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Every now and then I volunteer for an association, organizing big role play events in my country (by big I mean several days with between several hundred people, so nothing at the national scale, but big enough nonetheless).

There I act as one of many game masters, creating the game to entertain people,... but I'm also meant to make people apply the rules whenever I can, be sure there are no cheaters etc...

The association has a responsibility towards the players somehow, and even though as a volunteer I risk nothing (legally speaking) if rules are not respected, it's part of our duty to make sure everyone is safe, and to some extent that the law is applied. I'm not there to play the police, yet I can't let people commit small (or not-so-small) crimes without doing anything, because the association might suffer from it.

This year, I eavesdropped a little while waiting for someone, and heard people talking about what they were smoking. They were absolutely not trying to hide they were having fun with good old cannabis, and to the smell of it, indeed it was drugs they were smoking.

Here lies my problem. Smoking this is forbidden in my country. If many people are doing it, it will be very bad press for the event. Moreover, I'm talking about an event with childrens of all ages, pregnant women sometimes etc... thus people who must not be impacted by passive smoking from this drug.

So, I think I should step in and stop these people from taking drugs, right? But here comes the tricky part. It is a well known fact in my country that a large majority, especially for people of my age, is in favor of the decriminalization of cannabis. So, should I step in and stop this, I can be a hundred percent sure a lot of people will see it very negatively.

I was told in such case I could ask people to stop smoking, and in case of repeated offence, to seize their "cigarette", or even exclude them from the area of play (which is a private property rented by the association).

My problem is: I have a duty to perform, yet I'm absolutely not a member of law enforcement, thus the only authority I got comes from the respect players have for their game master. Nothing more.

How can I approach these people to stop smoking drugs in the event area without causing a drama?

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  You say smokig weed is forbidden in your country and people is pushing to make it legal... but what about the events? is smoking "in general" allowed or forbidden in those events?
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  @JoshPart smoking is legal at the event yes, it is in open ground so no trouble with smoking something else.
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  @littlefeltfangs I don't know the public stance at all. My senior friend, who's been volunteering for a longer time told me it is forbbiden, and shouldn't happen during the event. Yet that's not the same thing as a formal declaration on the event website
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Every now and then I volunteer for an association, organizing big role play events in my country (by big I mean several days with between several hundred people, so nothing at the national scale, but big enough nonetheless).

There I act as one of many game masters, creating the game to entertain people,... but I'm also meant to make people apply the rules whenever I can, be sure there are no cheaters etc...

The association has a responsibility towards the players somehow, and even though as a volunteer I risk nothing (legally speaking) if rules are not respected, it's part of our duty to make sure everyone is safe, and to some extent that the law is applied. I'm not there to play the police, yet I can't let people commit small (or not-so-small) crimes without doing anything, because the association might suffer from it.

This year, I eavesdropped a little while waiting for someone, and heard people talking about what they were smoking. They were absolutely not trying to hide they were having fun with good old cannabis, and to the smell of it, indeed it was drugs they were smoking.

Here lies my problem. Smoking this is forbidden in my country. If many people are doing it, it will be very bad press for the event. Moreover, I'm talking about an event with childrens of all ages, pregnant women sometimes etc... thus people who must not be impacted by passive smoking from this drug.

So, I think I should step in and stop these people from taking drugs, right? But here comes the tricky part. It is a well known fact in my country that a large majority, especially for people of my age, is in favor of the decriminalization of cannabis. So, should I step in and stop this, I can be a hundred percent sure a lot of people will see it very negatively.

I was told in such case I could ask people to stop smoking, and in case of repeated offence, to seize their "cigarette", or even exclude them from the area of play (which is a private property rented by the association).

My problem is: I have a duty to perform, yet I'm absolutely not a member of law enforcement, thus the only authority I got comes from the respect players have for their game master. Nothing more.

How can I approach these people to stop smoking drugs in the event area without causing a drama?

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  You say smokig weed is forbidden in your country and people is pushing to make it legal... but what about the events? is smoking "in general" allowed or forbidden in those events?
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  @JoshPart smoking is legal at the event yes, it is in open ground so no trouble with smoking something else.
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  @littlefeltfangs I don't know the public stance at all. My senior friend, who's been volunteering for a longer time told me it is forbbiden, and shouldn't happen during the event. Yet that's not the same thing as a formal declaration on the event website
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Every now and then I volunteer for an association, organizing big role play events in my country (by big I mean several days with between several hundred people, so nothing at the national scale, but big enough nonetheless).

There I act as one of many game masters, creating the game to entertain people,... but I'm also meant to make people apply the rules whenever I can, be sure there are no cheaters etc...

The association has a responsibility towards the players somehow, and even though as a volunteer I risk nothing (legally speaking) if rules are not respected, it's part of our duty to make sure everyone is safe, and to some extent that the law is applied. I'm not there to play the police, yet I can't let people commit small (or not-so-small) crimes without doing anything, because the association might suffer from it.

This year, I eavesdropped a little while waiting for someone, and heard people talking about what they were smoking. They were absolutely not trying to hide they were having fun with good old cannabis, and to the smell of it, indeed it was drugs they were smoking.

Here lies my problem. Smoking this is forbidden in my country. If many people are doing it, it will be very bad press for the event. Moreover, I'm talking about an event with childrens of all ages, pregnant women sometimes etc... thus people who must not be impacted by passive smoking from this drug.

So, I think I should step in and stop these people from taking drugs, right? But here comes the tricky part. It is a well known fact in my country that a large majority, especially for people of my age, is in favor of the decriminalization of cannabis. So, should I step in and stop this, I can be a hundred percent sure a lot of people will see it very negatively.

I was told in such case I could ask people to stop smoking, and in case of repeated offence, to seize their "cigarette", or even exclude them from the area of play (which is a private property rented by the association).

My problem is: I have a duty to perform, yet I'm absolutely not a member of law enforcement, thus the only authority I got comes from the respect players have for their game master. Nothing more.

How can I approach these people to stop smoking drugs in the event area without causing a drama?

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Every now and then I volunteer for an association, organizing big role play events in my country (by big I mean several days with between several hundred people, so nothing at the national scale, but big enough nonetheless).

There I act as one of many game masters, creating the game to entertain people,... but I'm also meant to make people apply the rules whenever I can, be sure there are no cheaters etc...

The association has a responsibility towards the players somehow, and even though as a volunteer I risk nothing (legally speaking) if rules are not respected, it's part of our duty to make sure everyone is safe, and to some extent that the law is applied. I'm not there to play the police, yet I can't let people commit small (or not-so-small) crimes without doing anything, because the association might suffer from it.

This year, I eavesdropped a little while waiting for someone, and heard people talking about what they were smoking. They were absolutely not trying to hide they were having fun with good old cannabis, and to the smell of it, indeed it was drugs they were smoking.

Here lies my problem. Smoking this is forbidden in my country. If many people are doing it, it will be very bad press for the event. Moreover, I'm talking about an event with childrens of all ages, pregnant women sometimes etc... thus people who must not be impacted by passive smoking from this drug.

So, I think I should step in and stop these people from taking drugs, right? But here comes the tricky part. It is a well known fact in my country that a large majority, especially for people of my age, is in favor of the decriminalization of cannabis. So, should I step in and stop this, I can be a hundred percent sure a lot of people will see it very negatively.

I was told in such case I could ask people to stop smoking, and in case of repeated offence, to seize their "cigarette", or even exclude them from the area of play (which is a private property rented by the association).

My problem is: I have a duty to perform, yet I'm absolutely not a member of law enforcement, thus the only authority I got comes from the respect players have for their game master. Nothing more.

How can I approach these people to stop smoking drugs in the event area without causing a drama?

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  You say smokig weed is forbidden in your country and people is pushing to make it legal... but what about the events? is smoking "in general" allowed or forbidden in those events?
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  Does your association have a public stance on this? Whether you have the support of the event organisers makes a difference on how/if you should attempt to handle this.
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  @JoshPart smoking is legal at the event yes, it is in open ground so no trouble with smoking something else.
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  @littlefeltfangs I don't know the public stance at all. My senior friend, who's been volunteering for a longer time told me it is forbbiden, and shouldn't happen during the event. Yet that's not the same thing as a formal declaration on the event website
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  Inhaling tobacco smoke is at least as damaging to your risk groups as cannabis smoke. (I try to avoid both of it.)
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  You say smokig weed is forbidden in your country and people is pushing to make it legal... but what about the events? is smoking "in general" allowed or forbidden in those events?
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  Does your association have a public stance on this? Whether you have the support of the event organisers makes a difference on how/if you should attempt to handle this.
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  @JoshPart smoking is legal at the event yes, it is in open ground so no trouble with smoking something else.
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  @littlefeltfangs I don't know the public stance at all. My senior friend, who's been volunteering for a longer time told me it is forbbiden, and shouldn't happen during the event. Yet that's not the same thing as a formal declaration on the event website
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  Inhaling tobacco smoke is at least as damaging to your risk groups as cannabis smoke. (I try to avoid both of it.)
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You say smokig weed is forbidden in your country and people is pushing to make it legal... but what about the events? is smoking "in general" allowed or forbidden in those events?
– Josh Part
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You say smokig weed is forbidden in your country and people is pushing to make it legal... but what about the events? is smoking "in general" allowed or forbidden in those events?
– Josh Part
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Does your association have a public stance on this? Whether you have the support of the event organisers makes a difference on how/if you should attempt to handle this.
– littlefeltfangs
2 days ago

Does your association have a public stance on this? Whether you have the support of the event organisers makes a difference on how/if you should attempt to handle this.
– littlefeltfangs
2 days ago

@JoshPart smoking is legal at the event yes, it is in open ground so no trouble with smoking something else.
– Kaël
yesterday

@JoshPart smoking is legal at the event yes, it is in open ground so no trouble with smoking something else.
– Kaël
yesterday

@littlefeltfangs I don't know the public stance at all. My senior friend, who's been volunteering for a longer time told me it is forbbiden, and shouldn't happen during the event. Yet that's not the same thing as a formal declaration on the event website
– Kaël
yesterday

@littlefeltfangs I don't know the public stance at all. My senior friend, who's been volunteering for a longer time told me it is forbbiden, and shouldn't happen during the event. Yet that's not the same thing as a formal declaration on the event website
– Kaël
yesterday

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Inhaling tobacco smoke is at least as damaging to your risk groups as cannabis smoke. (I try to avoid both of it.)
– PaÅ­lo Ebermann
yesterday

Inhaling tobacco smoke is at least as damaging to your risk groups as cannabis smoke. (I try to avoid both of it.)
– PaÅ­lo Ebermann
yesterday

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Something that I found very effective when attending music festivals, and even while helping out as a doorman at a local club when I was younger, was a simple request for discretion.

Something along the lines of:

Hey, would you all mind being a little more discreet? If we want this event to continue at this venue, and keep the cops out, we need to keep that stuff low key.

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Can you please keep that behind closed doors? Finish up in your car or campsite. If this event gains a reputation for open drug use we may get shut down.

This reminds people that they're out in public, and that they're putting the event at risk. Most casual drug users will tend to respect that it's not about your personal objections, but rather that you're doing your part to protect the event.

Things like "think of the children" or "what about second hand smoke" are likely to be scoffed at. Many cannabis users believe that the only risks are the legal consequences, so there's not much point in inviting that debate. Making points about being able to use the venue in the future, and avoiding a heavier police presence aren't things they can really argue with.

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  Think of the children is a 50/50, second hand smoke is pretty hollow if there is anybody around smoking cigarettes
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  Agreed. When I was a ski instructor I came across a group of guys (early 20's) smoking weed in the glades - it is strictly against the mountain rules to do so. A simple "hey guys, would you mind not doing that on the hill?" got great results. They apologized, put out their joint and skied down. What helped was that (as you mentioned in your answer) I wasn't telling them to stop smoking pot, just asking them to not smoke it here. A judgmental "Stop! You're not allowed to do that!" would not have been received nearly as well.
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  Too bad I can't give more than one upvote to thank you for this answer, and the associated examples. They are pretty helpfull :) Thanks.
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In my experience, being polite actually works pretty well. I would approach with something like:

Hey guys, please don't smoke that here, there are kids participating in the event as well.

Chances are they know they are doing something they shouldn't and would just stop.

I advise against being judgmental or bringing legality into the conversation to avoid conflict.

Of course if that doesn't help you can do what every low level employee should do when handling issues at their workplace - Call your manager.

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  I would assume there are security guards hired for such a large event, in this case, if the OP is uncomfortable asking the offenders to leave, or has asked and they refuse, they should ask the security guards to handle this.
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  I agree with the general idea of being polite, but as @apaul pointed out in his answer "Things like 'think of the children' [...] are likely to be scoffed at. Many cannabis users believe that the only risks are the legal consequences". I'd keep the start of the phrase but would suggest finding something other than "there are kids participating in the event as well" to convince them.
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  Addendum to previous comment: maybe use OP's mention that it would be bad press and say something along the lines of "it's just not the image that the organization wants to project". It's not a personal opinion statement, doesn't bring up legality, it's still a respectful thing to tell them and I think it's more likely to be effective.
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  @AlexandreAubrey the risks of cannabis maybe, but you're still smoking them with tobacco, which is bad for kids (and everyone else)
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  Thanks for sharing your experience, that's a classic advice that will work well. I'll try as much as I can to avoid the trap of "being judgmental or bringing legality" there :)
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You're right to say you have a problem.

It seems you understand your role, "creating the game to entertain people," to help everybody have fun.

If the police swoop in and arrest a lot of people for smoking weed, nobody will have fun. If families with children--or other people--have to leave your event or always be on the lookout, they won't have fun.

Your question doesn't mention whether you are expected to care for minors. So, I guess you are not; it's up to their parents to do that. If parents are giving their children into your care, that's a different situation entirely; ask another question.

It's not your job to enforce laws; you know that. You don't have the power to confiscate contraband. So don't use legality as your motivation for dealing with this problem. Instead think about having fun.

You can nudge people to avoid smoking weed by saying things like

"This is a family event. Please don't smoke weed inside the event."

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"Hey, be cool! Do that outside!"

You should consider getting your organization to adopt a code of conduct, and setting expectations before the next event.

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  FWIW: In a place where the activity is illegal, there can be nothing on a code of conduct except "Don't do this," even if in reality the culture of the event tolerates or even welcomes this behavior, so this section of a code of conduct is generally ignored by those relevant to this problem.
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  @spiralsucculent, the code could apply to all smoking, including tobacco. Covers the ground, and goes beyond. All the better if there's a specific note re: where smokers can go to be outside the bounds where the hosting organization's rules apply.
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  @CharlesDuffy good point, I think that a code of conduct specifying "no smoking" would discourage pot smoking much more than "no illegal substances"
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  @spiralsucculent Well, considering that it's already illegal how would it help?
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  @mbomb007 see my first comment on this post, people who choose to consume an illegal drug know that its illegal. Any event with a code of conduct generally has a line prohibiting their use, because they couldn't very well say "We support you violating the law." If tobacco is allowed when weed is not, then the problem is the legality, which a pot smoker is used to violating. If smoking legal and illegal substances are equally prohibited, the problem is the smoke generated, which is something that all smokers are expected to be respectful of others about, no matter what they're consuming.
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I've recently learned about NonViolent Communication (NVC for short), which helped me since to express my concerns and feelings in really different matters.

It basically is about expressing what you feel and why, to non judgmentally and non violently reach a compromise.

I guess you could try something along the lines of

Hello. I have recently found out you are taking drugs during the event. While I generally do not have any issues with drugs, I am anxious, because I need that people that come to the event and their family are satisfied and feel safe. I also fear I will be held responsible for any mishap, and that I would not be able to come again in future events. Do you think you could not display or talk about your drug use in public?

While they may not agree, it will open up the conversation, without sounding judgmental.

I really suggest you learn a bit about NVC if you want to use that way of communicating your concerns.

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  How would you recommend responding if they take offense at having weed associated with other drugs, or at the implication that they're making people feel unsafe or they'll do something irresponsible?
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  If they react strongly, it probably is because their is some issues on their side. So I'd put aside my concerns, and listen and ask about how they feel and what they need, until I can really empathize with their situation. "When I talked about mishaps, you became angry. Is it because you need to be recognized as responsible?"
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  It seems reasonable to not want to be accused of something bad (being irresponsible). I can't imagine "Is it because you need to be recognized as responsible?" will go well.
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  I would maybe switch to "some kind of unauthorized substance" instead of "drugs". Because it brings the legal aspect without saying it, and it's less "aggressive". Ask them as a favor also helps, I believe
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  I heard of NVC before, and the kind of speech you are supposed to give, and if you talked to me (or a less relaxed and peaceful version of myself) like that, I would likely react very badly. The language is manipulative, and it doesn't even try to hide it. Many people will take a strong dislike to this. And remember you are talking to drug users here. apaul's reply has a much much higher chance to stop them, and a much much lower chance to get him into trouble.
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I suppose the key here is to let it be known that you want them to stop smoking cannabis at your events without making it seem like you have some sort of personal problem with it. If they sense you hope to escalate it to the point where law enforcement gets involved, they may not respond the way you had hoped. The police in situations like this should be a last resort in my opinion. If you make it clear to them that this event will be disrupted by police being called if they don't stop, or possibly cause the events to stop altogether, I would imagine they will stop or smoke somewhere else.

I think it's important to emphasize your concern with the quality of experience the event provides for everyone there, by doing so the offenders should understand that you are not doing this due to disagreeing with drug use but because it has the ability to affect others negatively. If you come off with any sort of personal prejudice against smoking cannabis, then you run the risk of them trying to "stick it to the man" and either simply relocate in the event the day of or come back later & do the same thing in a more creative manner.

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Something that I found very effective when attending music festivals, and even while helping out as a doorman at a local club when I was younger, was a simple request for discretion.

Something along the lines of:

Hey, would you all mind being a little more discreet? If we want this event to continue at this venue, and keep the cops out, we need to keep that stuff low key.

Or:

Can you please keep that behind closed doors? Finish up in your car or campsite. If this event gains a reputation for open drug use we may get shut down.

This reminds people that they're out in public, and that they're putting the event at risk. Most casual drug users will tend to respect that it's not about your personal objections, but rather that you're doing your part to protect the event.

Things like "think of the children" or "what about second hand smoke" are likely to be scoffed at. Many cannabis users believe that the only risks are the legal consequences, so there's not much point in inviting that debate. Making points about being able to use the venue in the future, and avoiding a heavier police presence aren't things they can really argue with.

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  Think of the children is a 50/50, second hand smoke is pretty hollow if there is anybody around smoking cigarettes
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  Agreed. When I was a ski instructor I came across a group of guys (early 20's) smoking weed in the glades - it is strictly against the mountain rules to do so. A simple "hey guys, would you mind not doing that on the hill?" got great results. They apologized, put out their joint and skied down. What helped was that (as you mentioned in your answer) I wasn't telling them to stop smoking pot, just asking them to not smoke it here. A judgmental "Stop! You're not allowed to do that!" would not have been received nearly as well.
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  Too bad I can't give more than one upvote to thank you for this answer, and the associated examples. They are pretty helpfull :) Thanks.
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up vote
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accepted

Something that I found very effective when attending music festivals, and even while helping out as a doorman at a local club when I was younger, was a simple request for discretion.

Something along the lines of:

Hey, would you all mind being a little more discreet? If we want this event to continue at this venue, and keep the cops out, we need to keep that stuff low key.

Or:

Can you please keep that behind closed doors? Finish up in your car or campsite. If this event gains a reputation for open drug use we may get shut down.

This reminds people that they're out in public, and that they're putting the event at risk. Most casual drug users will tend to respect that it's not about your personal objections, but rather that you're doing your part to protect the event.

Things like "think of the children" or "what about second hand smoke" are likely to be scoffed at. Many cannabis users believe that the only risks are the legal consequences, so there's not much point in inviting that debate. Making points about being able to use the venue in the future, and avoiding a heavier police presence aren't things they can really argue with.

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  Think of the children is a 50/50, second hand smoke is pretty hollow if there is anybody around smoking cigarettes
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  Agreed. When I was a ski instructor I came across a group of guys (early 20's) smoking weed in the glades - it is strictly against the mountain rules to do so. A simple "hey guys, would you mind not doing that on the hill?" got great results. They apologized, put out their joint and skied down. What helped was that (as you mentioned in your answer) I wasn't telling them to stop smoking pot, just asking them to not smoke it here. A judgmental "Stop! You're not allowed to do that!" would not have been received nearly as well.
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  Too bad I can't give more than one upvote to thank you for this answer, and the associated examples. They are pretty helpfull :) Thanks.
  – Kaël
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up vote
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accepted

Something that I found very effective when attending music festivals, and even while helping out as a doorman at a local club when I was younger, was a simple request for discretion.

Something along the lines of:

Hey, would you all mind being a little more discreet? If we want this event to continue at this venue, and keep the cops out, we need to keep that stuff low key.

Or:

Can you please keep that behind closed doors? Finish up in your car or campsite. If this event gains a reputation for open drug use we may get shut down.

This reminds people that they're out in public, and that they're putting the event at risk. Most casual drug users will tend to respect that it's not about your personal objections, but rather that you're doing your part to protect the event.

Things like "think of the children" or "what about second hand smoke" are likely to be scoffed at. Many cannabis users believe that the only risks are the legal consequences, so there's not much point in inviting that debate. Making points about being able to use the venue in the future, and avoiding a heavier police presence aren't things they can really argue with.

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answered 2 days ago

apaul

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Something that I found very effective when attending music festivals, and even while helping out as a doorman at a local club when I was younger, was a simple request for discretion.

Something along the lines of:

Hey, would you all mind being a little more discreet? If we want this event to continue at this venue, and keep the cops out, we need to keep that stuff low key.

Or:

Can you please keep that behind closed doors? Finish up in your car or campsite. If this event gains a reputation for open drug use we may get shut down.

This reminds people that they're out in public, and that they're putting the event at risk. Most casual drug users will tend to respect that it's not about your personal objections, but rather that you're doing your part to protect the event.

Things like "think of the children" or "what about second hand smoke" are likely to be scoffed at. Many cannabis users believe that the only risks are the legal consequences, so there's not much point in inviting that debate. Making points about being able to use the venue in the future, and avoiding a heavier police presence aren't things they can really argue with.

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answered 2 days ago

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  Think of the children is a 50/50, second hand smoke is pretty hollow if there is anybody around smoking cigarettes
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  Agreed. When I was a ski instructor I came across a group of guys (early 20's) smoking weed in the glades - it is strictly against the mountain rules to do so. A simple "hey guys, would you mind not doing that on the hill?" got great results. They apologized, put out their joint and skied down. What helped was that (as you mentioned in your answer) I wasn't telling them to stop smoking pot, just asking them to not smoke it here. A judgmental "Stop! You're not allowed to do that!" would not have been received nearly as well.
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  Too bad I can't give more than one upvote to thank you for this answer, and the associated examples. They are pretty helpfull :) Thanks.
  – Kaël
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  Think of the children is a 50/50, second hand smoke is pretty hollow if there is anybody around smoking cigarettes
  – spiral succulent
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  Agreed. When I was a ski instructor I came across a group of guys (early 20's) smoking weed in the glades - it is strictly against the mountain rules to do so. A simple "hey guys, would you mind not doing that on the hill?" got great results. They apologized, put out their joint and skied down. What helped was that (as you mentioned in your answer) I wasn't telling them to stop smoking pot, just asking them to not smoke it here. A judgmental "Stop! You're not allowed to do that!" would not have been received nearly as well.
  – Alexandre Aubrey
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  Too bad I can't give more than one upvote to thank you for this answer, and the associated examples. They are pretty helpfull :) Thanks.
  – Kaël
  yesterday
  

  
  
  
  

Think of the children is a 50/50, second hand smoke is pretty hollow if there is anybody around smoking cigarettes
– spiral succulent
2 days ago

Think of the children is a 50/50, second hand smoke is pretty hollow if there is anybody around smoking cigarettes
– spiral succulent
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Agreed. When I was a ski instructor I came across a group of guys (early 20's) smoking weed in the glades - it is strictly against the mountain rules to do so. A simple "hey guys, would you mind not doing that on the hill?" got great results. They apologized, put out their joint and skied down. What helped was that (as you mentioned in your answer) I wasn't telling them to stop smoking pot, just asking them to not smoke it here. A judgmental "Stop! You're not allowed to do that!" would not have been received nearly as well.
– Alexandre Aubrey
2 days ago

Agreed. When I was a ski instructor I came across a group of guys (early 20's) smoking weed in the glades - it is strictly against the mountain rules to do so. A simple "hey guys, would you mind not doing that on the hill?" got great results. They apologized, put out their joint and skied down. What helped was that (as you mentioned in your answer) I wasn't telling them to stop smoking pot, just asking them to not smoke it here. A judgmental "Stop! You're not allowed to do that!" would not have been received nearly as well.
– Alexandre Aubrey
2 days ago

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Too bad I can't give more than one upvote to thank you for this answer, and the associated examples. They are pretty helpfull :) Thanks.
– Kaël
yesterday

Too bad I can't give more than one upvote to thank you for this answer, and the associated examples. They are pretty helpfull :) Thanks.
– Kaël
yesterday

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In my experience, being polite actually works pretty well. I would approach with something like:

Hey guys, please don't smoke that here, there are kids participating in the event as well.

Chances are they know they are doing something they shouldn't and would just stop.

I advise against being judgmental or bringing legality into the conversation to avoid conflict.

Of course if that doesn't help you can do what every low level employee should do when handling issues at their workplace - Call your manager.

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  I would assume there are security guards hired for such a large event, in this case, if the OP is uncomfortable asking the offenders to leave, or has asked and they refuse, they should ask the security guards to handle this.
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  I agree with the general idea of being polite, but as @apaul pointed out in his answer "Things like 'think of the children' [...] are likely to be scoffed at. Many cannabis users believe that the only risks are the legal consequences". I'd keep the start of the phrase but would suggest finding something other than "there are kids participating in the event as well" to convince them.
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  Addendum to previous comment: maybe use OP's mention that it would be bad press and say something along the lines of "it's just not the image that the organization wants to project". It's not a personal opinion statement, doesn't bring up legality, it's still a respectful thing to tell them and I think it's more likely to be effective.
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  @AlexandreAubrey the risks of cannabis maybe, but you're still smoking them with tobacco, which is bad for kids (and everyone else)
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  Thanks for sharing your experience, that's a classic advice that will work well. I'll try as much as I can to avoid the trap of "being judgmental or bringing legality" there :)
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In my experience, being polite actually works pretty well. I would approach with something like:

Hey guys, please don't smoke that here, there are kids participating in the event as well.

Chances are they know they are doing something they shouldn't and would just stop.

I advise against being judgmental or bringing legality into the conversation to avoid conflict.

Of course if that doesn't help you can do what every low level employee should do when handling issues at their workplace - Call your manager.

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answered 2 days ago

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  I would assume there are security guards hired for such a large event, in this case, if the OP is uncomfortable asking the offenders to leave, or has asked and they refuse, they should ask the security guards to handle this.
  – Matthieu M.
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  I agree with the general idea of being polite, but as @apaul pointed out in his answer "Things like 'think of the children' [...] are likely to be scoffed at. Many cannabis users believe that the only risks are the legal consequences". I'd keep the start of the phrase but would suggest finding something other than "there are kids participating in the event as well" to convince them.
  – Alexandre Aubrey
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  Addendum to previous comment: maybe use OP's mention that it would be bad press and say something along the lines of "it's just not the image that the organization wants to project". It's not a personal opinion statement, doesn't bring up legality, it's still a respectful thing to tell them and I think it's more likely to be effective.
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  @AlexandreAubrey the risks of cannabis maybe, but you're still smoking them with tobacco, which is bad for kids (and everyone else)
  – Erik
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  Thanks for sharing your experience, that's a classic advice that will work well. I'll try as much as I can to avoid the trap of "being judgmental or bringing legality" there :)
  – Kaël
  yesterday
  

  
  
  
  

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up vote
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up vote
68
down vote

In my experience, being polite actually works pretty well. I would approach with something like:

Hey guys, please don't smoke that here, there are kids participating in the event as well.

Chances are they know they are doing something they shouldn't and would just stop.

I advise against being judgmental or bringing legality into the conversation to avoid conflict.

Of course if that doesn't help you can do what every low level employee should do when handling issues at their workplace - Call your manager.

share|improve this answer

answered 2 days ago

Ontamu

1,5822721

In my experience, being polite actually works pretty well. I would approach with something like:

Hey guys, please don't smoke that here, there are kids participating in the event as well.

Chances are they know they are doing something they shouldn't and would just stop.

I advise against being judgmental or bringing legality into the conversation to avoid conflict.

Of course if that doesn't help you can do what every low level employee should do when handling issues at their workplace - Call your manager.

share|improve this answer

answered 2 days ago

Ontamu

1,5822721

share|improve this answer

share|improve this answer

answered 2 days ago

Ontamu

1,5822721

answered 2 days ago

Ontamu

1,5822721

answered 2 days ago

Ontamu

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1,5822721

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  I would assume there are security guards hired for such a large event, in this case, if the OP is uncomfortable asking the offenders to leave, or has asked and they refuse, they should ask the security guards to handle this.
  – Matthieu M.
  2 days ago
  

  
  
  
  


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  I agree with the general idea of being polite, but as @apaul pointed out in his answer "Things like 'think of the children' [...] are likely to be scoffed at. Many cannabis users believe that the only risks are the legal consequences". I'd keep the start of the phrase but would suggest finding something other than "there are kids participating in the event as well" to convince them.
  – Alexandre Aubrey
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  Addendum to previous comment: maybe use OP's mention that it would be bad press and say something along the lines of "it's just not the image that the organization wants to project". It's not a personal opinion statement, doesn't bring up legality, it's still a respectful thing to tell them and I think it's more likely to be effective.
  – Alexandre Aubrey
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  @AlexandreAubrey the risks of cannabis maybe, but you're still smoking them with tobacco, which is bad for kids (and everyone else)
  – Erik
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  Thanks for sharing your experience, that's a classic advice that will work well. I'll try as much as I can to avoid the trap of "being judgmental or bringing legality" there :)
  – Kaël
  yesterday
  

  
  
  
  

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  I would assume there are security guards hired for such a large event, in this case, if the OP is uncomfortable asking the offenders to leave, or has asked and they refuse, they should ask the security guards to handle this.
  – Matthieu M.
  2 days ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  3
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  I agree with the general idea of being polite, but as @apaul pointed out in his answer "Things like 'think of the children' [...] are likely to be scoffed at. Many cannabis users believe that the only risks are the legal consequences". I'd keep the start of the phrase but would suggest finding something other than "there are kids participating in the event as well" to convince them.
  – Alexandre Aubrey
  2 days ago
  

  
  
  
  


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  Addendum to previous comment: maybe use OP's mention that it would be bad press and say something along the lines of "it's just not the image that the organization wants to project". It's not a personal opinion statement, doesn't bring up legality, it's still a respectful thing to tell them and I think it's more likely to be effective.
  – Alexandre Aubrey
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  @AlexandreAubrey the risks of cannabis maybe, but you're still smoking them with tobacco, which is bad for kids (and everyone else)
  – Erik
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  Thanks for sharing your experience, that's a classic advice that will work well. I'll try as much as I can to avoid the trap of "being judgmental or bringing legality" there :)
  – Kaël
  yesterday
  

  
  
  
  

I would assume there are security guards hired for such a large event, in this case, if the OP is uncomfortable asking the offenders to leave, or has asked and they refuse, they should ask the security guards to handle this.
– Matthieu M.
2 days ago

I would assume there are security guards hired for such a large event, in this case, if the OP is uncomfortable asking the offenders to leave, or has asked and they refuse, they should ask the security guards to handle this.
– Matthieu M.
2 days ago

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I agree with the general idea of being polite, but as @apaul pointed out in his answer "Things like 'think of the children' [...] are likely to be scoffed at. Many cannabis users believe that the only risks are the legal consequences". I'd keep the start of the phrase but would suggest finding something other than "there are kids participating in the event as well" to convince them.
– Alexandre Aubrey
2 days ago

I agree with the general idea of being polite, but as @apaul pointed out in his answer "Things like 'think of the children' [...] are likely to be scoffed at. Many cannabis users believe that the only risks are the legal consequences". I'd keep the start of the phrase but would suggest finding something other than "there are kids participating in the event as well" to convince them.
– Alexandre Aubrey
2 days ago

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2

Addendum to previous comment: maybe use OP's mention that it would be bad press and say something along the lines of "it's just not the image that the organization wants to project". It's not a personal opinion statement, doesn't bring up legality, it's still a respectful thing to tell them and I think it's more likely to be effective.
– Alexandre Aubrey
2 days ago

Addendum to previous comment: maybe use OP's mention that it would be bad press and say something along the lines of "it's just not the image that the organization wants to project". It's not a personal opinion statement, doesn't bring up legality, it's still a respectful thing to tell them and I think it's more likely to be effective.
– Alexandre Aubrey
2 days ago

@AlexandreAubrey the risks of cannabis maybe, but you're still smoking them with tobacco, which is bad for kids (and everyone else)
– Erik
yesterday

@AlexandreAubrey the risks of cannabis maybe, but you're still smoking them with tobacco, which is bad for kids (and everyone else)
– Erik
yesterday

Thanks for sharing your experience, that's a classic advice that will work well. I'll try as much as I can to avoid the trap of "being judgmental or bringing legality" there :)
– Kaël
yesterday

Thanks for sharing your experience, that's a classic advice that will work well. I'll try as much as I can to avoid the trap of "being judgmental or bringing legality" there :)
– Kaël
yesterday

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You're right to say you have a problem.

It seems you understand your role, "creating the game to entertain people," to help everybody have fun.

If the police swoop in and arrest a lot of people for smoking weed, nobody will have fun. If families with children--or other people--have to leave your event or always be on the lookout, they won't have fun.

Your question doesn't mention whether you are expected to care for minors. So, I guess you are not; it's up to their parents to do that. If parents are giving their children into your care, that's a different situation entirely; ask another question.

It's not your job to enforce laws; you know that. You don't have the power to confiscate contraband. So don't use legality as your motivation for dealing with this problem. Instead think about having fun.

You can nudge people to avoid smoking weed by saying things like

"This is a family event. Please don't smoke weed inside the event."

or even

"Hey, be cool! Do that outside!"

You should consider getting your organization to adopt a code of conduct, and setting expectations before the next event.

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  FWIW: In a place where the activity is illegal, there can be nothing on a code of conduct except "Don't do this," even if in reality the culture of the event tolerates or even welcomes this behavior, so this section of a code of conduct is generally ignored by those relevant to this problem.
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  @spiralsucculent, the code could apply to all smoking, including tobacco. Covers the ground, and goes beyond. All the better if there's a specific note re: where smokers can go to be outside the bounds where the hosting organization's rules apply.
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  @CharlesDuffy good point, I think that a code of conduct specifying "no smoking" would discourage pot smoking much more than "no illegal substances"
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  @spiralsucculent Well, considering that it's already illegal how would it help?
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  @mbomb007 see my first comment on this post, people who choose to consume an illegal drug know that its illegal. Any event with a code of conduct generally has a line prohibiting their use, because they couldn't very well say "We support you violating the law." If tobacco is allowed when weed is not, then the problem is the legality, which a pot smoker is used to violating. If smoking legal and illegal substances are equally prohibited, the problem is the smoke generated, which is something that all smokers are expected to be respectful of others about, no matter what they're consuming.
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You're right to say you have a problem.

It seems you understand your role, "creating the game to entertain people," to help everybody have fun.

If the police swoop in and arrest a lot of people for smoking weed, nobody will have fun. If families with children--or other people--have to leave your event or always be on the lookout, they won't have fun.

Your question doesn't mention whether you are expected to care for minors. So, I guess you are not; it's up to their parents to do that. If parents are giving their children into your care, that's a different situation entirely; ask another question.

It's not your job to enforce laws; you know that. You don't have the power to confiscate contraband. So don't use legality as your motivation for dealing with this problem. Instead think about having fun.

You can nudge people to avoid smoking weed by saying things like

"This is a family event. Please don't smoke weed inside the event."

or even

"Hey, be cool! Do that outside!"

You should consider getting your organization to adopt a code of conduct, and setting expectations before the next event.

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  FWIW: In a place where the activity is illegal, there can be nothing on a code of conduct except "Don't do this," even if in reality the culture of the event tolerates or even welcomes this behavior, so this section of a code of conduct is generally ignored by those relevant to this problem.
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  @spiralsucculent, the code could apply to all smoking, including tobacco. Covers the ground, and goes beyond. All the better if there's a specific note re: where smokers can go to be outside the bounds where the hosting organization's rules apply.
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  @CharlesDuffy good point, I think that a code of conduct specifying "no smoking" would discourage pot smoking much more than "no illegal substances"
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  @spiralsucculent Well, considering that it's already illegal how would it help?
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  @mbomb007 see my first comment on this post, people who choose to consume an illegal drug know that its illegal. Any event with a code of conduct generally has a line prohibiting their use, because they couldn't very well say "We support you violating the law." If tobacco is allowed when weed is not, then the problem is the legality, which a pot smoker is used to violating. If smoking legal and illegal substances are equally prohibited, the problem is the smoke generated, which is something that all smokers are expected to be respectful of others about, no matter what they're consuming.
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up vote
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up vote
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You're right to say you have a problem.

It seems you understand your role, "creating the game to entertain people," to help everybody have fun.

If the police swoop in and arrest a lot of people for smoking weed, nobody will have fun. If families with children--or other people--have to leave your event or always be on the lookout, they won't have fun.

Your question doesn't mention whether you are expected to care for minors. So, I guess you are not; it's up to their parents to do that. If parents are giving their children into your care, that's a different situation entirely; ask another question.

It's not your job to enforce laws; you know that. You don't have the power to confiscate contraband. So don't use legality as your motivation for dealing with this problem. Instead think about having fun.

You can nudge people to avoid smoking weed by saying things like

"This is a family event. Please don't smoke weed inside the event."

or even

"Hey, be cool! Do that outside!"

You should consider getting your organization to adopt a code of conduct, and setting expectations before the next event.

share|improve this answer

edited yesterday

answered 2 days ago

O. Jones

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You're right to say you have a problem.

It seems you understand your role, "creating the game to entertain people," to help everybody have fun.

If the police swoop in and arrest a lot of people for smoking weed, nobody will have fun. If families with children--or other people--have to leave your event or always be on the lookout, they won't have fun.

Your question doesn't mention whether you are expected to care for minors. So, I guess you are not; it's up to their parents to do that. If parents are giving their children into your care, that's a different situation entirely; ask another question.

It's not your job to enforce laws; you know that. You don't have the power to confiscate contraband. So don't use legality as your motivation for dealing with this problem. Instead think about having fun.

You can nudge people to avoid smoking weed by saying things like

"This is a family event. Please don't smoke weed inside the event."

or even

"Hey, be cool! Do that outside!"

You should consider getting your organization to adopt a code of conduct, and setting expectations before the next event.

share|improve this answer

edited yesterday

answered 2 days ago

O. Jones

2665

share|improve this answer

share|improve this answer

edited yesterday

edited yesterday

edited yesterday

answered 2 days ago

O. Jones

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answered 2 days ago

O. Jones

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answered 2 days ago

O. Jones

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  FWIW: In a place where the activity is illegal, there can be nothing on a code of conduct except "Don't do this," even if in reality the culture of the event tolerates or even welcomes this behavior, so this section of a code of conduct is generally ignored by those relevant to this problem.
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  @spiralsucculent, the code could apply to all smoking, including tobacco. Covers the ground, and goes beyond. All the better if there's a specific note re: where smokers can go to be outside the bounds where the hosting organization's rules apply.
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  @CharlesDuffy good point, I think that a code of conduct specifying "no smoking" would discourage pot smoking much more than "no illegal substances"
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  @spiralsucculent Well, considering that it's already illegal how would it help?
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  @mbomb007 see my first comment on this post, people who choose to consume an illegal drug know that its illegal. Any event with a code of conduct generally has a line prohibiting their use, because they couldn't very well say "We support you violating the law." If tobacco is allowed when weed is not, then the problem is the legality, which a pot smoker is used to violating. If smoking legal and illegal substances are equally prohibited, the problem is the smoke generated, which is something that all smokers are expected to be respectful of others about, no matter what they're consuming.
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  FWIW: In a place where the activity is illegal, there can be nothing on a code of conduct except "Don't do this," even if in reality the culture of the event tolerates or even welcomes this behavior, so this section of a code of conduct is generally ignored by those relevant to this problem.
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  @spiralsucculent, the code could apply to all smoking, including tobacco. Covers the ground, and goes beyond. All the better if there's a specific note re: where smokers can go to be outside the bounds where the hosting organization's rules apply.
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  @CharlesDuffy good point, I think that a code of conduct specifying "no smoking" would discourage pot smoking much more than "no illegal substances"
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  @spiralsucculent Well, considering that it's already illegal how would it help?
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  @mbomb007 see my first comment on this post, people who choose to consume an illegal drug know that its illegal. Any event with a code of conduct generally has a line prohibiting their use, because they couldn't very well say "We support you violating the law." If tobacco is allowed when weed is not, then the problem is the legality, which a pot smoker is used to violating. If smoking legal and illegal substances are equally prohibited, the problem is the smoke generated, which is something that all smokers are expected to be respectful of others about, no matter what they're consuming.
  – spiral succulent
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FWIW: In a place where the activity is illegal, there can be nothing on a code of conduct except "Don't do this," even if in reality the culture of the event tolerates or even welcomes this behavior, so this section of a code of conduct is generally ignored by those relevant to this problem.
– spiral succulent
2 days ago

FWIW: In a place where the activity is illegal, there can be nothing on a code of conduct except "Don't do this," even if in reality the culture of the event tolerates or even welcomes this behavior, so this section of a code of conduct is generally ignored by those relevant to this problem.
– spiral succulent
2 days ago

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@spiralsucculent, the code could apply to all smoking, including tobacco. Covers the ground, and goes beyond. All the better if there's a specific note re: where smokers can go to be outside the bounds where the hosting organization's rules apply.
– Charles Duffy
2 days ago

@spiralsucculent, the code could apply to all smoking, including tobacco. Covers the ground, and goes beyond. All the better if there's a specific note re: where smokers can go to be outside the bounds where the hosting organization's rules apply.
– Charles Duffy
2 days ago

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@CharlesDuffy good point, I think that a code of conduct specifying "no smoking" would discourage pot smoking much more than "no illegal substances"
– spiral succulent
2 days ago

@CharlesDuffy good point, I think that a code of conduct specifying "no smoking" would discourage pot smoking much more than "no illegal substances"
– spiral succulent
2 days ago

@spiralsucculent Well, considering that it's already illegal how would it help?
– mbomb007
2 days ago

@spiralsucculent Well, considering that it's already illegal how would it help?
– mbomb007
2 days ago

2

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@mbomb007 see my first comment on this post, people who choose to consume an illegal drug know that its illegal. Any event with a code of conduct generally has a line prohibiting their use, because they couldn't very well say "We support you violating the law." If tobacco is allowed when weed is not, then the problem is the legality, which a pot smoker is used to violating. If smoking legal and illegal substances are equally prohibited, the problem is the smoke generated, which is something that all smokers are expected to be respectful of others about, no matter what they're consuming.
– spiral succulent
2 days ago

@mbomb007 see my first comment on this post, people who choose to consume an illegal drug know that its illegal. Any event with a code of conduct generally has a line prohibiting their use, because they couldn't very well say "We support you violating the law." If tobacco is allowed when weed is not, then the problem is the legality, which a pot smoker is used to violating. If smoking legal and illegal substances are equally prohibited, the problem is the smoke generated, which is something that all smokers are expected to be respectful of others about, no matter what they're consuming.
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2 days ago

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I've recently learned about NonViolent Communication (NVC for short), which helped me since to express my concerns and feelings in really different matters.

It basically is about expressing what you feel and why, to non judgmentally and non violently reach a compromise.

I guess you could try something along the lines of

Hello. I have recently found out you are taking drugs during the event. While I generally do not have any issues with drugs, I am anxious, because I need that people that come to the event and their family are satisfied and feel safe. I also fear I will be held responsible for any mishap, and that I would not be able to come again in future events. Do you think you could not display or talk about your drug use in public?

While they may not agree, it will open up the conversation, without sounding judgmental.

I really suggest you learn a bit about NVC if you want to use that way of communicating your concerns.

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  How would you recommend responding if they take offense at having weed associated with other drugs, or at the implication that they're making people feel unsafe or they'll do something irresponsible?
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  If they react strongly, it probably is because their is some issues on their side. So I'd put aside my concerns, and listen and ask about how they feel and what they need, until I can really empathize with their situation. "When I talked about mishaps, you became angry. Is it because you need to be recognized as responsible?"
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  It seems reasonable to not want to be accused of something bad (being irresponsible). I can't imagine "Is it because you need to be recognized as responsible?" will go well.
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  I would maybe switch to "some kind of unauthorized substance" instead of "drugs". Because it brings the legal aspect without saying it, and it's less "aggressive". Ask them as a favor also helps, I believe
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  I heard of NVC before, and the kind of speech you are supposed to give, and if you talked to me (or a less relaxed and peaceful version of myself) like that, I would likely react very badly. The language is manipulative, and it doesn't even try to hide it. Many people will take a strong dislike to this. And remember you are talking to drug users here. apaul's reply has a much much higher chance to stop them, and a much much lower chance to get him into trouble.
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up vote
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down vote

I've recently learned about NonViolent Communication (NVC for short), which helped me since to express my concerns and feelings in really different matters.

It basically is about expressing what you feel and why, to non judgmentally and non violently reach a compromise.

I guess you could try something along the lines of

Hello. I have recently found out you are taking drugs during the event. While I generally do not have any issues with drugs, I am anxious, because I need that people that come to the event and their family are satisfied and feel safe. I also fear I will be held responsible for any mishap, and that I would not be able to come again in future events. Do you think you could not display or talk about your drug use in public?

While they may not agree, it will open up the conversation, without sounding judgmental.

I really suggest you learn a bit about NVC if you want to use that way of communicating your concerns.

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answered 2 days ago

DainDwarf

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  How would you recommend responding if they take offense at having weed associated with other drugs, or at the implication that they're making people feel unsafe or they'll do something irresponsible?
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  If they react strongly, it probably is because their is some issues on their side. So I'd put aside my concerns, and listen and ask about how they feel and what they need, until I can really empathize with their situation. "When I talked about mishaps, you became angry. Is it because you need to be recognized as responsible?"
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  It seems reasonable to not want to be accused of something bad (being irresponsible). I can't imagine "Is it because you need to be recognized as responsible?" will go well.
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  I would maybe switch to "some kind of unauthorized substance" instead of "drugs". Because it brings the legal aspect without saying it, and it's less "aggressive". Ask them as a favor also helps, I believe
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  I heard of NVC before, and the kind of speech you are supposed to give, and if you talked to me (or a less relaxed and peaceful version of myself) like that, I would likely react very badly. The language is manipulative, and it doesn't even try to hide it. Many people will take a strong dislike to this. And remember you are talking to drug users here. apaul's reply has a much much higher chance to stop them, and a much much lower chance to get him into trouble.
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up vote
4
down vote

up vote
4
down vote

I've recently learned about NonViolent Communication (NVC for short), which helped me since to express my concerns and feelings in really different matters.

It basically is about expressing what you feel and why, to non judgmentally and non violently reach a compromise.

I guess you could try something along the lines of

Hello. I have recently found out you are taking drugs during the event. While I generally do not have any issues with drugs, I am anxious, because I need that people that come to the event and their family are satisfied and feel safe. I also fear I will be held responsible for any mishap, and that I would not be able to come again in future events. Do you think you could not display or talk about your drug use in public?

While they may not agree, it will open up the conversation, without sounding judgmental.

I really suggest you learn a bit about NVC if you want to use that way of communicating your concerns.

share|improve this answer

answered 2 days ago

DainDwarf

1572

I've recently learned about NonViolent Communication (NVC for short), which helped me since to express my concerns and feelings in really different matters.

It basically is about expressing what you feel and why, to non judgmentally and non violently reach a compromise.

I guess you could try something along the lines of

Hello. I have recently found out you are taking drugs during the event. While I generally do not have any issues with drugs, I am anxious, because I need that people that come to the event and their family are satisfied and feel safe. I also fear I will be held responsible for any mishap, and that I would not be able to come again in future events. Do you think you could not display or talk about your drug use in public?

While they may not agree, it will open up the conversation, without sounding judgmental.

I really suggest you learn a bit about NVC if you want to use that way of communicating your concerns.

share|improve this answer

answered 2 days ago

DainDwarf

1572

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share|improve this answer

answered 2 days ago

DainDwarf

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answered 2 days ago

DainDwarf

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answered 2 days ago

DainDwarf

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  How would you recommend responding if they take offense at having weed associated with other drugs, or at the implication that they're making people feel unsafe or they'll do something irresponsible?
  – NotThatGuy
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  If they react strongly, it probably is because their is some issues on their side. So I'd put aside my concerns, and listen and ask about how they feel and what they need, until I can really empathize with their situation. "When I talked about mishaps, you became angry. Is it because you need to be recognized as responsible?"
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  It seems reasonable to not want to be accused of something bad (being irresponsible). I can't imagine "Is it because you need to be recognized as responsible?" will go well.
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  I would maybe switch to "some kind of unauthorized substance" instead of "drugs". Because it brings the legal aspect without saying it, and it's less "aggressive". Ask them as a favor also helps, I believe
  – OldPadawan
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  I heard of NVC before, and the kind of speech you are supposed to give, and if you talked to me (or a less relaxed and peaceful version of myself) like that, I would likely react very badly. The language is manipulative, and it doesn't even try to hide it. Many people will take a strong dislike to this. And remember you are talking to drug users here. apaul's reply has a much much higher chance to stop them, and a much much lower chance to get him into trouble.
  – gnasher729
  yesterday
  

  
  
  
  

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  How would you recommend responding if they take offense at having weed associated with other drugs, or at the implication that they're making people feel unsafe or they'll do something irresponsible?
  – NotThatGuy
  2 days ago
  

  
  
  
  


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  If they react strongly, it probably is because their is some issues on their side. So I'd put aside my concerns, and listen and ask about how they feel and what they need, until I can really empathize with their situation. "When I talked about mishaps, you became angry. Is it because you need to be recognized as responsible?"
  – DainDwarf
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  It seems reasonable to not want to be accused of something bad (being irresponsible). I can't imagine "Is it because you need to be recognized as responsible?" will go well.
  – NotThatGuy
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  I would maybe switch to "some kind of unauthorized substance" instead of "drugs". Because it brings the legal aspect without saying it, and it's less "aggressive". Ask them as a favor also helps, I believe
  – OldPadawan
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  I heard of NVC before, and the kind of speech you are supposed to give, and if you talked to me (or a less relaxed and peaceful version of myself) like that, I would likely react very badly. The language is manipulative, and it doesn't even try to hide it. Many people will take a strong dislike to this. And remember you are talking to drug users here. apaul's reply has a much much higher chance to stop them, and a much much lower chance to get him into trouble.
  – gnasher729
  yesterday
  

  
  
  
  

How would you recommend responding if they take offense at having weed associated with other drugs, or at the implication that they're making people feel unsafe or they'll do something irresponsible?
– NotThatGuy
2 days ago

How would you recommend responding if they take offense at having weed associated with other drugs, or at the implication that they're making people feel unsafe or they'll do something irresponsible?
– NotThatGuy
2 days ago

If they react strongly, it probably is because their is some issues on their side. So I'd put aside my concerns, and listen and ask about how they feel and what they need, until I can really empathize with their situation. "When I talked about mishaps, you became angry. Is it because you need to be recognized as responsible?"
– DainDwarf
2 days ago

If they react strongly, it probably is because their is some issues on their side. So I'd put aside my concerns, and listen and ask about how they feel and what they need, until I can really empathize with their situation. "When I talked about mishaps, you became angry. Is it because you need to be recognized as responsible?"
– DainDwarf
2 days ago

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It seems reasonable to not want to be accused of something bad (being irresponsible). I can't imagine "Is it because you need to be recognized as responsible?" will go well.
– NotThatGuy
2 days ago

It seems reasonable to not want to be accused of something bad (being irresponsible). I can't imagine "Is it because you need to be recognized as responsible?" will go well.
– NotThatGuy
2 days ago

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I would maybe switch to "some kind of unauthorized substance" instead of "drugs". Because it brings the legal aspect without saying it, and it's less "aggressive". Ask them as a favor also helps, I believe
– OldPadawan
2 days ago

I would maybe switch to "some kind of unauthorized substance" instead of "drugs". Because it brings the legal aspect without saying it, and it's less "aggressive". Ask them as a favor also helps, I believe
– OldPadawan
2 days ago

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2

I heard of NVC before, and the kind of speech you are supposed to give, and if you talked to me (or a less relaxed and peaceful version of myself) like that, I would likely react very badly. The language is manipulative, and it doesn't even try to hide it. Many people will take a strong dislike to this. And remember you are talking to drug users here. apaul's reply has a much much higher chance to stop them, and a much much lower chance to get him into trouble.
– gnasher729
yesterday

I heard of NVC before, and the kind of speech you are supposed to give, and if you talked to me (or a less relaxed and peaceful version of myself) like that, I would likely react very badly. The language is manipulative, and it doesn't even try to hide it. Many people will take a strong dislike to this. And remember you are talking to drug users here. apaul's reply has a much much higher chance to stop them, and a much much lower chance to get him into trouble.
– gnasher729
yesterday

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I suppose the key here is to let it be known that you want them to stop smoking cannabis at your events without making it seem like you have some sort of personal problem with it. If they sense you hope to escalate it to the point where law enforcement gets involved, they may not respond the way you had hoped. The police in situations like this should be a last resort in my opinion. If you make it clear to them that this event will be disrupted by police being called if they don't stop, or possibly cause the events to stop altogether, I would imagine they will stop or smoke somewhere else.

I think it's important to emphasize your concern with the quality of experience the event provides for everyone there, by doing so the offenders should understand that you are not doing this due to disagreeing with drug use but because it has the ability to affect others negatively. If you come off with any sort of personal prejudice against smoking cannabis, then you run the risk of them trying to "stick it to the man" and either simply relocate in the event the day of or come back later & do the same thing in a more creative manner.

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I suppose the key here is to let it be known that you want them to stop smoking cannabis at your events without making it seem like you have some sort of personal problem with it. If they sense you hope to escalate it to the point where law enforcement gets involved, they may not respond the way you had hoped. The police in situations like this should be a last resort in my opinion. If you make it clear to them that this event will be disrupted by police being called if they don't stop, or possibly cause the events to stop altogether, I would imagine they will stop or smoke somewhere else.

I think it's important to emphasize your concern with the quality of experience the event provides for everyone there, by doing so the offenders should understand that you are not doing this due to disagreeing with drug use but because it has the ability to affect others negatively. If you come off with any sort of personal prejudice against smoking cannabis, then you run the risk of them trying to "stick it to the man" and either simply relocate in the event the day of or come back later & do the same thing in a more creative manner.

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I suppose the key here is to let it be known that you want them to stop smoking cannabis at your events without making it seem like you have some sort of personal problem with it. If they sense you hope to escalate it to the point where law enforcement gets involved, they may not respond the way you had hoped. The police in situations like this should be a last resort in my opinion. If you make it clear to them that this event will be disrupted by police being called if they don't stop, or possibly cause the events to stop altogether, I would imagine they will stop or smoke somewhere else.

I think it's important to emphasize your concern with the quality of experience the event provides for everyone there, by doing so the offenders should understand that you are not doing this due to disagreeing with drug use but because it has the ability to affect others negatively. If you come off with any sort of personal prejudice against smoking cannabis, then you run the risk of them trying to "stick it to the man" and either simply relocate in the event the day of or come back later & do the same thing in a more creative manner.

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answered 2 days ago

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I suppose the key here is to let it be known that you want them to stop smoking cannabis at your events without making it seem like you have some sort of personal problem with it. If they sense you hope to escalate it to the point where law enforcement gets involved, they may not respond the way you had hoped. The police in situations like this should be a last resort in my opinion. If you make it clear to them that this event will be disrupted by police being called if they don't stop, or possibly cause the events to stop altogether, I would imagine they will stop or smoke somewhere else.

I think it's important to emphasize your concern with the quality of experience the event provides for everyone there, by doing so the offenders should understand that you are not doing this due to disagreeing with drug use but because it has the ability to affect others negatively. If you come off with any sort of personal prejudice against smoking cannabis, then you run the risk of them trying to "stick it to the man" and either simply relocate in the event the day of or come back later & do the same thing in a more creative manner.

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answered 2 days ago

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