Non-linear path between symplectic forms in $mathbbR^4$

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Give an example of a pair of symplectic forms $omega_0,omega_1$ in $mathbbR^4$, which:



$1)$ induce the same orientation (i.e., the volume forms $omega_0wedgeomega_0$ and $omega_1wedgeomega_1$ provide the same orientation)



$2)$ have some degenerate convex combination (i.e., $omega_t:=(1-t)omega_0+tomega_1$ is degenerate for some $tin[0,1]$)



$3)$ admit a smooth $1$-parameter family of symplectic forms joining them (i.e., symplectic forms $eta_t$ varying smoothly on $t$ with $eta_0=omega_0$ and $eta_1=omega_1$)




Consider the forms:



$$omega_0:=dxwedge dy+dzwedge dw+dxwedge dz$$
$$omega_1:=dxwedge dy+dzwedge dw+4 dywedge dw$$



They define the same orientation and are both symplectic because:



$$omega_0wedgeomega_0=omega_1wedgeomega_1=2dxwedge dywedge dzwedge dw$$



Furthermore, we can check that $omega_twedgeomega_t=2(1-2t)^2dxwedge dywedge dzwedge dw$, so $omega_t$ is degenerate $Leftrightarrow t=1/2$.



Geometrically, I have a strong feeling that we can find $eta_t_t$ by taking the segment between $omega_0$ and $omega_1$ and making a slight deviation around the point $omega_1/2$.



How could I do this formally?







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    Give an example of a pair of symplectic forms $omega_0,omega_1$ in $mathbbR^4$, which:



    $1)$ induce the same orientation (i.e., the volume forms $omega_0wedgeomega_0$ and $omega_1wedgeomega_1$ provide the same orientation)



    $2)$ have some degenerate convex combination (i.e., $omega_t:=(1-t)omega_0+tomega_1$ is degenerate for some $tin[0,1]$)



    $3)$ admit a smooth $1$-parameter family of symplectic forms joining them (i.e., symplectic forms $eta_t$ varying smoothly on $t$ with $eta_0=omega_0$ and $eta_1=omega_1$)




    Consider the forms:



    $$omega_0:=dxwedge dy+dzwedge dw+dxwedge dz$$
    $$omega_1:=dxwedge dy+dzwedge dw+4 dywedge dw$$



    They define the same orientation and are both symplectic because:



    $$omega_0wedgeomega_0=omega_1wedgeomega_1=2dxwedge dywedge dzwedge dw$$



    Furthermore, we can check that $omega_twedgeomega_t=2(1-2t)^2dxwedge dywedge dzwedge dw$, so $omega_t$ is degenerate $Leftrightarrow t=1/2$.



    Geometrically, I have a strong feeling that we can find $eta_t_t$ by taking the segment between $omega_0$ and $omega_1$ and making a slight deviation around the point $omega_1/2$.



    How could I do this formally?







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      Give an example of a pair of symplectic forms $omega_0,omega_1$ in $mathbbR^4$, which:



      $1)$ induce the same orientation (i.e., the volume forms $omega_0wedgeomega_0$ and $omega_1wedgeomega_1$ provide the same orientation)



      $2)$ have some degenerate convex combination (i.e., $omega_t:=(1-t)omega_0+tomega_1$ is degenerate for some $tin[0,1]$)



      $3)$ admit a smooth $1$-parameter family of symplectic forms joining them (i.e., symplectic forms $eta_t$ varying smoothly on $t$ with $eta_0=omega_0$ and $eta_1=omega_1$)




      Consider the forms:



      $$omega_0:=dxwedge dy+dzwedge dw+dxwedge dz$$
      $$omega_1:=dxwedge dy+dzwedge dw+4 dywedge dw$$



      They define the same orientation and are both symplectic because:



      $$omega_0wedgeomega_0=omega_1wedgeomega_1=2dxwedge dywedge dzwedge dw$$



      Furthermore, we can check that $omega_twedgeomega_t=2(1-2t)^2dxwedge dywedge dzwedge dw$, so $omega_t$ is degenerate $Leftrightarrow t=1/2$.



      Geometrically, I have a strong feeling that we can find $eta_t_t$ by taking the segment between $omega_0$ and $omega_1$ and making a slight deviation around the point $omega_1/2$.



      How could I do this formally?







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      Give an example of a pair of symplectic forms $omega_0,omega_1$ in $mathbbR^4$, which:



      $1)$ induce the same orientation (i.e., the volume forms $omega_0wedgeomega_0$ and $omega_1wedgeomega_1$ provide the same orientation)



      $2)$ have some degenerate convex combination (i.e., $omega_t:=(1-t)omega_0+tomega_1$ is degenerate for some $tin[0,1]$)



      $3)$ admit a smooth $1$-parameter family of symplectic forms joining them (i.e., symplectic forms $eta_t$ varying smoothly on $t$ with $eta_0=omega_0$ and $eta_1=omega_1$)




      Consider the forms:



      $$omega_0:=dxwedge dy+dzwedge dw+dxwedge dz$$
      $$omega_1:=dxwedge dy+dzwedge dw+4 dywedge dw$$



      They define the same orientation and are both symplectic because:



      $$omega_0wedgeomega_0=omega_1wedgeomega_1=2dxwedge dywedge dzwedge dw$$



      Furthermore, we can check that $omega_twedgeomega_t=2(1-2t)^2dxwedge dywedge dzwedge dw$, so $omega_t$ is degenerate $Leftrightarrow t=1/2$.



      Geometrically, I have a strong feeling that we can find $eta_t_t$ by taking the segment between $omega_0$ and $omega_1$ and making a slight deviation around the point $omega_1/2$.



      How could I do this formally?









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          The specific factors $1$ in $1. dx wedge dz$ and $4$ in $4. dy wedge dw$ were not important in order to make $omega_0$ and $omega_1$ symplectic forms with the same orientation. Change these two factors for $t$-dependent functions themselves, for instance



          $$ omega_0(t) = dx wedge dy + dz wedge dw - 2(t-1/2) dx wedge dz , , \ omega_1(t) = dx wedge dy + dz wedge dw + 8(t-1/2) dy wedge dw , .$$



          The forms $omega'_t = (1-t) omega_0(t) + t omega_1(t)$ are such that $omega'_0 = omega_0(0) = omega_0$ and $omega'_1 = omega_1(1) = omega_1$, and they are all nondegenerate for $t in [0,1]$ since
          $$ omega'_t wedge omega'_t = 2(1 + undersetge , 0 mbox for t in [0,1]underbrace16t(1-t)(t-1/2)^2) , dx wedge dy wedge dz wedge dw ; . $$



          (Dividing $omega'_t$ by $sqrt1 + 16t(1-t)(t-1/2)^2$ then yields a path $omega''_t$ with constant associated volume form, if that matters to you.)






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            The specific factors $1$ in $1. dx wedge dz$ and $4$ in $4. dy wedge dw$ were not important in order to make $omega_0$ and $omega_1$ symplectic forms with the same orientation. Change these two factors for $t$-dependent functions themselves, for instance



            $$ omega_0(t) = dx wedge dy + dz wedge dw - 2(t-1/2) dx wedge dz , , \ omega_1(t) = dx wedge dy + dz wedge dw + 8(t-1/2) dy wedge dw , .$$



            The forms $omega'_t = (1-t) omega_0(t) + t omega_1(t)$ are such that $omega'_0 = omega_0(0) = omega_0$ and $omega'_1 = omega_1(1) = omega_1$, and they are all nondegenerate for $t in [0,1]$ since
            $$ omega'_t wedge omega'_t = 2(1 + undersetge , 0 mbox for t in [0,1]underbrace16t(1-t)(t-1/2)^2) , dx wedge dy wedge dz wedge dw ; . $$



            (Dividing $omega'_t$ by $sqrt1 + 16t(1-t)(t-1/2)^2$ then yields a path $omega''_t$ with constant associated volume form, if that matters to you.)






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              The specific factors $1$ in $1. dx wedge dz$ and $4$ in $4. dy wedge dw$ were not important in order to make $omega_0$ and $omega_1$ symplectic forms with the same orientation. Change these two factors for $t$-dependent functions themselves, for instance



              $$ omega_0(t) = dx wedge dy + dz wedge dw - 2(t-1/2) dx wedge dz , , \ omega_1(t) = dx wedge dy + dz wedge dw + 8(t-1/2) dy wedge dw , .$$



              The forms $omega'_t = (1-t) omega_0(t) + t omega_1(t)$ are such that $omega'_0 = omega_0(0) = omega_0$ and $omega'_1 = omega_1(1) = omega_1$, and they are all nondegenerate for $t in [0,1]$ since
              $$ omega'_t wedge omega'_t = 2(1 + undersetge , 0 mbox for t in [0,1]underbrace16t(1-t)(t-1/2)^2) , dx wedge dy wedge dz wedge dw ; . $$



              (Dividing $omega'_t$ by $sqrt1 + 16t(1-t)(t-1/2)^2$ then yields a path $omega''_t$ with constant associated volume form, if that matters to you.)






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                The specific factors $1$ in $1. dx wedge dz$ and $4$ in $4. dy wedge dw$ were not important in order to make $omega_0$ and $omega_1$ symplectic forms with the same orientation. Change these two factors for $t$-dependent functions themselves, for instance



                $$ omega_0(t) = dx wedge dy + dz wedge dw - 2(t-1/2) dx wedge dz , , \ omega_1(t) = dx wedge dy + dz wedge dw + 8(t-1/2) dy wedge dw , .$$



                The forms $omega'_t = (1-t) omega_0(t) + t omega_1(t)$ are such that $omega'_0 = omega_0(0) = omega_0$ and $omega'_1 = omega_1(1) = omega_1$, and they are all nondegenerate for $t in [0,1]$ since
                $$ omega'_t wedge omega'_t = 2(1 + undersetge , 0 mbox for t in [0,1]underbrace16t(1-t)(t-1/2)^2) , dx wedge dy wedge dz wedge dw ; . $$



                (Dividing $omega'_t$ by $sqrt1 + 16t(1-t)(t-1/2)^2$ then yields a path $omega''_t$ with constant associated volume form, if that matters to you.)






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                The specific factors $1$ in $1. dx wedge dz$ and $4$ in $4. dy wedge dw$ were not important in order to make $omega_0$ and $omega_1$ symplectic forms with the same orientation. Change these two factors for $t$-dependent functions themselves, for instance



                $$ omega_0(t) = dx wedge dy + dz wedge dw - 2(t-1/2) dx wedge dz , , \ omega_1(t) = dx wedge dy + dz wedge dw + 8(t-1/2) dy wedge dw , .$$



                The forms $omega'_t = (1-t) omega_0(t) + t omega_1(t)$ are such that $omega'_0 = omega_0(0) = omega_0$ and $omega'_1 = omega_1(1) = omega_1$, and they are all nondegenerate for $t in [0,1]$ since
                $$ omega'_t wedge omega'_t = 2(1 + undersetge , 0 mbox for t in [0,1]underbrace16t(1-t)(t-1/2)^2) , dx wedge dy wedge dz wedge dw ; . $$



                (Dividing $omega'_t$ by $sqrt1 + 16t(1-t)(t-1/2)^2$ then yields a path $omega''_t$ with constant associated volume form, if that matters to you.)







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