Proving $frac1sin(A/2)+frac1sin(B/2)+frac1sin(C/2)ge 6$, where $A$, $B$, $C$ are angles of a triangle [duplicate]

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If $A$, $B$, and $C$ are the angles of a triangle, then $$frac1sin left(fracA2right)+frac1sinleft(fracB2right)+frac1sinleft(fracC2right)ge 6$$




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If $A$, $B$, and $C$ are the angles of a triangle, then $$frac1sin left(fracA2right)+frac1sinleft(fracB2right)+frac1sinleft(fracC2right)ge 6$$




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If $A$, $B$, and $C$ are the angles of a triangle, then $$frac1sin left(fracA2right)+frac1sinleft(fracB2right)+frac1sinleft(fracC2right)ge 6$$




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HINT:



Consider
$$fleft( x right)=1/sin left( fracx2 right);,quad 0<x<pi $$



It easy to verify that $f''left( x right)>0$ and we have a convex function. Now Using Jensen’s inequality:
$$frac13fleft( fracA2 right)+frac13fleft( fracB2 right)+frac13fleft( fracC2 right)ge fleft( frac13fracA2+frac13fracB2+frac13fracC2 right)$$






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A Pure Geometric Proof



Let $I$ be the incenter of $triangle ABC$, $r$ be the radius of the incircle. Then $$dfracrsindfracA2+dfracrsindfracB2+dfracrsindfracC2=IA+IB+IC.tag1$$



Now, let's apply Erdos-Mordell Inequality,which states that:




from a point $P$ inside a given $triangle ABC$, the perpendiculars $PX,
PY, PZ$ are drawn to its sides. Then



$$PA+PB+PC≥2(PX+PY+PZ).$$




Thus, we instantly have



$$IA+IB+ICgeq 2(r+r+r)=6r.tag2$$
Combining $(1)$ and $(2)$, we readily obtain what we want to prove.






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    We have that



    $$f(x)=frac1sin x$$



    is convex then by Jensen's inequality



    $$fracfrac1sin left( fracA2 right)+frac1sin left( fracB2 right)+frac1sin left( fracC2 right)3ge frac1sinleft(fracA+B+C6right)$$



    and then



    $$frac1sin left( fracA2 right)+frac1sin left( fracB2 right)+frac1sin left( fracC2 right)ge frac3sinleft(fracA+B+C6right)=6$$






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      Also, by AM-GM in the standard notation we obtain:
      $$sum_cycfrac1sinfracalpha2geqfrac3sqrt[3]prodlimits_cycsinfracalpha2=frac3sqrt[3]fracr4Rgeqfrac3sqrt[3]frac14cdot2=6.$$






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      We use $$sinleft(fracA2right)=sqrtfrac(s-b)(s-c)bc$$ etc then we get by AM-GM:
      $$frac13left(sqrtfracbc(s-b)(s-c)+sqrtfracac(s-a)(s-c)+sqrtfracab(s-a)(s-b)right)geq sqrt[3]fracabc(s-a)(s-b)(s-c)geq 2$$
      if $$fracabc(s-a)(s-b)(s-c)geq 8$$



      and this is $$abcgeq (-a+b+c)(a-b+c)(a+b-c)$$
      using the Substitution



      $$a=y+z,b=x+z,c=x+y$$



      we get



      $$(x+y)(x+z)(z+x)geq 8xyz$$ and this is AM-GM!
      Note that $$s=fraca+b+c2$$






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        Applying Lagrange Multipliers shows that $$ sin(A/2) + sin (B/2) + sin (B/2)$$ is maximized when the triangle is equilateral in which case we have $$ sin(A/2) + sin (B/2) + sin (B/2)=3/2$$



        The Arithmetic Harmonic inequality implies $$frac1sin left( fracA2 right)+frac1sin left( fracB2 right)+frac1sin left( fracC2 right)ge frac9sin(A/2) +sin(B/2)+sin(C/2)ge frac 9(3/2)=6$$






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          HINT:



          Consider
          $$fleft( x right)=1/sin left( fracx2 right);,quad 0<x<pi $$



          It easy to verify that $f''left( x right)>0$ and we have a convex function. Now Using Jensen’s inequality:
          $$frac13fleft( fracA2 right)+frac13fleft( fracB2 right)+frac13fleft( fracC2 right)ge fleft( frac13fracA2+frac13fracB2+frac13fracC2 right)$$






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          HINT:



          Consider
          $$fleft( x right)=1/sin left( fracx2 right);,quad 0<x<pi $$



          It easy to verify that $f''left( x right)>0$ and we have a convex function. Now Using Jensen’s inequality:
          $$frac13fleft( fracA2 right)+frac13fleft( fracB2 right)+frac13fleft( fracC2 right)ge fleft( frac13fracA2+frac13fracB2+frac13fracC2 right)$$






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          HINT:



          Consider
          $$fleft( x right)=1/sin left( fracx2 right);,quad 0<x<pi $$



          It easy to verify that $f''left( x right)>0$ and we have a convex function. Now Using Jensen’s inequality:
          $$frac13fleft( fracA2 right)+frac13fleft( fracB2 right)+frac13fleft( fracC2 right)ge fleft( frac13fracA2+frac13fracB2+frac13fracC2 right)$$






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          HINT:



          Consider
          $$fleft( x right)=1/sin left( fracx2 right);,quad 0<x<pi $$



          It easy to verify that $f''left( x right)>0$ and we have a convex function. Now Using Jensen’s inequality:
          $$frac13fleft( fracA2 right)+frac13fleft( fracB2 right)+frac13fleft( fracC2 right)ge fleft( frac13fracA2+frac13fracB2+frac13fracC2 right)$$







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          thanks man this is simple after some show you the solution
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          A Pure Geometric Proof



          Let $I$ be the incenter of $triangle ABC$, $r$ be the radius of the incircle. Then $$dfracrsindfracA2+dfracrsindfracB2+dfracrsindfracC2=IA+IB+IC.tag1$$



          Now, let's apply Erdos-Mordell Inequality,which states that:




          from a point $P$ inside a given $triangle ABC$, the perpendiculars $PX,
          PY, PZ$ are drawn to its sides. Then



          $$PA+PB+PC≥2(PX+PY+PZ).$$




          Thus, we instantly have



          $$IA+IB+ICgeq 2(r+r+r)=6r.tag2$$
          Combining $(1)$ and $(2)$, we readily obtain what we want to prove.






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            A Pure Geometric Proof



            Let $I$ be the incenter of $triangle ABC$, $r$ be the radius of the incircle. Then $$dfracrsindfracA2+dfracrsindfracB2+dfracrsindfracC2=IA+IB+IC.tag1$$



            Now, let's apply Erdos-Mordell Inequality,which states that:




            from a point $P$ inside a given $triangle ABC$, the perpendiculars $PX,
            PY, PZ$ are drawn to its sides. Then



            $$PA+PB+PC≥2(PX+PY+PZ).$$




            Thus, we instantly have



            $$IA+IB+ICgeq 2(r+r+r)=6r.tag2$$
            Combining $(1)$ and $(2)$, we readily obtain what we want to prove.






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              A Pure Geometric Proof



              Let $I$ be the incenter of $triangle ABC$, $r$ be the radius of the incircle. Then $$dfracrsindfracA2+dfracrsindfracB2+dfracrsindfracC2=IA+IB+IC.tag1$$



              Now, let's apply Erdos-Mordell Inequality,which states that:




              from a point $P$ inside a given $triangle ABC$, the perpendiculars $PX,
              PY, PZ$ are drawn to its sides. Then



              $$PA+PB+PC≥2(PX+PY+PZ).$$




              Thus, we instantly have



              $$IA+IB+ICgeq 2(r+r+r)=6r.tag2$$
              Combining $(1)$ and $(2)$, we readily obtain what we want to prove.






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              A Pure Geometric Proof



              Let $I$ be the incenter of $triangle ABC$, $r$ be the radius of the incircle. Then $$dfracrsindfracA2+dfracrsindfracB2+dfracrsindfracC2=IA+IB+IC.tag1$$



              Now, let's apply Erdos-Mordell Inequality,which states that:




              from a point $P$ inside a given $triangle ABC$, the perpendiculars $PX,
              PY, PZ$ are drawn to its sides. Then



              $$PA+PB+PC≥2(PX+PY+PZ).$$




              Thus, we instantly have



              $$IA+IB+ICgeq 2(r+r+r)=6r.tag2$$
              Combining $(1)$ and $(2)$, we readily obtain what we want to prove.







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                  We have that



                  $$f(x)=frac1sin x$$



                  is convex then by Jensen's inequality



                  $$fracfrac1sin left( fracA2 right)+frac1sin left( fracB2 right)+frac1sin left( fracC2 right)3ge frac1sinleft(fracA+B+C6right)$$



                  and then



                  $$frac1sin left( fracA2 right)+frac1sin left( fracB2 right)+frac1sin left( fracC2 right)ge frac3sinleft(fracA+B+C6right)=6$$






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                    We have that



                    $$f(x)=frac1sin x$$



                    is convex then by Jensen's inequality



                    $$fracfrac1sin left( fracA2 right)+frac1sin left( fracB2 right)+frac1sin left( fracC2 right)3ge frac1sinleft(fracA+B+C6right)$$



                    and then



                    $$frac1sin left( fracA2 right)+frac1sin left( fracB2 right)+frac1sin left( fracC2 right)ge frac3sinleft(fracA+B+C6right)=6$$






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                      We have that



                      $$f(x)=frac1sin x$$



                      is convex then by Jensen's inequality



                      $$fracfrac1sin left( fracA2 right)+frac1sin left( fracB2 right)+frac1sin left( fracC2 right)3ge frac1sinleft(fracA+B+C6right)$$



                      and then



                      $$frac1sin left( fracA2 right)+frac1sin left( fracB2 right)+frac1sin left( fracC2 right)ge frac3sinleft(fracA+B+C6right)=6$$






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                      We have that



                      $$f(x)=frac1sin x$$



                      is convex then by Jensen's inequality



                      $$fracfrac1sin left( fracA2 right)+frac1sin left( fracB2 right)+frac1sin left( fracC2 right)3ge frac1sinleft(fracA+B+C6right)$$



                      and then



                      $$frac1sin left( fracA2 right)+frac1sin left( fracB2 right)+frac1sin left( fracC2 right)ge frac3sinleft(fracA+B+C6right)=6$$







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                          Also, by AM-GM in the standard notation we obtain:
                          $$sum_cycfrac1sinfracalpha2geqfrac3sqrt[3]prodlimits_cycsinfracalpha2=frac3sqrt[3]fracr4Rgeqfrac3sqrt[3]frac14cdot2=6.$$






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                          Also, by AM-GM in the standard notation we obtain:
                          $$sum_cycfrac1sinfracalpha2geqfrac3sqrt[3]prodlimits_cycsinfracalpha2=frac3sqrt[3]fracr4Rgeqfrac3sqrt[3]frac14cdot2=6.$$






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                          Also, by AM-GM in the standard notation we obtain:
                          $$sum_cycfrac1sinfracalpha2geqfrac3sqrt[3]prodlimits_cycsinfracalpha2=frac3sqrt[3]fracr4Rgeqfrac3sqrt[3]frac14cdot2=6.$$






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                          Also, by AM-GM in the standard notation we obtain:
                          $$sum_cycfrac1sinfracalpha2geqfrac3sqrt[3]prodlimits_cycsinfracalpha2=frac3sqrt[3]fracr4Rgeqfrac3sqrt[3]frac14cdot2=6.$$







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                          Why someone down vote?
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                          We use $$sinleft(fracA2right)=sqrtfrac(s-b)(s-c)bc$$ etc then we get by AM-GM:
                          $$frac13left(sqrtfracbc(s-b)(s-c)+sqrtfracac(s-a)(s-c)+sqrtfracab(s-a)(s-b)right)geq sqrt[3]fracabc(s-a)(s-b)(s-c)geq 2$$
                          if $$fracabc(s-a)(s-b)(s-c)geq 8$$



                          and this is $$abcgeq (-a+b+c)(a-b+c)(a+b-c)$$
                          using the Substitution



                          $$a=y+z,b=x+z,c=x+y$$



                          we get



                          $$(x+y)(x+z)(z+x)geq 8xyz$$ and this is AM-GM!
                          Note that $$s=fraca+b+c2$$






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                            We use $$sinleft(fracA2right)=sqrtfrac(s-b)(s-c)bc$$ etc then we get by AM-GM:
                            $$frac13left(sqrtfracbc(s-b)(s-c)+sqrtfracac(s-a)(s-c)+sqrtfracab(s-a)(s-b)right)geq sqrt[3]fracabc(s-a)(s-b)(s-c)geq 2$$
                            if $$fracabc(s-a)(s-b)(s-c)geq 8$$



                            and this is $$abcgeq (-a+b+c)(a-b+c)(a+b-c)$$
                            using the Substitution



                            $$a=y+z,b=x+z,c=x+y$$



                            we get



                            $$(x+y)(x+z)(z+x)geq 8xyz$$ and this is AM-GM!
                            Note that $$s=fraca+b+c2$$






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                              We use $$sinleft(fracA2right)=sqrtfrac(s-b)(s-c)bc$$ etc then we get by AM-GM:
                              $$frac13left(sqrtfracbc(s-b)(s-c)+sqrtfracac(s-a)(s-c)+sqrtfracab(s-a)(s-b)right)geq sqrt[3]fracabc(s-a)(s-b)(s-c)geq 2$$
                              if $$fracabc(s-a)(s-b)(s-c)geq 8$$



                              and this is $$abcgeq (-a+b+c)(a-b+c)(a+b-c)$$
                              using the Substitution



                              $$a=y+z,b=x+z,c=x+y$$



                              we get



                              $$(x+y)(x+z)(z+x)geq 8xyz$$ and this is AM-GM!
                              Note that $$s=fraca+b+c2$$






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                              We use $$sinleft(fracA2right)=sqrtfrac(s-b)(s-c)bc$$ etc then we get by AM-GM:
                              $$frac13left(sqrtfracbc(s-b)(s-c)+sqrtfracac(s-a)(s-c)+sqrtfracab(s-a)(s-b)right)geq sqrt[3]fracabc(s-a)(s-b)(s-c)geq 2$$
                              if $$fracabc(s-a)(s-b)(s-c)geq 8$$



                              and this is $$abcgeq (-a+b+c)(a-b+c)(a+b-c)$$
                              using the Substitution



                              $$a=y+z,b=x+z,c=x+y$$



                              we get



                              $$(x+y)(x+z)(z+x)geq 8xyz$$ and this is AM-GM!
                              Note that $$s=fraca+b+c2$$







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                                  Applying Lagrange Multipliers shows that $$ sin(A/2) + sin (B/2) + sin (B/2)$$ is maximized when the triangle is equilateral in which case we have $$ sin(A/2) + sin (B/2) + sin (B/2)=3/2$$



                                  The Arithmetic Harmonic inequality implies $$frac1sin left( fracA2 right)+frac1sin left( fracB2 right)+frac1sin left( fracC2 right)ge frac9sin(A/2) +sin(B/2)+sin(C/2)ge frac 9(3/2)=6$$






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                                    Applying Lagrange Multipliers shows that $$ sin(A/2) + sin (B/2) + sin (B/2)$$ is maximized when the triangle is equilateral in which case we have $$ sin(A/2) + sin (B/2) + sin (B/2)=3/2$$



                                    The Arithmetic Harmonic inequality implies $$frac1sin left( fracA2 right)+frac1sin left( fracB2 right)+frac1sin left( fracC2 right)ge frac9sin(A/2) +sin(B/2)+sin(C/2)ge frac 9(3/2)=6$$






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                                      Applying Lagrange Multipliers shows that $$ sin(A/2) + sin (B/2) + sin (B/2)$$ is maximized when the triangle is equilateral in which case we have $$ sin(A/2) + sin (B/2) + sin (B/2)=3/2$$



                                      The Arithmetic Harmonic inequality implies $$frac1sin left( fracA2 right)+frac1sin left( fracB2 right)+frac1sin left( fracC2 right)ge frac9sin(A/2) +sin(B/2)+sin(C/2)ge frac 9(3/2)=6$$






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                                      Applying Lagrange Multipliers shows that $$ sin(A/2) + sin (B/2) + sin (B/2)$$ is maximized when the triangle is equilateral in which case we have $$ sin(A/2) + sin (B/2) + sin (B/2)=3/2$$



                                      The Arithmetic Harmonic inequality implies $$frac1sin left( fracA2 right)+frac1sin left( fracB2 right)+frac1sin left( fracC2 right)ge frac9sin(A/2) +sin(B/2)+sin(C/2)ge frac 9(3/2)=6$$







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                                      answered Jul 25 at 20:47









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