(ax+a-b)=0 (2) $$
                                Then, from $(2)$:
                                $$x-1=0 stackrel(1)Rightarrow a=-b.\
                                ax+a-b=0 Rightarrow x=fracb-aa Rightarrow afrac(b-a)^2a^2+bfracb-aa+a+b=0 Rightarrow a^2+b^2=ab.$$






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                                  Counterexample: $a=c, b=0$. That is:
                                  $$f(x)=ax^2+bx-c=ax^2-a=0 Rightarrow x=pm 1;\
                                  g(x)=ax^2+cx+b=ax^2+ax=0 Rightarrow x=-1;0.$$



                                  Backwards checking: if $c=-(a+b)$, then:
                                  $$f(x)= ax^2+bx-c=0 iff ax^2+bx+a+b=0 (1) \
                                  g(x)=ax^2+cx+b=0 iff ax^2-ax-bx+b=0 iff (x-1)(ax+a-b)=0 (2) $$
                                  Then, from $(2)$:
                                  $$x-1=0 stackrel(1)Rightarrow a=-b.\
                                  ax+a-b=0 Rightarrow x=fracb-aa Rightarrow afrac(b-a)^2a^2+bfracb-aa+a+b=0 Rightarrow a^2+b^2=ab.$$






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                                  Counterexample: $a=c, b=0$. That is:
                                  $$f(x)=ax^2+bx-c=ax^2-a=0 Rightarrow x=pm 1;\
                                  g(x)=ax^2+cx+b=ax^2+ax=0 Rightarrow x=-1;0.$$



                                  Backwards checking: if $c=-(a+b)$, then:
                                  $$f(x)= ax^2+bx-c=0 iff ax^2+bx+a+b=0 (1) \
                                  g(x)=ax^2+cx+b=0 iff ax^2-ax-bx+b=0 iff (x-1)(ax+a-b)=0 (2) $$
                                  Then, from $(2)$:
                                  $$x-1=0 stackrel(1)Rightarrow a=-b.\
                                  ax+a-b=0 Rightarrow x=fracb-aa Rightarrow afrac(b-a)^2a^2+bfracb-aa+a+b=0 Rightarrow a^2+b^2=ab.$$







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                                      Analysis:



                                      If $f,g$ has one same root, then it is also a root of $f-g$. Since
                                      $$
                                      f(x) - g(x) = (b-c)x -(b+c),
                                      $$
                                      then common root should be
                                      $$
                                      r = frac b+c b-c quad [b neq c].
                                      $$
                                      Plug this into $f(x)$:
                                      $$
                                      a (b+c)^2 + b (b+c)(b-c) - c(b-c)^2 =0,
                                      $$
                                      which is
                                      $$
                                      a(b+c)^2 + b^3 -c^3 +bc^2 -cb^2 =0.
                                      $$
                                      Hence
                                      $$
                                      a + b + c = frac 1 (b+c)^2 (2c^3 + 4b^2c + 2bc^2) = frac 2c (b+c)^2 (c^2 + 2b^2 + bc).
                                      $$
                                      If $c = 0$, and if $bneq 0$, then $a+b + c = 0$. If $c neq 0$ and $b +c neq 0$, then
                                      $$
                                      |a +b +c| = frac 2 (b+c)^2 left( left( c+frac b2right)^2 +frac 74 b^2right) > 0.
                                      $$
                                      Now a counterexample: take $b=0$, then $a = c $. Pick $a =c =1$, then
                                      $$
                                      f(x) = x^2 - 1= (x+1)(x-1),quad g(x)= x^2+x =x(x+1),
                                      $$
                                      clearly they have a common root $-1$ but $a+b+c = g(1)=2neq 0$.



                                      Conclusion: such claim fails.






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                                        Analysis:



                                        If $f,g$ has one same root, then it is also a root of $f-g$. Since
                                        $$
                                        f(x) - g(x) = (b-c)x -(b+c),
                                        $$
                                        then common root should be
                                        $$
                                        r = frac b+c b-c quad [b neq c].
                                        $$
                                        Plug this into $f(x)$:
                                        $$
                                        a (b+c)^2 + b (b+c)(b-c) - c(b-c)^2 =0,
                                        $$
                                        which is
                                        $$
                                        a(b+c)^2 + b^3 -c^3 +bc^2 -cb^2 =0.
                                        $$
                                        Hence
                                        $$
                                        a + b + c = frac 1 (b+c)^2 (2c^3 + 4b^2c + 2bc^2) = frac 2c (b+c)^2 (c^2 + 2b^2 + bc).
                                        $$
                                        If $c = 0$, and if $bneq 0$, then $a+b + c = 0$. If $c neq 0$ and $b +c neq 0$, then
                                        $$
                                        |a +b +c| = frac 2 (b+c)^2 left( left( c+frac b2right)^2 +frac 74 b^2right) > 0.
                                        $$
                                        Now a counterexample: take $b=0$, then $a = c $. Pick $a =c =1$, then
                                        $$
                                        f(x) = x^2 - 1= (x+1)(x-1),quad g(x)= x^2+x =x(x+1),
                                        $$
                                        clearly they have a common root $-1$ but $a+b+c = g(1)=2neq 0$.



                                        Conclusion: such claim fails.






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                                          Analysis:



                                          If $f,g$ has one same root, then it is also a root of $f-g$. Since
                                          $$
                                          f(x) - g(x) = (b-c)x -(b+c),
                                          $$
                                          then common root should be
                                          $$
                                          r = frac b+c b-c quad [b neq c].
                                          $$
                                          Plug this into $f(x)$:
                                          $$
                                          a (b+c)^2 + b (b+c)(b-c) - c(b-c)^2 =0,
                                          $$
                                          which is
                                          $$
                                          a(b+c)^2 + b^3 -c^3 +bc^2 -cb^2 =0.
                                          $$
                                          Hence
                                          $$
                                          a + b + c = frac 1 (b+c)^2 (2c^3 + 4b^2c + 2bc^2) = frac 2c (b+c)^2 (c^2 + 2b^2 + bc).
                                          $$
                                          If $c = 0$, and if $bneq 0$, then $a+b + c = 0$. If $c neq 0$ and $b +c neq 0$, then
                                          $$
                                          |a +b +c| = frac 2 (b+c)^2 left( left( c+frac b2right)^2 +frac 74 b^2right) > 0.
                                          $$
                                          Now a counterexample: take $b=0$, then $a = c $. Pick $a =c =1$, then
                                          $$
                                          f(x) = x^2 - 1= (x+1)(x-1),quad g(x)= x^2+x =x(x+1),
                                          $$
                                          clearly they have a common root $-1$ but $a+b+c = g(1)=2neq 0$.



                                          Conclusion: such claim fails.






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                                          Analysis:



                                          If $f,g$ has one same root, then it is also a root of $f-g$. Since
                                          $$
                                          f(x) - g(x) = (b-c)x -(b+c),
                                          $$
                                          then common root should be
                                          $$
                                          r = frac b+c b-c quad [b neq c].
                                          $$
                                          Plug this into $f(x)$:
                                          $$
                                          a (b+c)^2 + b (b+c)(b-c) - c(b-c)^2 =0,
                                          $$
                                          which is
                                          $$
                                          a(b+c)^2 + b^3 -c^3 +bc^2 -cb^2 =0.
                                          $$
                                          Hence
                                          $$
                                          a + b + c = frac 1 (b+c)^2 (2c^3 + 4b^2c + 2bc^2) = frac 2c (b+c)^2 (c^2 + 2b^2 + bc).
                                          $$
                                          If $c = 0$, and if $bneq 0$, then $a+b + c = 0$. If $c neq 0$ and $b +c neq 0$, then
                                          $$
                                          |a +b +c| = frac 2 (b+c)^2 left( left( c+frac b2right)^2 +frac 74 b^2right) > 0.
                                          $$
                                          Now a counterexample: take $b=0$, then $a = c $. Pick $a =c =1$, then
                                          $$
                                          f(x) = x^2 - 1= (x+1)(x-1),quad g(x)= x^2+x =x(x+1),
                                          $$
                                          clearly they have a common root $-1$ but $a+b+c = g(1)=2neq 0$.



                                          Conclusion: such claim fails.







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                                              Hint: the roots of $f$ are $x = frac-b pm sqrtb^2 + 4ac2a$. (Why? What happened to the minus sign in the quadratic formula?)



                                              What are the roots of $g$?



                                              Now suppose that the first root of $f$ equals the first root of $g$, and three other cases.



                                              (Yes, that's a very pedestrian way to approach this problem, but it'll get you there.)






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                                              • Tried this way , but its hard to get the answer
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                                              • That's why it's an exercise. If it were easy, it'd just be a remark in the textbook. Why don't you show us your work on this approach (use the "edit" button below your question to fill in what you've done), and we can help you proceed. Yeah, it'll mean typing a lot of math...but that's what you're asking us to do, and you're the one getting the benefit, so perhaps you should be doing more of the work.
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                                              • I did this whole day
                                                – Angelo Mark
                                                15 hours ago










                                              • Good for you. But we don't know what you've done, because you haven't bothered to show us. Sigh. We're really not here to do your homework for you.
                                                – John Hughes
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                                              Hint: the roots of $f$ are $x = frac-b pm sqrtb^2 + 4ac2a$. (Why? What happened to the minus sign in the quadratic formula?)



                                              What are the roots of $g$?



                                              Now suppose that the first root of $f$ equals the first root of $g$, and three other cases.



                                              (Yes, that's a very pedestrian way to approach this problem, but it'll get you there.)






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                                              • Tried this way , but its hard to get the answer
                                                – Angelo Mark
                                                15 hours ago










                                              • That's why it's an exercise. If it were easy, it'd just be a remark in the textbook. Why don't you show us your work on this approach (use the "edit" button below your question to fill in what you've done), and we can help you proceed. Yeah, it'll mean typing a lot of math...but that's what you're asking us to do, and you're the one getting the benefit, so perhaps you should be doing more of the work.
                                                – John Hughes
                                                15 hours ago











                                              • I did this whole day
                                                – Angelo Mark
                                                15 hours ago










                                              • Good for you. But we don't know what you've done, because you haven't bothered to show us. Sigh. We're really not here to do your homework for you.
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                                              Hint: the roots of $f$ are $x = frac-b pm sqrtb^2 + 4ac2a$. (Why? What happened to the minus sign in the quadratic formula?)



                                              What are the roots of $g$?



                                              Now suppose that the first root of $f$ equals the first root of $g$, and three other cases.



                                              (Yes, that's a very pedestrian way to approach this problem, but it'll get you there.)






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                                              Hint: the roots of $f$ are $x = frac-b pm sqrtb^2 + 4ac2a$. (Why? What happened to the minus sign in the quadratic formula?)



                                              What are the roots of $g$?



                                              Now suppose that the first root of $f$ equals the first root of $g$, and three other cases.



                                              (Yes, that's a very pedestrian way to approach this problem, but it'll get you there.)







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                                              • Tried this way , but its hard to get the answer
                                                – Angelo Mark
                                                15 hours ago










                                              • That's why it's an exercise. If it were easy, it'd just be a remark in the textbook. Why don't you show us your work on this approach (use the "edit" button below your question to fill in what you've done), and we can help you proceed. Yeah, it'll mean typing a lot of math...but that's what you're asking us to do, and you're the one getting the benefit, so perhaps you should be doing more of the work.
                                                – John Hughes
                                                15 hours ago











                                              • I did this whole day
                                                – Angelo Mark
                                                15 hours ago










                                              • Good for you. But we don't know what you've done, because you haven't bothered to show us. Sigh. We're really not here to do your homework for you.
                                                – John Hughes
                                                15 hours ago
















                                              • Tried this way , but its hard to get the answer
                                                – Angelo Mark
                                                15 hours ago










                                              • That's why it's an exercise. If it were easy, it'd just be a remark in the textbook. Why don't you show us your work on this approach (use the "edit" button below your question to fill in what you've done), and we can help you proceed. Yeah, it'll mean typing a lot of math...but that's what you're asking us to do, and you're the one getting the benefit, so perhaps you should be doing more of the work.
                                                – John Hughes
                                                15 hours ago











                                              • I did this whole day
                                                – Angelo Mark
                                                15 hours ago










                                              • Good for you. But we don't know what you've done, because you haven't bothered to show us. Sigh. We're really not here to do your homework for you.
                                                – John Hughes
                                                15 hours ago















                                              Tried this way , but its hard to get the answer
                                              – Angelo Mark
                                              15 hours ago




                                              Tried this way , but its hard to get the answer
                                              – Angelo Mark
                                              15 hours ago












                                              That's why it's an exercise. If it were easy, it'd just be a remark in the textbook. Why don't you show us your work on this approach (use the "edit" button below your question to fill in what you've done), and we can help you proceed. Yeah, it'll mean typing a lot of math...but that's what you're asking us to do, and you're the one getting the benefit, so perhaps you should be doing more of the work.
                                              – John Hughes
                                              15 hours ago





                                              That's why it's an exercise. If it were easy, it'd just be a remark in the textbook. Why don't you show us your work on this approach (use the "edit" button below your question to fill in what you've done), and we can help you proceed. Yeah, it'll mean typing a lot of math...but that's what you're asking us to do, and you're the one getting the benefit, so perhaps you should be doing more of the work.
                                              – John Hughes
                                              15 hours ago













                                              I did this whole day
                                              – Angelo Mark
                                              15 hours ago




                                              I did this whole day
                                              – Angelo Mark
                                              15 hours ago












                                              Good for you. But we don't know what you've done, because you haven't bothered to show us. Sigh. We're really not here to do your homework for you.
                                              – John Hughes
                                              15 hours ago




                                              Good for you. But we don't know what you've done, because you haven't bothered to show us. Sigh. We're really not here to do your homework for you.
                                              – John Hughes
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                                              Hint 2: An alternative approach is to say that



                                              $$
                                              f(x) = a (x - u) (x - v)
                                              $$
                                              for some numbers $u$ and $v$ (the roots of $f$), and
                                              $$
                                              g(x) = a(x-u) (x - w)
                                              $$



                                              (the $u$ is repeated because $f$ and $g$ share a root; it's also possible that $v = w$, but not required by any means.)



                                              Now if you expand out $f$, you'll find a relation between $b$ and $u, v$, and between $c$ and $u, v$; similarly for $g$. See where that leads you.






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                                              Hint 2: An alternative approach is to say that



                                              $$
                                              f(x) = a (x - u) (x - v)
                                              $$
                                              for some numbers $u$ and $v$ (the roots of $f$), and
                                              $$
                                              g(x) = a(x-u) (x - w)
                                              $$



                                              (the $u$ is repeated because $f$ and $g$ share a root; it's also possible that $v = w$, but not required by any means.)



                                              Now if you expand out $f$, you'll find a relation between $b$ and $u, v$, and between $c$ and $u, v$; similarly for $g$. See where that leads you.






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                                              Hint 2: An alternative approach is to say that



                                              $$
                                              f(x) = a (x - u) (x - v)
                                              $$
                                              for some numbers $u$ and $v$ (the roots of $f$), and
                                              $$
                                              g(x) = a(x-u) (x - w)
                                              $$



                                              (the $u$ is repeated because $f$ and $g$ share a root; it's also possible that $v = w$, but not required by any means.)



                                              Now if you expand out $f$, you'll find a relation between $b$ and $u, v$, and between $c$ and $u, v$; similarly for $g$. See where that leads you.






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                                              Hint 2: An alternative approach is to say that



                                              $$
                                              f(x) = a (x - u) (x - v)
                                              $$
                                              for some numbers $u$ and $v$ (the roots of $f$), and
                                              $$
                                              g(x) = a(x-u) (x - w)
                                              $$



                                              (the $u$ is repeated because $f$ and $g$ share a root; it's also possible that $v = w$, but not required by any means.)



                                              Now if you expand out $f$, you'll find a relation between $b$ and $u, v$, and between $c$ and $u, v$; similarly for $g$. See where that leads you.







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                                              • did it but leads to the same place where I got stuck
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                                              • did it but leads to the same place where I got stuck
                                                – Angelo Mark
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                                              did it but leads to the same place where I got stuck
                                              – Angelo Mark
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                                              did it but leads to the same place where I got stuck
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                                              $$f(x)=ax^2+bx-c$$
                                              $$g(x)=ax^2+cx+b$$
                                              for f(x), the roots are given by:
                                              $$(1),x=frac-b+sqrtb^2+4ac2a textand, x=frac-b-sqrtb^2+4ac2a$$
                                              for g(x), the roots are given by:
                                              $$(2),x=frac-c+sqrtc^2-4ab2a textand,x=frac-c-sqrtc^2-4ab2a$$
                                              since $2a$ is common on the bottom you could remove this then make the two sides equal to each other?






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                                                $$f(x)=ax^2+bx-c$$
                                                $$g(x)=ax^2+cx+b$$
                                                for f(x), the roots are given by:
                                                $$(1),x=frac-b+sqrtb^2+4ac2a textand, x=frac-b-sqrtb^2+4ac2a$$
                                                for g(x), the roots are given by:
                                                $$(2),x=frac-c+sqrtc^2-4ab2a textand,x=frac-c-sqrtc^2-4ab2a$$
                                                since $2a$ is common on the bottom you could remove this then make the two sides equal to each other?






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                                                  $$f(x)=ax^2+bx-c$$
                                                  $$g(x)=ax^2+cx+b$$
                                                  for f(x), the roots are given by:
                                                  $$(1),x=frac-b+sqrtb^2+4ac2a textand, x=frac-b-sqrtb^2+4ac2a$$
                                                  for g(x), the roots are given by:
                                                  $$(2),x=frac-c+sqrtc^2-4ab2a textand,x=frac-c-sqrtc^2-4ab2a$$
                                                  since $2a$ is common on the bottom you could remove this then make the two sides equal to each other?






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                                                  $$f(x)=ax^2+bx-c$$
                                                  $$g(x)=ax^2+cx+b$$
                                                  for f(x), the roots are given by:
                                                  $$(1),x=frac-b+sqrtb^2+4ac2a textand, x=frac-b-sqrtb^2+4ac2a$$
                                                  for g(x), the roots are given by:
                                                  $$(2),x=frac-c+sqrtc^2-4ab2a textand,x=frac-c-sqrtc^2-4ab2a$$
                                                  since $2a$ is common on the bottom you could remove this then make the two sides equal to each other?







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                                                      If $f(x)=ax^2+bx-c$ and $g(x)=ax^2+cx+b$ have a common root , show that $a+b+c=0$.




                                                      The statement is false, as pointed out in several answers already.



                                                      The problem most likely has a typo, however, and the following statement is in fact true:




                                                      If $b ne c$, then $f(x)=ax^2+bx colorred+c$ and $g(x)=ax^2+cx+b$ have a common root iff $a+b+c=0$.




                                                      The proof follows immediately by subtracting the two equations, which gives $,(b-c)(x-1)=0,$, therefore the common root must be $,x=1,$.






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                                                        If $f(x)=ax^2+bx-c$ and $g(x)=ax^2+cx+b$ have a common root , show that $a+b+c=0$.




                                                        The statement is false, as pointed out in several answers already.



                                                        The problem most likely has a typo, however, and the following statement is in fact true:




                                                        If $b ne c$, then $f(x)=ax^2+bx colorred+c$ and $g(x)=ax^2+cx+b$ have a common root iff $a+b+c=0$.




                                                        The proof follows immediately by subtracting the two equations, which gives $,(b-c)(x-1)=0,$, therefore the common root must be $,x=1,$.






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                                                          If $f(x)=ax^2+bx-c$ and $g(x)=ax^2+cx+b$ have a common root , show that $a+b+c=0$.




                                                          The statement is false, as pointed out in several answers already.



                                                          The problem most likely has a typo, however, and the following statement is in fact true:




                                                          If $b ne c$, then $f(x)=ax^2+bx colorred+c$ and $g(x)=ax^2+cx+b$ have a common root iff $a+b+c=0$.




                                                          The proof follows immediately by subtracting the two equations, which gives $,(b-c)(x-1)=0,$, therefore the common root must be $,x=1,$.






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                                                          If $f(x)=ax^2+bx-c$ and $g(x)=ax^2+cx+b$ have a common root , show that $a+b+c=0$.




                                                          The statement is false, as pointed out in several answers already.



                                                          The problem most likely has a typo, however, and the following statement is in fact true:




                                                          If $b ne c$, then $f(x)=ax^2+bx colorred+c$ and $g(x)=ax^2+cx+b$ have a common root iff $a+b+c=0$.




                                                          The proof follows immediately by subtracting the two equations, which gives $,(b-c)(x-1)=0,$, therefore the common root must be $,x=1,$.







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