Maximal Free Subgroup

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Let $G$ be a group, and let $H$ be (the/a) maximal free subgroup of $G$.



Q1) Is the maximal free subgroup unique?



Q2) If $G$ has $m$ non-trivial generators then $H$ can have at most $m$ non-trivial generators. Is that true?



Thanks. I am new to free groups.



So far the examples that I can think of seems that it is true. For e.g. $G=mathbbZ*(mathbbZ/2)*(mathbbZ/3)$, generated by 3 generators, then $H$=$mathbbZ$, with 1 generator.




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    Do you know that $Bbb Z_2*Bbb Z_3=SL_2(Bbb Z)/pm1!!1$?
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Let $G$ be a group, and let $H$ be (the/a) maximal free subgroup of $G$.



Q1) Is the maximal free subgroup unique?



Q2) If $G$ has $m$ non-trivial generators then $H$ can have at most $m$ non-trivial generators. Is that true?



Thanks. I am new to free groups.



So far the examples that I can think of seems that it is true. For e.g. $G=mathbbZ*(mathbbZ/2)*(mathbbZ/3)$, generated by 3 generators, then $H$=$mathbbZ$, with 1 generator.




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    Do you know that $Bbb Z_2*Bbb Z_3=SL_2(Bbb Z)/pm1!!1$?
    – janmarqz
    Jul 23 at 19:01










  • @janmarqz No, this is new to me.
    – yoyostein
    Jul 24 at 3:03












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Let $G$ be a group, and let $H$ be (the/a) maximal free subgroup of $G$.



Q1) Is the maximal free subgroup unique?



Q2) If $G$ has $m$ non-trivial generators then $H$ can have at most $m$ non-trivial generators. Is that true?



Thanks. I am new to free groups.



So far the examples that I can think of seems that it is true. For e.g. $G=mathbbZ*(mathbbZ/2)*(mathbbZ/3)$, generated by 3 generators, then $H$=$mathbbZ$, with 1 generator.




abstract-algebra group-theory free-groups




share|cite|improve this question











Let $G$ be a group, and let $H$ be (the/a) maximal free subgroup of $G$.



Q1) Is the maximal free subgroup unique?



Q2) If $G$ has $m$ non-trivial generators then $H$ can have at most $m$ non-trivial generators. Is that true?



Thanks. I am new to free groups.



So far the examples that I can think of seems that it is true. For e.g. $G=mathbbZ*(mathbbZ/2)*(mathbbZ/3)$, generated by 3 generators, then $H$=$mathbbZ$, with 1 generator.





abstract-algebra group-theory free-groups





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    Do you know that $Bbb Z_2*Bbb Z_3=SL_2(Bbb Z)/pm1!!1$?
    – janmarqz
    Jul 23 at 19:01










  • @janmarqz No, this is new to me.
    – yoyostein
    Jul 24 at 3:03












  • 1




    Do you know that $Bbb Z_2*Bbb Z_3=SL_2(Bbb Z)/pm1!!1$?
    – janmarqz
    Jul 23 at 19:01










  • @janmarqz No, this is new to me.
    – yoyostein
    Jul 24 at 3:03







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Do you know that $Bbb Z_2*Bbb Z_3=SL_2(Bbb Z)/pm1!!1$?
– janmarqz
Jul 23 at 19:01




Do you know that $Bbb Z_2*Bbb Z_3=SL_2(Bbb Z)/pm1!!1$?
– janmarqz
Jul 23 at 19:01












@janmarqz No, this is new to me.
– yoyostein
Jul 24 at 3:03




@janmarqz No, this is new to me.
– yoyostein
Jul 24 at 3:03















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