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In the book version, Gandalf confronts Saruman and declares "Your staff is broken," at which point Saruman's staff shatters.
I just re-watched the movie version on DVD, and that scene isn't shown. Instead, Gandalf says Saruman has no more power" or some such, and there is no direct confrontation between the two wizards after Gandalf becomes Gandalf the White.
However, there is a Youtube video I found that is closer to the scene from the book. What version of the movie has that scene in it?
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In the book version, Gandalf confronts Saruman and declares "Your staff is broken," at which point Saruman's staff shatters.
I just re-watched the movie version on DVD, and that scene isn't shown. Instead, Gandalf says Saruman has no more power" or some such, and there is no direct confrontation between the two wizards after Gandalf becomes Gandalf the White.
However, there is a Youtube video I found that is closer to the scene from the book. What version of the movie has that scene in it?
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What version? The same version that also has Saruman shooting a fireball and also has Saruman fall down into spikes rather than sort of- well you seemingly have read the book so I won’t try and describe it - and having a certain Elf shoot GrÃma rather than hobbits and in fact missing Frodo and Sam too. In other words rubbish. I know that doesn’t really answer your question but seeing as how it’s been answered - well I just loathe PJ and his .. I am not sure there are any real words to describe them accurately although I imagine some will disagree...
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In the book version, Gandalf confronts Saruman and declares "Your staff is broken," at which point Saruman's staff shatters.
I just re-watched the movie version on DVD, and that scene isn't shown. Instead, Gandalf says Saruman has no more power" or some such, and there is no direct confrontation between the two wizards after Gandalf becomes Gandalf the White.
However, there is a Youtube video I found that is closer to the scene from the book. What version of the movie has that scene in it?
tolkiens-legendarium the-lord-of-the-rings gandalf saruman
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In the book version, Gandalf confronts Saruman and declares "Your staff is broken," at which point Saruman's staff shatters.
I just re-watched the movie version on DVD, and that scene isn't shown. Instead, Gandalf says Saruman has no more power" or some such, and there is no direct confrontation between the two wizards after Gandalf becomes Gandalf the White.
However, there is a Youtube video I found that is closer to the scene from the book. What version of the movie has that scene in it?
tolkiens-legendarium the-lord-of-the-rings gandalf saruman
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asked 10 hours ago
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edited 10 hours ago
Edlothiad
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What version? The same version that also has Saruman shooting a fireball and also has Saruman fall down into spikes rather than sort of- well you seemingly have read the book so I won’t try and describe it - and having a certain Elf shoot GrÃma rather than hobbits and in fact missing Frodo and Sam too. In other words rubbish. I know that doesn’t really answer your question but seeing as how it’s been answered - well I just loathe PJ and his .. I am not sure there are any real words to describe them accurately although I imagine some will disagree...
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What version? The same version that also has Saruman shooting a fireball and also has Saruman fall down into spikes rather than sort of- well you seemingly have read the book so I won’t try and describe it - and having a certain Elf shoot GrÃma rather than hobbits and in fact missing Frodo and Sam too. In other words rubbish. I know that doesn’t really answer your question but seeing as how it’s been answered - well I just loathe PJ and his .. I am not sure there are any real words to describe them accurately although I imagine some will disagree...
– Pryftan
7 hours ago
What version? The same version that also has Saruman shooting a fireball and also has Saruman fall down into spikes rather than sort of- well you seemingly have read the book so I won’t try and describe it - and having a certain Elf shoot GrÃma rather than hobbits and in fact missing Frodo and Sam too. In other words rubbish. I know that doesn’t really answer your question but seeing as how it’s been answered - well I just loathe PJ and his .. I am not sure there are any real words to describe them accurately although I imagine some will disagree...
– Pryftan
7 hours ago
What version? The same version that also has Saruman shooting a fireball and also has Saruman fall down into spikes rather than sort of- well you seemingly have read the book so I won’t try and describe it - and having a certain Elf shoot GrÃma rather than hobbits and in fact missing Frodo and Sam too. In other words rubbish. I know that doesn’t really answer your question but seeing as how it’s been answered - well I just loathe PJ and his .. I am not sure there are any real words to describe them accurately although I imagine some will disagree...
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That scene is from the Extended Editions of The Lord of The Rings series.
The success of the theatrical cuts brought about four-disc Extended Editions, with new editing, added special effects and music. The extended cuts of the films and the included special features were spread over two discs, and a limited collector's edition was also released
- Wikipedia
The scene in question:
answered 10 hours ago
RedCaio
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Interesting. Was the scene re-shot, or was it filmed during the making of the original but cut during editing>
– Duncan C
10 hours ago
@DuncanC - I think most of the extra scenes in the Extended Editions was old footage, although Jackson did shoot new some material for them. I'm not positive about this scene in particular though, but my guess is old footage.
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Scene 4: The Voice of Saruman
This scene was cut from the original film, and was later added into the extended edition from the film, it was one of 4 scenes that were cut entirely from the second half of The Return of the King.
The decision to remove the scene on the cutting room floor was explained by Peter Jackson in a 2003 interview with Ain't It Cool News:
"The trouble is, when we viewed various ROTK cuts over the last few weeks, it feels like the first scenes are wrapping last year's movie, instead of starting the new one. We felt it got Return Of The King off to an uncertain beginning, since Saruman plays no role in the events of ROTK (we don't have the Scouring later, as the book does), yet we dwell in Isengard for quite a long time before our new story kicks off.
"We reluctantly made the decision to save this sequence for the DVD. The choice was made on the basis that most people will assume that Saruman was vanquished by the Helm's Deep events, and Ent attack. We can now crack straight into setting up the narrative tension of ROTK, which features Sauron as the villain."
The Guardian - Jackson defends Saruman cuts
A description of the differences can be found on Movie Censorship, which also discusses it's removal from the film on the cutting room floor.
The scene can be found on youtube, shown below
answered 10 hours ago
Edlothiad
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Nice answer. Wasn't Christopher Lee upset by the decision to cut this scene?
– RedCaio
5 hours ago
I understand the need to cut material so the movie isn't 15 hours long, but this scene seems really important. (Although, as @Pryftan points out, it would have been better if it was more true to the book.)
– Duncan C
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2 Answers
2
active
oldest
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active
oldest
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active
oldest
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up vote
11
down vote
accepted
That scene is from the Extended Editions of The Lord of The Rings series.
The success of the theatrical cuts brought about four-disc Extended Editions, with new editing, added special effects and music. The extended cuts of the films and the included special features were spread over two discs, and a limited collector's edition was also released
- Wikipedia
The scene in question:
answered 10 hours ago
RedCaio
21.3k16107220
Interesting. Was the scene re-shot, or was it filmed during the making of the original but cut during editing>
– Duncan C
10 hours ago
@DuncanC - I think most of the extra scenes in the Extended Editions was old footage, although Jackson did shoot new some material for them. I'm not positive about this scene in particular though, but my guess is old footage.
– RedCaio
10 hours ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
11
down vote
accepted
That scene is from the Extended Editions of The Lord of The Rings series.
The success of the theatrical cuts brought about four-disc Extended Editions, with new editing, added special effects and music. The extended cuts of the films and the included special features were spread over two discs, and a limited collector's edition was also released
- Wikipedia
The scene in question:
answered 10 hours ago
RedCaio
21.3k16107220
Interesting. Was the scene re-shot, or was it filmed during the making of the original but cut during editing>
– Duncan C
10 hours ago
@DuncanC - I think most of the extra scenes in the Extended Editions was old footage, although Jackson did shoot new some material for them. I'm not positive about this scene in particular though, but my guess is old footage.
– RedCaio
10 hours ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
11
down vote
accepted
up vote
11
down vote
accepted
That scene is from the Extended Editions of The Lord of The Rings series.
The success of the theatrical cuts brought about four-disc Extended Editions, with new editing, added special effects and music. The extended cuts of the films and the included special features were spread over two discs, and a limited collector's edition was also released
- Wikipedia
The scene in question:
answered 10 hours ago
RedCaio
21.3k16107220
That scene is from the Extended Editions of The Lord of The Rings series.
The success of the theatrical cuts brought about four-disc Extended Editions, with new editing, added special effects and music. The extended cuts of the films and the included special features were spread over two discs, and a limited collector's edition was also released
- Wikipedia
The scene in question:
answered 10 hours ago
RedCaio
21.3k16107220
answered 10 hours ago
RedCaio
21.3k16107220
answered 10 hours ago
RedCaio
21.3k16107220
answered 10 hours ago
RedCaio
21.3k16107220
21.3k16107220
Interesting. Was the scene re-shot, or was it filmed during the making of the original but cut during editing>
– Duncan C
10 hours ago
@DuncanC - I think most of the extra scenes in the Extended Editions was old footage, although Jackson did shoot new some material for them. I'm not positive about this scene in particular though, but my guess is old footage.
– RedCaio
10 hours ago
add a comment |Â
Interesting. Was the scene re-shot, or was it filmed during the making of the original but cut during editing>
– Duncan C
10 hours ago
@DuncanC - I think most of the extra scenes in the Extended Editions was old footage, although Jackson did shoot new some material for them. I'm not positive about this scene in particular though, but my guess is old footage.
– RedCaio
10 hours ago
Interesting. Was the scene re-shot, or was it filmed during the making of the original but cut during editing>
– Duncan C
10 hours ago
Interesting. Was the scene re-shot, or was it filmed during the making of the original but cut during editing>
– Duncan C
10 hours ago
@DuncanC - I think most of the extra scenes in the Extended Editions was old footage, although Jackson did shoot new some material for them. I'm not positive about this scene in particular though, but my guess is old footage.
– RedCaio
10 hours ago
@DuncanC - I think most of the extra scenes in the Extended Editions was old footage, although Jackson did shoot new some material for them. I'm not positive about this scene in particular though, but my guess is old footage.
– RedCaio
10 hours ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
14
down vote
Scene 4: The Voice of Saruman
This scene was cut from the original film, and was later added into the extended edition from the film, it was one of 4 scenes that were cut entirely from the second half of The Return of the King.
The decision to remove the scene on the cutting room floor was explained by Peter Jackson in a 2003 interview with Ain't It Cool News:
"The trouble is, when we viewed various ROTK cuts over the last few weeks, it feels like the first scenes are wrapping last year's movie, instead of starting the new one. We felt it got Return Of The King off to an uncertain beginning, since Saruman plays no role in the events of ROTK (we don't have the Scouring later, as the book does), yet we dwell in Isengard for quite a long time before our new story kicks off.
"We reluctantly made the decision to save this sequence for the DVD. The choice was made on the basis that most people will assume that Saruman was vanquished by the Helm's Deep events, and Ent attack. We can now crack straight into setting up the narrative tension of ROTK, which features Sauron as the villain."
The Guardian - Jackson defends Saruman cuts
A description of the differences can be found on Movie Censorship, which also discusses it's removal from the film on the cutting room floor.
The scene can be found on youtube, shown below
answered 10 hours ago
Edlothiad
50.9k19272282
1
Nice answer. Wasn't Christopher Lee upset by the decision to cut this scene?
– RedCaio
5 hours ago
I understand the need to cut material so the movie isn't 15 hours long, but this scene seems really important. (Although, as @Pryftan points out, it would have been better if it was more true to the book.)
– Duncan C
2 hours ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
14
down vote
Scene 4: The Voice of Saruman
This scene was cut from the original film, and was later added into the extended edition from the film, it was one of 4 scenes that were cut entirely from the second half of The Return of the King.
The decision to remove the scene on the cutting room floor was explained by Peter Jackson in a 2003 interview with Ain't It Cool News:
"The trouble is, when we viewed various ROTK cuts over the last few weeks, it feels like the first scenes are wrapping last year's movie, instead of starting the new one. We felt it got Return Of The King off to an uncertain beginning, since Saruman plays no role in the events of ROTK (we don't have the Scouring later, as the book does), yet we dwell in Isengard for quite a long time before our new story kicks off.
"We reluctantly made the decision to save this sequence for the DVD. The choice was made on the basis that most people will assume that Saruman was vanquished by the Helm's Deep events, and Ent attack. We can now crack straight into setting up the narrative tension of ROTK, which features Sauron as the villain."
The Guardian - Jackson defends Saruman cuts
A description of the differences can be found on Movie Censorship, which also discusses it's removal from the film on the cutting room floor.
The scene can be found on youtube, shown below
answered 10 hours ago
Edlothiad
50.9k19272282
1
Nice answer. Wasn't Christopher Lee upset by the decision to cut this scene?
– RedCaio
5 hours ago
I understand the need to cut material so the movie isn't 15 hours long, but this scene seems really important. (Although, as @Pryftan points out, it would have been better if it was more true to the book.)
– Duncan C
2 hours ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
14
down vote
up vote
14
down vote
Scene 4: The Voice of Saruman
This scene was cut from the original film, and was later added into the extended edition from the film, it was one of 4 scenes that were cut entirely from the second half of The Return of the King.
The decision to remove the scene on the cutting room floor was explained by Peter Jackson in a 2003 interview with Ain't It Cool News:
"The trouble is, when we viewed various ROTK cuts over the last few weeks, it feels like the first scenes are wrapping last year's movie, instead of starting the new one. We felt it got Return Of The King off to an uncertain beginning, since Saruman plays no role in the events of ROTK (we don't have the Scouring later, as the book does), yet we dwell in Isengard for quite a long time before our new story kicks off.
"We reluctantly made the decision to save this sequence for the DVD. The choice was made on the basis that most people will assume that Saruman was vanquished by the Helm's Deep events, and Ent attack. We can now crack straight into setting up the narrative tension of ROTK, which features Sauron as the villain."
The Guardian - Jackson defends Saruman cuts
A description of the differences can be found on Movie Censorship, which also discusses it's removal from the film on the cutting room floor.
The scene can be found on youtube, shown below
answered 10 hours ago
Edlothiad
50.9k19272282
Scene 4: The Voice of Saruman
This scene was cut from the original film, and was later added into the extended edition from the film, it was one of 4 scenes that were cut entirely from the second half of The Return of the King.
The decision to remove the scene on the cutting room floor was explained by Peter Jackson in a 2003 interview with Ain't It Cool News:
"The trouble is, when we viewed various ROTK cuts over the last few weeks, it feels like the first scenes are wrapping last year's movie, instead of starting the new one. We felt it got Return Of The King off to an uncertain beginning, since Saruman plays no role in the events of ROTK (we don't have the Scouring later, as the book does), yet we dwell in Isengard for quite a long time before our new story kicks off.
"We reluctantly made the decision to save this sequence for the DVD. The choice was made on the basis that most people will assume that Saruman was vanquished by the Helm's Deep events, and Ent attack. We can now crack straight into setting up the narrative tension of ROTK, which features Sauron as the villain."
The Guardian - Jackson defends Saruman cuts
A description of the differences can be found on Movie Censorship, which also discusses it's removal from the film on the cutting room floor.
The scene can be found on youtube, shown below
answered 10 hours ago
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answered 10 hours ago
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Nice answer. Wasn't Christopher Lee upset by the decision to cut this scene?
– RedCaio
5 hours ago
I understand the need to cut material so the movie isn't 15 hours long, but this scene seems really important. (Although, as @Pryftan points out, it would have been better if it was more true to the book.)
– Duncan C
2 hours ago
add a comment |Â
1
Nice answer. Wasn't Christopher Lee upset by the decision to cut this scene?
– RedCaio
5 hours ago
I understand the need to cut material so the movie isn't 15 hours long, but this scene seems really important. (Although, as @Pryftan points out, it would have been better if it was more true to the book.)
– Duncan C
2 hours ago
1
1
Nice answer. Wasn't Christopher Lee upset by the decision to cut this scene?
– RedCaio
5 hours ago
Nice answer. Wasn't Christopher Lee upset by the decision to cut this scene?
– RedCaio
5 hours ago
I understand the need to cut material so the movie isn't 15 hours long, but this scene seems really important. (Although, as @Pryftan points out, it would have been better if it was more true to the book.)
– Duncan C
2 hours ago
I understand the need to cut material so the movie isn't 15 hours long, but this scene seems really important. (Although, as @Pryftan points out, it would have been better if it was more true to the book.)
– Duncan C
2 hours ago
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What version? The same version that also has Saruman shooting a fireball and also has Saruman fall down into spikes rather than sort of- well you seemingly have read the book so I won’t try and describe it - and having a certain Elf shoot GrÃma rather than hobbits and in fact missing Frodo and Sam too. In other words rubbish. I know that doesn’t really answer your question but seeing as how it’s been answered - well I just loathe PJ and his .. I am not sure there are any real words to describe them accurately although I imagine some will disagree...
– Pryftan
7 hours ago