Integral class mod 2 reduction, and Stiefel Whitney class

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If there is an integral 3rd cohomology class called Y, such that whose mod 2 reduction is the Steenrod square of the 2nd cohomology of Stiefel Whitney class, then we have
$$ Y=Sq^1 w_2 mod 2$$



  • In 5 dim, is this true that such a lift from $Sq^1 w_2$ to the integral class $Y$
    $$
    int_5d w_2Y=0?
    $$
    or maybe
    $$
    int_5d w_2Y=0 mod 2 (?).
    $$


  • Has this relation anything to do with the Euler class or decomposition of Euler class?



My trial: It looks that if $ Y=Sq^1 w_2 mod 2$, we have
$$
Sq^1 (w_2^2)= w_2 Y +Y w_2 mod 2 .
$$
I dont know does it help to relate the above relation to
$
int_5d Sq^1 (w_2^2)=0 mod 2 (?).
$ There is an additional factor of 2 for the later equality which makes the later more trivial, but the earlier nontrivial.







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  • the formulation of question contains my thought. It is a relation I suggest may be correct in some cases, maybe generally true.
    – annie heart
    Jul 31 at 22:36











  • I add some more thoughts using Wu formula
    – annie heart
    Jul 31 at 22:46










  • Thanks, annie hart.
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If there is an integral 3rd cohomology class called Y, such that whose mod 2 reduction is the Steenrod square of the 2nd cohomology of Stiefel Whitney class, then we have
$$ Y=Sq^1 w_2 mod 2$$



  • In 5 dim, is this true that such a lift from $Sq^1 w_2$ to the integral class $Y$
    $$
    int_5d w_2Y=0?
    $$
    or maybe
    $$
    int_5d w_2Y=0 mod 2 (?).
    $$


  • Has this relation anything to do with the Euler class or decomposition of Euler class?



My trial: It looks that if $ Y=Sq^1 w_2 mod 2$, we have
$$
Sq^1 (w_2^2)= w_2 Y +Y w_2 mod 2 .
$$
I dont know does it help to relate the above relation to
$
int_5d Sq^1 (w_2^2)=0 mod 2 (?).
$ There is an additional factor of 2 for the later equality which makes the later more trivial, but the earlier nontrivial.







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  • the formulation of question contains my thought. It is a relation I suggest may be correct in some cases, maybe generally true.
    – annie heart
    Jul 31 at 22:36











  • I add some more thoughts using Wu formula
    – annie heart
    Jul 31 at 22:46










  • Thanks, annie hart.
    – amWhy
    Jul 31 at 22:47












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If there is an integral 3rd cohomology class called Y, such that whose mod 2 reduction is the Steenrod square of the 2nd cohomology of Stiefel Whitney class, then we have
$$ Y=Sq^1 w_2 mod 2$$



  • In 5 dim, is this true that such a lift from $Sq^1 w_2$ to the integral class $Y$
    $$
    int_5d w_2Y=0?
    $$
    or maybe
    $$
    int_5d w_2Y=0 mod 2 (?).
    $$


  • Has this relation anything to do with the Euler class or decomposition of Euler class?



My trial: It looks that if $ Y=Sq^1 w_2 mod 2$, we have
$$
Sq^1 (w_2^2)= w_2 Y +Y w_2 mod 2 .
$$
I dont know does it help to relate the above relation to
$
int_5d Sq^1 (w_2^2)=0 mod 2 (?).
$ There is an additional factor of 2 for the later equality which makes the later more trivial, but the earlier nontrivial.







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If there is an integral 3rd cohomology class called Y, such that whose mod 2 reduction is the Steenrod square of the 2nd cohomology of Stiefel Whitney class, then we have
$$ Y=Sq^1 w_2 mod 2$$



  • In 5 dim, is this true that such a lift from $Sq^1 w_2$ to the integral class $Y$
    $$
    int_5d w_2Y=0?
    $$
    or maybe
    $$
    int_5d w_2Y=0 mod 2 (?).
    $$


  • Has this relation anything to do with the Euler class or decomposition of Euler class?



My trial: It looks that if $ Y=Sq^1 w_2 mod 2$, we have
$$
Sq^1 (w_2^2)= w_2 Y +Y w_2 mod 2 .
$$
I dont know does it help to relate the above relation to
$
int_5d Sq^1 (w_2^2)=0 mod 2 (?).
$ There is an additional factor of 2 for the later equality which makes the later more trivial, but the earlier nontrivial.









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  • the formulation of question contains my thought. It is a relation I suggest may be correct in some cases, maybe generally true.
    – annie heart
    Jul 31 at 22:36











  • I add some more thoughts using Wu formula
    – annie heart
    Jul 31 at 22:46










  • Thanks, annie hart.
    – amWhy
    Jul 31 at 22:47
















  • the formulation of question contains my thought. It is a relation I suggest may be correct in some cases, maybe generally true.
    – annie heart
    Jul 31 at 22:36











  • I add some more thoughts using Wu formula
    – annie heart
    Jul 31 at 22:46










  • Thanks, annie hart.
    – amWhy
    Jul 31 at 22:47















the formulation of question contains my thought. It is a relation I suggest may be correct in some cases, maybe generally true.
– annie heart
Jul 31 at 22:36





the formulation of question contains my thought. It is a relation I suggest may be correct in some cases, maybe generally true.
– annie heart
Jul 31 at 22:36













I add some more thoughts using Wu formula
– annie heart
Jul 31 at 22:46




I add some more thoughts using Wu formula
– annie heart
Jul 31 at 22:46












Thanks, annie hart.
– amWhy
Jul 31 at 22:47




Thanks, annie hart.
– amWhy
Jul 31 at 22:47










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There is always a Bockstein connecting homomorphism $delta:H^n(X;mathbbZ_2)rightarrow H^n+1(X;mathbbZ)$ induced by the short exact sequence of coefficients $mathbbZxrightarrowtimes 2 mathbbZxrightarrowred_2 mathbbZ_2$.



The composition $red_2circdelta:H^n(X;mathbbZ_2)rightarrow H^n+1(X;mathbbZ)rightarrow H^n+1(X;mathbbZ_2)$ coincides with the operation $Sq^1$.



Since $omega_2in H^2(BO(n);mathbbZ_2)congmathbbZ_2$ is a generator satisfying $Sq^1omega_2=omega_3neq 0$, the class $deltaomega_2in H^3(BO(n);mathbbZ)$ is non-trivial. Since $H^3(BO(n);mathbbZ)cong Ext(H_2(BO(n);mathbbZ)),mathbbZ)cong mathbbZ_2$ by the Universal Coefficient Theorem, it must be that $deltaomega_2$ is a generator. This is exactly the class you have called $Y$. As noted above, its mod 2 reduction is $Sq^1omega_2=omega_3$.



The relation has nothing to do with the Euler class, since it is present already in $BO(3)$ (clearly not in $BO(2)$, however).



And with regards to your last comment, note that $Sq^1(omega_2^2)=2,omega_2cdot Sq^1omega_2=2omega_2cdot omega_3=0$, which is the same as $Ycdotomega_2+omega_2cdot Y=2,Ycdotomega_2equiv 0mod 2$.



Edit: I'm afraid I don't know what your $int_5domega_2 Y$ notation means. If you explain it, maybe I can edit in the details you are looking for.



Since you are reducing mod 2, then why not use $red_2(Y)=omega_3$? Then you are looking for the evaluation



$$langle omega_2omega_3,[M^5]rangleinmathbbZ_2$$



of $omega_2omega_3$ against the fundamental class of a given 5-manifold $M=M^5$. According to Wikipedia this particular Stiefel-Whitney number is called the de Rham Invariant of $M$ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Rham_invariant). There are other ways to characterise this invariant, and you can read about them in the paper "Semi-Characteristics and Cobordism "by Lusztig, Milnor and Peterson, (available here https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/82791020.pdf).



I haven't read their paper completely, so don't know if they give any 5-dimensional examples, but I managed to find the Wu Manifold



$$M^5=SU(3)/SO(3).$$



This is an orientable simply-connected 5-manifold with



$$H^*(M;mathbbZ_2)=mathbbZ_2[x_2,x_3]/(x_2^2,x_3^2),qquad Sq^1x_2=x_3,$$



where $x_iin H^i(M;mathbbZ_2)$. We have $omega_2(M)=x_2$ and therefore $omega_3(M)=Sq^1omega_2(M)=x_3$. Since $x_2x_3$ generates $H^5(M;mathbbZ_2)$ we have



$$langle omega_2omega_3,[M^5]rangleneq 0.$$






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  • Thanks +1, I mean, by lifting $Sq^1 w_1$ to $Y$ as an integral cohomology class, then evaluating the $int w_2 Y$, in any 5d manifold within the mod 2 cohomology class
    – annie heart
    Aug 1 at 14:01










  • @annieheart, as requested....
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There is always a Bockstein connecting homomorphism $delta:H^n(X;mathbbZ_2)rightarrow H^n+1(X;mathbbZ)$ induced by the short exact sequence of coefficients $mathbbZxrightarrowtimes 2 mathbbZxrightarrowred_2 mathbbZ_2$.



The composition $red_2circdelta:H^n(X;mathbbZ_2)rightarrow H^n+1(X;mathbbZ)rightarrow H^n+1(X;mathbbZ_2)$ coincides with the operation $Sq^1$.



Since $omega_2in H^2(BO(n);mathbbZ_2)congmathbbZ_2$ is a generator satisfying $Sq^1omega_2=omega_3neq 0$, the class $deltaomega_2in H^3(BO(n);mathbbZ)$ is non-trivial. Since $H^3(BO(n);mathbbZ)cong Ext(H_2(BO(n);mathbbZ)),mathbbZ)cong mathbbZ_2$ by the Universal Coefficient Theorem, it must be that $deltaomega_2$ is a generator. This is exactly the class you have called $Y$. As noted above, its mod 2 reduction is $Sq^1omega_2=omega_3$.



The relation has nothing to do with the Euler class, since it is present already in $BO(3)$ (clearly not in $BO(2)$, however).



And with regards to your last comment, note that $Sq^1(omega_2^2)=2,omega_2cdot Sq^1omega_2=2omega_2cdot omega_3=0$, which is the same as $Ycdotomega_2+omega_2cdot Y=2,Ycdotomega_2equiv 0mod 2$.



Edit: I'm afraid I don't know what your $int_5domega_2 Y$ notation means. If you explain it, maybe I can edit in the details you are looking for.



Since you are reducing mod 2, then why not use $red_2(Y)=omega_3$? Then you are looking for the evaluation



$$langle omega_2omega_3,[M^5]rangleinmathbbZ_2$$



of $omega_2omega_3$ against the fundamental class of a given 5-manifold $M=M^5$. According to Wikipedia this particular Stiefel-Whitney number is called the de Rham Invariant of $M$ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Rham_invariant). There are other ways to characterise this invariant, and you can read about them in the paper "Semi-Characteristics and Cobordism "by Lusztig, Milnor and Peterson, (available here https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/82791020.pdf).



I haven't read their paper completely, so don't know if they give any 5-dimensional examples, but I managed to find the Wu Manifold



$$M^5=SU(3)/SO(3).$$



This is an orientable simply-connected 5-manifold with



$$H^*(M;mathbbZ_2)=mathbbZ_2[x_2,x_3]/(x_2^2,x_3^2),qquad Sq^1x_2=x_3,$$



where $x_iin H^i(M;mathbbZ_2)$. We have $omega_2(M)=x_2$ and therefore $omega_3(M)=Sq^1omega_2(M)=x_3$. Since $x_2x_3$ generates $H^5(M;mathbbZ_2)$ we have



$$langle omega_2omega_3,[M^5]rangleneq 0.$$






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  • Thanks +1, I mean, by lifting $Sq^1 w_1$ to $Y$ as an integral cohomology class, then evaluating the $int w_2 Y$, in any 5d manifold within the mod 2 cohomology class
    – annie heart
    Aug 1 at 14:01










  • @annieheart, as requested....
    – Tyrone
    Aug 1 at 17:07














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There is always a Bockstein connecting homomorphism $delta:H^n(X;mathbbZ_2)rightarrow H^n+1(X;mathbbZ)$ induced by the short exact sequence of coefficients $mathbbZxrightarrowtimes 2 mathbbZxrightarrowred_2 mathbbZ_2$.



The composition $red_2circdelta:H^n(X;mathbbZ_2)rightarrow H^n+1(X;mathbbZ)rightarrow H^n+1(X;mathbbZ_2)$ coincides with the operation $Sq^1$.



Since $omega_2in H^2(BO(n);mathbbZ_2)congmathbbZ_2$ is a generator satisfying $Sq^1omega_2=omega_3neq 0$, the class $deltaomega_2in H^3(BO(n);mathbbZ)$ is non-trivial. Since $H^3(BO(n);mathbbZ)cong Ext(H_2(BO(n);mathbbZ)),mathbbZ)cong mathbbZ_2$ by the Universal Coefficient Theorem, it must be that $deltaomega_2$ is a generator. This is exactly the class you have called $Y$. As noted above, its mod 2 reduction is $Sq^1omega_2=omega_3$.



The relation has nothing to do with the Euler class, since it is present already in $BO(3)$ (clearly not in $BO(2)$, however).



And with regards to your last comment, note that $Sq^1(omega_2^2)=2,omega_2cdot Sq^1omega_2=2omega_2cdot omega_3=0$, which is the same as $Ycdotomega_2+omega_2cdot Y=2,Ycdotomega_2equiv 0mod 2$.



Edit: I'm afraid I don't know what your $int_5domega_2 Y$ notation means. If you explain it, maybe I can edit in the details you are looking for.



Since you are reducing mod 2, then why not use $red_2(Y)=omega_3$? Then you are looking for the evaluation



$$langle omega_2omega_3,[M^5]rangleinmathbbZ_2$$



of $omega_2omega_3$ against the fundamental class of a given 5-manifold $M=M^5$. According to Wikipedia this particular Stiefel-Whitney number is called the de Rham Invariant of $M$ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Rham_invariant). There are other ways to characterise this invariant, and you can read about them in the paper "Semi-Characteristics and Cobordism "by Lusztig, Milnor and Peterson, (available here https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/82791020.pdf).



I haven't read their paper completely, so don't know if they give any 5-dimensional examples, but I managed to find the Wu Manifold



$$M^5=SU(3)/SO(3).$$



This is an orientable simply-connected 5-manifold with



$$H^*(M;mathbbZ_2)=mathbbZ_2[x_2,x_3]/(x_2^2,x_3^2),qquad Sq^1x_2=x_3,$$



where $x_iin H^i(M;mathbbZ_2)$. We have $omega_2(M)=x_2$ and therefore $omega_3(M)=Sq^1omega_2(M)=x_3$. Since $x_2x_3$ generates $H^5(M;mathbbZ_2)$ we have



$$langle omega_2omega_3,[M^5]rangleneq 0.$$






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  • Thanks +1, I mean, by lifting $Sq^1 w_1$ to $Y$ as an integral cohomology class, then evaluating the $int w_2 Y$, in any 5d manifold within the mod 2 cohomology class
    – annie heart
    Aug 1 at 14:01










  • @annieheart, as requested....
    – Tyrone
    Aug 1 at 17:07












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up vote
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There is always a Bockstein connecting homomorphism $delta:H^n(X;mathbbZ_2)rightarrow H^n+1(X;mathbbZ)$ induced by the short exact sequence of coefficients $mathbbZxrightarrowtimes 2 mathbbZxrightarrowred_2 mathbbZ_2$.



The composition $red_2circdelta:H^n(X;mathbbZ_2)rightarrow H^n+1(X;mathbbZ)rightarrow H^n+1(X;mathbbZ_2)$ coincides with the operation $Sq^1$.



Since $omega_2in H^2(BO(n);mathbbZ_2)congmathbbZ_2$ is a generator satisfying $Sq^1omega_2=omega_3neq 0$, the class $deltaomega_2in H^3(BO(n);mathbbZ)$ is non-trivial. Since $H^3(BO(n);mathbbZ)cong Ext(H_2(BO(n);mathbbZ)),mathbbZ)cong mathbbZ_2$ by the Universal Coefficient Theorem, it must be that $deltaomega_2$ is a generator. This is exactly the class you have called $Y$. As noted above, its mod 2 reduction is $Sq^1omega_2=omega_3$.



The relation has nothing to do with the Euler class, since it is present already in $BO(3)$ (clearly not in $BO(2)$, however).



And with regards to your last comment, note that $Sq^1(omega_2^2)=2,omega_2cdot Sq^1omega_2=2omega_2cdot omega_3=0$, which is the same as $Ycdotomega_2+omega_2cdot Y=2,Ycdotomega_2equiv 0mod 2$.



Edit: I'm afraid I don't know what your $int_5domega_2 Y$ notation means. If you explain it, maybe I can edit in the details you are looking for.



Since you are reducing mod 2, then why not use $red_2(Y)=omega_3$? Then you are looking for the evaluation



$$langle omega_2omega_3,[M^5]rangleinmathbbZ_2$$



of $omega_2omega_3$ against the fundamental class of a given 5-manifold $M=M^5$. According to Wikipedia this particular Stiefel-Whitney number is called the de Rham Invariant of $M$ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Rham_invariant). There are other ways to characterise this invariant, and you can read about them in the paper "Semi-Characteristics and Cobordism "by Lusztig, Milnor and Peterson, (available here https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/82791020.pdf).



I haven't read their paper completely, so don't know if they give any 5-dimensional examples, but I managed to find the Wu Manifold



$$M^5=SU(3)/SO(3).$$



This is an orientable simply-connected 5-manifold with



$$H^*(M;mathbbZ_2)=mathbbZ_2[x_2,x_3]/(x_2^2,x_3^2),qquad Sq^1x_2=x_3,$$



where $x_iin H^i(M;mathbbZ_2)$. We have $omega_2(M)=x_2$ and therefore $omega_3(M)=Sq^1omega_2(M)=x_3$. Since $x_2x_3$ generates $H^5(M;mathbbZ_2)$ we have



$$langle omega_2omega_3,[M^5]rangleneq 0.$$






share|cite|improve this answer















There is always a Bockstein connecting homomorphism $delta:H^n(X;mathbbZ_2)rightarrow H^n+1(X;mathbbZ)$ induced by the short exact sequence of coefficients $mathbbZxrightarrowtimes 2 mathbbZxrightarrowred_2 mathbbZ_2$.



The composition $red_2circdelta:H^n(X;mathbbZ_2)rightarrow H^n+1(X;mathbbZ)rightarrow H^n+1(X;mathbbZ_2)$ coincides with the operation $Sq^1$.



Since $omega_2in H^2(BO(n);mathbbZ_2)congmathbbZ_2$ is a generator satisfying $Sq^1omega_2=omega_3neq 0$, the class $deltaomega_2in H^3(BO(n);mathbbZ)$ is non-trivial. Since $H^3(BO(n);mathbbZ)cong Ext(H_2(BO(n);mathbbZ)),mathbbZ)cong mathbbZ_2$ by the Universal Coefficient Theorem, it must be that $deltaomega_2$ is a generator. This is exactly the class you have called $Y$. As noted above, its mod 2 reduction is $Sq^1omega_2=omega_3$.



The relation has nothing to do with the Euler class, since it is present already in $BO(3)$ (clearly not in $BO(2)$, however).



And with regards to your last comment, note that $Sq^1(omega_2^2)=2,omega_2cdot Sq^1omega_2=2omega_2cdot omega_3=0$, which is the same as $Ycdotomega_2+omega_2cdot Y=2,Ycdotomega_2equiv 0mod 2$.



Edit: I'm afraid I don't know what your $int_5domega_2 Y$ notation means. If you explain it, maybe I can edit in the details you are looking for.



Since you are reducing mod 2, then why not use $red_2(Y)=omega_3$? Then you are looking for the evaluation



$$langle omega_2omega_3,[M^5]rangleinmathbbZ_2$$



of $omega_2omega_3$ against the fundamental class of a given 5-manifold $M=M^5$. According to Wikipedia this particular Stiefel-Whitney number is called the de Rham Invariant of $M$ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Rham_invariant). There are other ways to characterise this invariant, and you can read about them in the paper "Semi-Characteristics and Cobordism "by Lusztig, Milnor and Peterson, (available here https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/82791020.pdf).



I haven't read their paper completely, so don't know if they give any 5-dimensional examples, but I managed to find the Wu Manifold



$$M^5=SU(3)/SO(3).$$



This is an orientable simply-connected 5-manifold with



$$H^*(M;mathbbZ_2)=mathbbZ_2[x_2,x_3]/(x_2^2,x_3^2),qquad Sq^1x_2=x_3,$$



where $x_iin H^i(M;mathbbZ_2)$. We have $omega_2(M)=x_2$ and therefore $omega_3(M)=Sq^1omega_2(M)=x_3$. Since $x_2x_3$ generates $H^5(M;mathbbZ_2)$ we have



$$langle omega_2omega_3,[M^5]rangleneq 0.$$







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  • Thanks +1, I mean, by lifting $Sq^1 w_1$ to $Y$ as an integral cohomology class, then evaluating the $int w_2 Y$, in any 5d manifold within the mod 2 cohomology class
    – annie heart
    Aug 1 at 14:01










  • @annieheart, as requested....
    – Tyrone
    Aug 1 at 17:07
















  • Thanks +1, I mean, by lifting $Sq^1 w_1$ to $Y$ as an integral cohomology class, then evaluating the $int w_2 Y$, in any 5d manifold within the mod 2 cohomology class
    – annie heart
    Aug 1 at 14:01










  • @annieheart, as requested....
    – Tyrone
    Aug 1 at 17:07















Thanks +1, I mean, by lifting $Sq^1 w_1$ to $Y$ as an integral cohomology class, then evaluating the $int w_2 Y$, in any 5d manifold within the mod 2 cohomology class
– annie heart
Aug 1 at 14:01




Thanks +1, I mean, by lifting $Sq^1 w_1$ to $Y$ as an integral cohomology class, then evaluating the $int w_2 Y$, in any 5d manifold within the mod 2 cohomology class
– annie heart
Aug 1 at 14:01












@annieheart, as requested....
– Tyrone
Aug 1 at 17:07




@annieheart, as requested....
– Tyrone
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