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Let $(X,d)$ be an infinite metric space satisfying H1 or H2 or both.
H1: (All continuous functions on X to $mathbbR$ are bounded.)
If $f: XtomathbbR$ is continuous on $X$, then $f(x)$ is bounded.
H2: (All continuous functions on $X$ to $mathbbR$ attain a maximum.)
If $f: XtomathbbR$ is continuous on $X$, then there exists at least one point $p in X $ such that $f(p) geq f(x)$ for every $x in X. $
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Does H1 only or does H2 only imply $X$ is compact?
Do H1 and H2 together imply $X$ is compact?
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I know " If $X$ is compact then all continuous functions on $X$ to $mathbbR$ are bounded " and " If $X$ is compact then all continuous functions on $X$ to $mathbbR$ attain a maximum ". I am just curious about whether or not the converse still hold.
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Let $(X,d)$ be an infinite metric space satisfying H1 or H2 or both.
H1: (All continuous functions on X to $mathbbR$ are bounded.)
If $f: XtomathbbR$ is continuous on $X$, then $f(x)$ is bounded.
H2: (All continuous functions on $X$ to $mathbbR$ attain a maximum.)
If $f: XtomathbbR$ is continuous on $X$, then there exists at least one point $p in X $ such that $f(p) geq f(x)$ for every $x in X. $
Question
Does H1 only or does H2 only imply $X$ is compact?
Do H1 and H2 together imply $X$ is compact?
Note:
I know " If $X$ is compact then all continuous functions on $X$ to $mathbbR$ are bounded " and " If $X$ is compact then all continuous functions on $X$ to $mathbbR$ attain a maximum ". I am just curious about whether or not the converse still hold.
real-analysis general-topology continuity compactness
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You mean "converse" not "contrapositive."
â saulspatz
Jul 25 at 15:20
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See math.stackexchange.com/questions/114123/â¦
â Wraith1995
Jul 25 at 15:20
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For metric spaces, each of H1 and H2 implies compactness. Here is H1. For general topological spaces (even locally compact Hausdorff spaces), this is not the case, $omega_1$ (the first uncountable ordinal) is an example of a locally compact Hausdorff space with H1 and H2 that isn't compact.
â Daniel Fischerâ¦
Jul 25 at 15:33
Thank you @Wraith1995 :-)
â JI-ZHAN HUANG
Jul 25 at 15:35
Thank you @DanielFischer :-)
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Jul 25 at 15:36
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Let $(X,d)$ be an infinite metric space satisfying H1 or H2 or both.
H1: (All continuous functions on X to $mathbbR$ are bounded.)
If $f: XtomathbbR$ is continuous on $X$, then $f(x)$ is bounded.
H2: (All continuous functions on $X$ to $mathbbR$ attain a maximum.)
If $f: XtomathbbR$ is continuous on $X$, then there exists at least one point $p in X $ such that $f(p) geq f(x)$ for every $x in X. $
Question
Does H1 only or does H2 only imply $X$ is compact?
Do H1 and H2 together imply $X$ is compact?
Note:
I know " If $X$ is compact then all continuous functions on $X$ to $mathbbR$ are bounded " and " If $X$ is compact then all continuous functions on $X$ to $mathbbR$ attain a maximum ". I am just curious about whether or not the converse still hold.
real-analysis general-topology continuity compactness
Let $(X,d)$ be an infinite metric space satisfying H1 or H2 or both.
H1: (All continuous functions on X to $mathbbR$ are bounded.)
If $f: XtomathbbR$ is continuous on $X$, then $f(x)$ is bounded.
H2: (All continuous functions on $X$ to $mathbbR$ attain a maximum.)
If $f: XtomathbbR$ is continuous on $X$, then there exists at least one point $p in X $ such that $f(p) geq f(x)$ for every $x in X. $
Question
Does H1 only or does H2 only imply $X$ is compact?
Do H1 and H2 together imply $X$ is compact?
Note:
I know " If $X$ is compact then all continuous functions on $X$ to $mathbbR$ are bounded " and " If $X$ is compact then all continuous functions on $X$ to $mathbbR$ attain a maximum ". I am just curious about whether or not the converse still hold.
real-analysis general-topology continuity compactness
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You mean "converse" not "contrapositive."
â saulspatz
Jul 25 at 15:20
6
See math.stackexchange.com/questions/114123/â¦
â Wraith1995
Jul 25 at 15:20
2
For metric spaces, each of H1 and H2 implies compactness. Here is H1. For general topological spaces (even locally compact Hausdorff spaces), this is not the case, $omega_1$ (the first uncountable ordinal) is an example of a locally compact Hausdorff space with H1 and H2 that isn't compact.
â Daniel Fischerâ¦
Jul 25 at 15:33
Thank you @Wraith1995 :-)
â JI-ZHAN HUANG
Jul 25 at 15:35
Thank you @DanielFischer :-)
â JI-ZHAN HUANG
Jul 25 at 15:36
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You mean "converse" not "contrapositive."
â saulspatz
Jul 25 at 15:20
6
See math.stackexchange.com/questions/114123/â¦
â Wraith1995
Jul 25 at 15:20
2
For metric spaces, each of H1 and H2 implies compactness. Here is H1. For general topological spaces (even locally compact Hausdorff spaces), this is not the case, $omega_1$ (the first uncountable ordinal) is an example of a locally compact Hausdorff space with H1 and H2 that isn't compact.
â Daniel Fischerâ¦
Jul 25 at 15:33
Thank you @Wraith1995 :-)
â JI-ZHAN HUANG
Jul 25 at 15:35
Thank you @DanielFischer :-)
â JI-ZHAN HUANG
Jul 25 at 15:36
3
3
You mean "converse" not "contrapositive."
â saulspatz
Jul 25 at 15:20
You mean "converse" not "contrapositive."
â saulspatz
Jul 25 at 15:20
6
6
See math.stackexchange.com/questions/114123/â¦
â Wraith1995
Jul 25 at 15:20
See math.stackexchange.com/questions/114123/â¦
â Wraith1995
Jul 25 at 15:20
2
2
For metric spaces, each of H1 and H2 implies compactness. Here is H1. For general topological spaces (even locally compact Hausdorff spaces), this is not the case, $omega_1$ (the first uncountable ordinal) is an example of a locally compact Hausdorff space with H1 and H2 that isn't compact.
â Daniel Fischerâ¦
Jul 25 at 15:33
For metric spaces, each of H1 and H2 implies compactness. Here is H1. For general topological spaces (even locally compact Hausdorff spaces), this is not the case, $omega_1$ (the first uncountable ordinal) is an example of a locally compact Hausdorff space with H1 and H2 that isn't compact.
â Daniel Fischerâ¦
Jul 25 at 15:33
Thank you @Wraith1995 :-)
â JI-ZHAN HUANG
Jul 25 at 15:35
Thank you @Wraith1995 :-)
â JI-ZHAN HUANG
Jul 25 at 15:35
Thank you @DanielFischer :-)
â JI-ZHAN HUANG
Jul 25 at 15:36
Thank you @DanielFischer :-)
â JI-ZHAN HUANG
Jul 25 at 15:36
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Properties H1 and H2 are defined for arbitrary toplogical spaces $X$. If $X$ satisfies H1, it is called pseudocompact. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudocompact_space.
Clearly H2 implies H1. The converse holds for Tychonoff-spaces (= completely regular spaces). See Theorem 27 in
Hewitt, Edwin. "Rings of real-valued continuous functions. I." Transactions of the American Mathematical Society 64.1 (1948): 45-99
Theorem 30 in this paper states that a normal space is pseudocompact if and only if it is compact.
This gives a complete answer to your question.
It's not clear to me that H2 implies H1. Couldn't $f$ be only bounded above? Would you be willing to clarify that?
â Todd Wilcox
Jul 25 at 18:18
@ToddWilcox The function $-f$ is continuous as well, hence attains its maximum, which is (minus) minimum for $f$.
â A.ÃÂ.
Jul 25 at 18:27
@A.ÃÂ. Are we taking it as given that $X$ is compact? If $X$ is not compact then it seems that H2 does not imply H1. For example, if $X=mathbbR$ and $f$ is a parabola opening downwards, then it has a maximum and no minimum. Ohhh. .Ohh.. I see. All continuous functions. So if $f$ is continuous then $-f$ is also continuous and must have a maximum. My brain is apparently not responding to caffeine today.
â Todd Wilcox
Jul 25 at 18:33
@ToddWilcox If $f$ is continuous, then also $lvert f rvert$ is continuous and must attain a maximum. Thus $f$ is bounded.
â Paul Frost
Jul 25 at 18:53
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H1 $Longrightarrow (X$ is compact).
Suppose $X$ is not compact. Then there is a sequence $x_n in X$ with no subsequence that converges in $X$. (For a metric space, "compact" and "sequentially compact" are equivalent.) Taking a subsequence, we may assume WLOG that all $x_n$ are distinct. The set $E= x_n : n in mathbb N$ is closed in $X$. The set $E$ has the discrete topology. The unbounded function $x_n mapsto n$ is therefore continuous on $E$. A continuous real-valued function on a closed subset of a metric space extends to a continuous real-valued function on the whole space. That will be an unbounded continuous function on $X$.
As noted, H2 $Longrightarrow$ H1 is easy, so we also get
H2 $Longrightarrow (X$ is compact).
[I would guess this was known for metric spaces long before Hewitt's great paper in 1948; and the substance of Hewitt's paper was exploring what happens in non-meric spaces.]
I agree with your guess concerning metric spaces. In fact, proofs are fairly simple in this case. However, Hewitt identified pseudocompactness as a property interesting in its own right and clarified its status among the large variety of compactness concepts.
â Paul Frost
Jul 26 at 14:18
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Properties H1 and H2 are defined for arbitrary toplogical spaces $X$. If $X$ satisfies H1, it is called pseudocompact. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudocompact_space.
Clearly H2 implies H1. The converse holds for Tychonoff-spaces (= completely regular spaces). See Theorem 27 in
Hewitt, Edwin. "Rings of real-valued continuous functions. I." Transactions of the American Mathematical Society 64.1 (1948): 45-99
Theorem 30 in this paper states that a normal space is pseudocompact if and only if it is compact.
This gives a complete answer to your question.
It's not clear to me that H2 implies H1. Couldn't $f$ be only bounded above? Would you be willing to clarify that?
â Todd Wilcox
Jul 25 at 18:18
@ToddWilcox The function $-f$ is continuous as well, hence attains its maximum, which is (minus) minimum for $f$.
â A.ÃÂ.
Jul 25 at 18:27
@A.ÃÂ. Are we taking it as given that $X$ is compact? If $X$ is not compact then it seems that H2 does not imply H1. For example, if $X=mathbbR$ and $f$ is a parabola opening downwards, then it has a maximum and no minimum. Ohhh. .Ohh.. I see. All continuous functions. So if $f$ is continuous then $-f$ is also continuous and must have a maximum. My brain is apparently not responding to caffeine today.
â Todd Wilcox
Jul 25 at 18:33
@ToddWilcox If $f$ is continuous, then also $lvert f rvert$ is continuous and must attain a maximum. Thus $f$ is bounded.
â Paul Frost
Jul 25 at 18:53
add a comment |Â
up vote
3
down vote
Properties H1 and H2 are defined for arbitrary toplogical spaces $X$. If $X$ satisfies H1, it is called pseudocompact. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudocompact_space.
Clearly H2 implies H1. The converse holds for Tychonoff-spaces (= completely regular spaces). See Theorem 27 in
Hewitt, Edwin. "Rings of real-valued continuous functions. I." Transactions of the American Mathematical Society 64.1 (1948): 45-99
Theorem 30 in this paper states that a normal space is pseudocompact if and only if it is compact.
This gives a complete answer to your question.
It's not clear to me that H2 implies H1. Couldn't $f$ be only bounded above? Would you be willing to clarify that?
â Todd Wilcox
Jul 25 at 18:18
@ToddWilcox The function $-f$ is continuous as well, hence attains its maximum, which is (minus) minimum for $f$.
â A.ÃÂ.
Jul 25 at 18:27
@A.ÃÂ. Are we taking it as given that $X$ is compact? If $X$ is not compact then it seems that H2 does not imply H1. For example, if $X=mathbbR$ and $f$ is a parabola opening downwards, then it has a maximum and no minimum. Ohhh. .Ohh.. I see. All continuous functions. So if $f$ is continuous then $-f$ is also continuous and must have a maximum. My brain is apparently not responding to caffeine today.
â Todd Wilcox
Jul 25 at 18:33
@ToddWilcox If $f$ is continuous, then also $lvert f rvert$ is continuous and must attain a maximum. Thus $f$ is bounded.
â Paul Frost
Jul 25 at 18:53
add a comment |Â
up vote
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up vote
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Properties H1 and H2 are defined for arbitrary toplogical spaces $X$. If $X$ satisfies H1, it is called pseudocompact. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudocompact_space.
Clearly H2 implies H1. The converse holds for Tychonoff-spaces (= completely regular spaces). See Theorem 27 in
Hewitt, Edwin. "Rings of real-valued continuous functions. I." Transactions of the American Mathematical Society 64.1 (1948): 45-99
Theorem 30 in this paper states that a normal space is pseudocompact if and only if it is compact.
This gives a complete answer to your question.
Properties H1 and H2 are defined for arbitrary toplogical spaces $X$. If $X$ satisfies H1, it is called pseudocompact. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudocompact_space.
Clearly H2 implies H1. The converse holds for Tychonoff-spaces (= completely regular spaces). See Theorem 27 in
Hewitt, Edwin. "Rings of real-valued continuous functions. I." Transactions of the American Mathematical Society 64.1 (1948): 45-99
Theorem 30 in this paper states that a normal space is pseudocompact if and only if it is compact.
This gives a complete answer to your question.
edited Jul 26 at 12:58
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Paul Frost
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It's not clear to me that H2 implies H1. Couldn't $f$ be only bounded above? Would you be willing to clarify that?
â Todd Wilcox
Jul 25 at 18:18
@ToddWilcox The function $-f$ is continuous as well, hence attains its maximum, which is (minus) minimum for $f$.
â A.ÃÂ.
Jul 25 at 18:27
@A.ÃÂ. Are we taking it as given that $X$ is compact? If $X$ is not compact then it seems that H2 does not imply H1. For example, if $X=mathbbR$ and $f$ is a parabola opening downwards, then it has a maximum and no minimum. Ohhh. .Ohh.. I see. All continuous functions. So if $f$ is continuous then $-f$ is also continuous and must have a maximum. My brain is apparently not responding to caffeine today.
â Todd Wilcox
Jul 25 at 18:33
@ToddWilcox If $f$ is continuous, then also $lvert f rvert$ is continuous and must attain a maximum. Thus $f$ is bounded.
â Paul Frost
Jul 25 at 18:53
add a comment |Â
It's not clear to me that H2 implies H1. Couldn't $f$ be only bounded above? Would you be willing to clarify that?
â Todd Wilcox
Jul 25 at 18:18
@ToddWilcox The function $-f$ is continuous as well, hence attains its maximum, which is (minus) minimum for $f$.
â A.ÃÂ.
Jul 25 at 18:27
@A.ÃÂ. Are we taking it as given that $X$ is compact? If $X$ is not compact then it seems that H2 does not imply H1. For example, if $X=mathbbR$ and $f$ is a parabola opening downwards, then it has a maximum and no minimum. Ohhh. .Ohh.. I see. All continuous functions. So if $f$ is continuous then $-f$ is also continuous and must have a maximum. My brain is apparently not responding to caffeine today.
â Todd Wilcox
Jul 25 at 18:33
@ToddWilcox If $f$ is continuous, then also $lvert f rvert$ is continuous and must attain a maximum. Thus $f$ is bounded.
â Paul Frost
Jul 25 at 18:53
It's not clear to me that H2 implies H1. Couldn't $f$ be only bounded above? Would you be willing to clarify that?
â Todd Wilcox
Jul 25 at 18:18
It's not clear to me that H2 implies H1. Couldn't $f$ be only bounded above? Would you be willing to clarify that?
â Todd Wilcox
Jul 25 at 18:18
@ToddWilcox The function $-f$ is continuous as well, hence attains its maximum, which is (minus) minimum for $f$.
â A.ÃÂ.
Jul 25 at 18:27
@ToddWilcox The function $-f$ is continuous as well, hence attains its maximum, which is (minus) minimum for $f$.
â A.ÃÂ.
Jul 25 at 18:27
@A.ÃÂ. Are we taking it as given that $X$ is compact? If $X$ is not compact then it seems that H2 does not imply H1. For example, if $X=mathbbR$ and $f$ is a parabola opening downwards, then it has a maximum and no minimum. Ohhh. .Ohh.. I see. All continuous functions. So if $f$ is continuous then $-f$ is also continuous and must have a maximum. My brain is apparently not responding to caffeine today.
â Todd Wilcox
Jul 25 at 18:33
@A.ÃÂ. Are we taking it as given that $X$ is compact? If $X$ is not compact then it seems that H2 does not imply H1. For example, if $X=mathbbR$ and $f$ is a parabola opening downwards, then it has a maximum and no minimum. Ohhh. .Ohh.. I see. All continuous functions. So if $f$ is continuous then $-f$ is also continuous and must have a maximum. My brain is apparently not responding to caffeine today.
â Todd Wilcox
Jul 25 at 18:33
@ToddWilcox If $f$ is continuous, then also $lvert f rvert$ is continuous and must attain a maximum. Thus $f$ is bounded.
â Paul Frost
Jul 25 at 18:53
@ToddWilcox If $f$ is continuous, then also $lvert f rvert$ is continuous and must attain a maximum. Thus $f$ is bounded.
â Paul Frost
Jul 25 at 18:53
add a comment |Â
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H1 $Longrightarrow (X$ is compact).
Suppose $X$ is not compact. Then there is a sequence $x_n in X$ with no subsequence that converges in $X$. (For a metric space, "compact" and "sequentially compact" are equivalent.) Taking a subsequence, we may assume WLOG that all $x_n$ are distinct. The set $E= x_n : n in mathbb N$ is closed in $X$. The set $E$ has the discrete topology. The unbounded function $x_n mapsto n$ is therefore continuous on $E$. A continuous real-valued function on a closed subset of a metric space extends to a continuous real-valued function on the whole space. That will be an unbounded continuous function on $X$.
As noted, H2 $Longrightarrow$ H1 is easy, so we also get
H2 $Longrightarrow (X$ is compact).
[I would guess this was known for metric spaces long before Hewitt's great paper in 1948; and the substance of Hewitt's paper was exploring what happens in non-meric spaces.]
I agree with your guess concerning metric spaces. In fact, proofs are fairly simple in this case. However, Hewitt identified pseudocompactness as a property interesting in its own right and clarified its status among the large variety of compactness concepts.
â Paul Frost
Jul 26 at 14:18
add a comment |Â
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H1 $Longrightarrow (X$ is compact).
Suppose $X$ is not compact. Then there is a sequence $x_n in X$ with no subsequence that converges in $X$. (For a metric space, "compact" and "sequentially compact" are equivalent.) Taking a subsequence, we may assume WLOG that all $x_n$ are distinct. The set $E= x_n : n in mathbb N$ is closed in $X$. The set $E$ has the discrete topology. The unbounded function $x_n mapsto n$ is therefore continuous on $E$. A continuous real-valued function on a closed subset of a metric space extends to a continuous real-valued function on the whole space. That will be an unbounded continuous function on $X$.
As noted, H2 $Longrightarrow$ H1 is easy, so we also get
H2 $Longrightarrow (X$ is compact).
[I would guess this was known for metric spaces long before Hewitt's great paper in 1948; and the substance of Hewitt's paper was exploring what happens in non-meric spaces.]
I agree with your guess concerning metric spaces. In fact, proofs are fairly simple in this case. However, Hewitt identified pseudocompactness as a property interesting in its own right and clarified its status among the large variety of compactness concepts.
â Paul Frost
Jul 26 at 14:18
add a comment |Â
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H1 $Longrightarrow (X$ is compact).
Suppose $X$ is not compact. Then there is a sequence $x_n in X$ with no subsequence that converges in $X$. (For a metric space, "compact" and "sequentially compact" are equivalent.) Taking a subsequence, we may assume WLOG that all $x_n$ are distinct. The set $E= x_n : n in mathbb N$ is closed in $X$. The set $E$ has the discrete topology. The unbounded function $x_n mapsto n$ is therefore continuous on $E$. A continuous real-valued function on a closed subset of a metric space extends to a continuous real-valued function on the whole space. That will be an unbounded continuous function on $X$.
As noted, H2 $Longrightarrow$ H1 is easy, so we also get
H2 $Longrightarrow (X$ is compact).
[I would guess this was known for metric spaces long before Hewitt's great paper in 1948; and the substance of Hewitt's paper was exploring what happens in non-meric spaces.]
H1 $Longrightarrow (X$ is compact).
Suppose $X$ is not compact. Then there is a sequence $x_n in X$ with no subsequence that converges in $X$. (For a metric space, "compact" and "sequentially compact" are equivalent.) Taking a subsequence, we may assume WLOG that all $x_n$ are distinct. The set $E= x_n : n in mathbb N$ is closed in $X$. The set $E$ has the discrete topology. The unbounded function $x_n mapsto n$ is therefore continuous on $E$. A continuous real-valued function on a closed subset of a metric space extends to a continuous real-valued function on the whole space. That will be an unbounded continuous function on $X$.
As noted, H2 $Longrightarrow$ H1 is easy, so we also get
H2 $Longrightarrow (X$ is compact).
[I would guess this was known for metric spaces long before Hewitt's great paper in 1948; and the substance of Hewitt's paper was exploring what happens in non-meric spaces.]
answered Jul 26 at 13:45
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I agree with your guess concerning metric spaces. In fact, proofs are fairly simple in this case. However, Hewitt identified pseudocompactness as a property interesting in its own right and clarified its status among the large variety of compactness concepts.
â Paul Frost
Jul 26 at 14:18
add a comment |Â
I agree with your guess concerning metric spaces. In fact, proofs are fairly simple in this case. However, Hewitt identified pseudocompactness as a property interesting in its own right and clarified its status among the large variety of compactness concepts.
â Paul Frost
Jul 26 at 14:18
I agree with your guess concerning metric spaces. In fact, proofs are fairly simple in this case. However, Hewitt identified pseudocompactness as a property interesting in its own right and clarified its status among the large variety of compactness concepts.
â Paul Frost
Jul 26 at 14:18
I agree with your guess concerning metric spaces. In fact, proofs are fairly simple in this case. However, Hewitt identified pseudocompactness as a property interesting in its own right and clarified its status among the large variety of compactness concepts.
â Paul Frost
Jul 26 at 14:18
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You mean "converse" not "contrapositive."
â saulspatz
Jul 25 at 15:20
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See math.stackexchange.com/questions/114123/â¦
â Wraith1995
Jul 25 at 15:20
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For metric spaces, each of H1 and H2 implies compactness. Here is H1. For general topological spaces (even locally compact Hausdorff spaces), this is not the case, $omega_1$ (the first uncountable ordinal) is an example of a locally compact Hausdorff space with H1 and H2 that isn't compact.
â Daniel Fischerâ¦
Jul 25 at 15:33
Thank you @Wraith1995 :-)
â JI-ZHAN HUANG
Jul 25 at 15:35
Thank you @DanielFischer :-)
â JI-ZHAN HUANG
Jul 25 at 15:36