Question regarding limits of multivariable functions - is it really zero?

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I am given the following problem in a textbook, and it's a solved problem.




Find $displaystyle lim_(x,y) to (0,0) fracx^2 y^2x^4 + 3y^4$ or justify its nonexistence.




The author justifies the nonexistence of the limit in the following way: he uses the paths $x = 0$ then $y = 0$ and then, to justify its nonexistence, $y = x$. These are the author's notes:



Since



beginalign
lim_(x,0) to (0,0) fracx^2 y^2x^4 + 3y^4 = lim_(x,0) to (0,0) fracx^2 cdot 0^2x^4 + 3 0^4 = lim_(x,0) to (0,0) frac0x^4 = 0
endalign



and



beginalign
lim_(0,y) to (0,0) fracx^2 y^2x^4 + 3y^4 = lim_(0,y) to (0,0) frac0^2 cdot y^20^4 + 3 y^4 = lim_(0,y) to (0,0) frac03y^4 = 0
endalign



but



beginalign
lim_(x,x) to (0,0) fracx^2 y^2x^4 + 3y^4 = lim_(x,x) to (0,0) fracx^2 cdot x^2x^4 + 3 x^4 = lim_(x,x) to (0,0) fracx^44x^4 = frac14
endalign



then the limit does not exist.



So my question is: are these limits



beginalign
lim_(0,y) to (0,0) frac03y^4 qquad lim_(x,0) to (0,0) frac0x^4
endalign



really equal to zero? Shouldn't they be indeterminate, given that the variable on the denominator approaches zero?







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  • Well they approach to $0$, but aren't $0$, what you should have written in the next step is that e.g. $lim 0/3y^4 = lim 0 = 0$
    – Nameless
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I am given the following problem in a textbook, and it's a solved problem.




Find $displaystyle lim_(x,y) to (0,0) fracx^2 y^2x^4 + 3y^4$ or justify its nonexistence.




The author justifies the nonexistence of the limit in the following way: he uses the paths $x = 0$ then $y = 0$ and then, to justify its nonexistence, $y = x$. These are the author's notes:



Since



beginalign
lim_(x,0) to (0,0) fracx^2 y^2x^4 + 3y^4 = lim_(x,0) to (0,0) fracx^2 cdot 0^2x^4 + 3 0^4 = lim_(x,0) to (0,0) frac0x^4 = 0
endalign



and



beginalign
lim_(0,y) to (0,0) fracx^2 y^2x^4 + 3y^4 = lim_(0,y) to (0,0) frac0^2 cdot y^20^4 + 3 y^4 = lim_(0,y) to (0,0) frac03y^4 = 0
endalign



but



beginalign
lim_(x,x) to (0,0) fracx^2 y^2x^4 + 3y^4 = lim_(x,x) to (0,0) fracx^2 cdot x^2x^4 + 3 x^4 = lim_(x,x) to (0,0) fracx^44x^4 = frac14
endalign



then the limit does not exist.



So my question is: are these limits



beginalign
lim_(0,y) to (0,0) frac03y^4 qquad lim_(x,0) to (0,0) frac0x^4
endalign



really equal to zero? Shouldn't they be indeterminate, given that the variable on the denominator approaches zero?







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  • Well they approach to $0$, but aren't $0$, what you should have written in the next step is that e.g. $lim 0/3y^4 = lim 0 = 0$
    – Nameless
    Aug 3 at 9:37












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I am given the following problem in a textbook, and it's a solved problem.




Find $displaystyle lim_(x,y) to (0,0) fracx^2 y^2x^4 + 3y^4$ or justify its nonexistence.




The author justifies the nonexistence of the limit in the following way: he uses the paths $x = 0$ then $y = 0$ and then, to justify its nonexistence, $y = x$. These are the author's notes:



Since



beginalign
lim_(x,0) to (0,0) fracx^2 y^2x^4 + 3y^4 = lim_(x,0) to (0,0) fracx^2 cdot 0^2x^4 + 3 0^4 = lim_(x,0) to (0,0) frac0x^4 = 0
endalign



and



beginalign
lim_(0,y) to (0,0) fracx^2 y^2x^4 + 3y^4 = lim_(0,y) to (0,0) frac0^2 cdot y^20^4 + 3 y^4 = lim_(0,y) to (0,0) frac03y^4 = 0
endalign



but



beginalign
lim_(x,x) to (0,0) fracx^2 y^2x^4 + 3y^4 = lim_(x,x) to (0,0) fracx^2 cdot x^2x^4 + 3 x^4 = lim_(x,x) to (0,0) fracx^44x^4 = frac14
endalign



then the limit does not exist.



So my question is: are these limits



beginalign
lim_(0,y) to (0,0) frac03y^4 qquad lim_(x,0) to (0,0) frac0x^4
endalign



really equal to zero? Shouldn't they be indeterminate, given that the variable on the denominator approaches zero?







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I am given the following problem in a textbook, and it's a solved problem.




Find $displaystyle lim_(x,y) to (0,0) fracx^2 y^2x^4 + 3y^4$ or justify its nonexistence.




The author justifies the nonexistence of the limit in the following way: he uses the paths $x = 0$ then $y = 0$ and then, to justify its nonexistence, $y = x$. These are the author's notes:



Since



beginalign
lim_(x,0) to (0,0) fracx^2 y^2x^4 + 3y^4 = lim_(x,0) to (0,0) fracx^2 cdot 0^2x^4 + 3 0^4 = lim_(x,0) to (0,0) frac0x^4 = 0
endalign



and



beginalign
lim_(0,y) to (0,0) fracx^2 y^2x^4 + 3y^4 = lim_(0,y) to (0,0) frac0^2 cdot y^20^4 + 3 y^4 = lim_(0,y) to (0,0) frac03y^4 = 0
endalign



but



beginalign
lim_(x,x) to (0,0) fracx^2 y^2x^4 + 3y^4 = lim_(x,x) to (0,0) fracx^2 cdot x^2x^4 + 3 x^4 = lim_(x,x) to (0,0) fracx^44x^4 = frac14
endalign



then the limit does not exist.



So my question is: are these limits



beginalign
lim_(0,y) to (0,0) frac03y^4 qquad lim_(x,0) to (0,0) frac0x^4
endalign



really equal to zero? Shouldn't they be indeterminate, given that the variable on the denominator approaches zero?









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  • Well they approach to $0$, but aren't $0$, what you should have written in the next step is that e.g. $lim 0/3y^4 = lim 0 = 0$
    – Nameless
    Aug 3 at 9:37
















  • Well they approach to $0$, but aren't $0$, what you should have written in the next step is that e.g. $lim 0/3y^4 = lim 0 = 0$
    – Nameless
    Aug 3 at 9:37















Well they approach to $0$, but aren't $0$, what you should have written in the next step is that e.g. $lim 0/3y^4 = lim 0 = 0$
– Nameless
Aug 3 at 9:37




Well they approach to $0$, but aren't $0$, what you should have written in the next step is that e.g. $lim 0/3y^4 = lim 0 = 0$
– Nameless
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No, both those limits are indeed defined and equal to zero.



The multivariable context is adding unnecessary "noise" here. Consider the simpler expression $$lim_xrightarrow 00over x,$$ which already captures what's going on.



Remember the precise definition of a limit. Colloquially, we often say something like "$lim_xrightarrow af(x)=L$ iff I can get $f$ to be as close as I want to $L$ just by requiring that $x$ be sufficiently close to $a$." However, this misses a very important point which is explicit in the precise formal definition: $$lim_xrightarrow af(x)=Liff forall epsilon>0exists delta>0forall x((colorred0<vert x-avert<delta)implies (vert f(x)-Lvert<epsilon)).$$ Note the "$0<$" clause in the left hand side: what this says is that we ignore the specific behavior of $f$ at exactly $a$.



This is why $lim_xrightarrow 00over x=0$, despite the bad behavior when $x$ is exactly $0$: for any $epsilon>0$, let $delta=17$ (say); then it's easy to check that for any $x$ within $17$ of $0$ but not actually equal to $0$, we have $vert0over x-0vert<epsilon$.




A reasonable question at this point is why we define limits this way. Ultimately that's a question that deserves a serious answer, but very briefly the point is that we're interested in what $f$ "ought to be" at $a$, not what it literally is. Both the derivative and the integral give great examples of this: in each case, we really want to divide by zero but that gives nonsense, so instead we look at what happens when the change in $x$ or the width of our rectangles gets really close to zero without actually being zero. This also gives a nice spin on continuity: intuitively, a function is continuous if it always is what it ought to be.






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    Indeed, $lim_limits(0,y)to (0,0) frac 03y^4 = 0$ since for all $y$ in the neighborhood of $0, f(0,y) < epsilon$



    However that is not sufficient for $lim_limits(x,y)to (0,0) frac x^2y^2x^4+3y^4$ . Because
    $lim_limits(y,y)to (0,0) = frac y^44y^4 = frac 14.$



    If the limit exists, it must be have the same value (be within $epsilon$ of it at least) for all $x,y$ in the neighborhood.






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      Both limit



      $$beginalign
      lim_(0,y) to (0,0) frac03y^4=0 qquad lim_(x,0) to (0,0) frac0x^4=0
      endalign$$



      are correct since the function $f(x,y)$ is identically zero along the trajectories with either $x=0$ or $y=0$.



      In other words, what we cannot consider is $x=y=0$ at the same time but all the trajectories with either $x=0$ or $y=0$ are admissible and consistent with the definition of limit.



      To clarify better that point see also the related Why are we allowed to cancel fractions in limits?






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        This is not answering the actual question, introduced in bold at the end of the OP: 'So my question is: are these limits [...] really equal to zero? Shouldn't they be indeterminate, given that the variable on the denominator approaches zero?"
        – Clement C.
        Aug 2 at 22:16











      • @ClementC. The answer was already contained in the point $$x=0 implies fracx^2 y^2x^4 + 3y^4=0$$ Moreover I've added a supplementary comment at the end to better aswer the main question.
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        Aug 2 at 22:19










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      No, both those limits are indeed defined and equal to zero.



      The multivariable context is adding unnecessary "noise" here. Consider the simpler expression $$lim_xrightarrow 00over x,$$ which already captures what's going on.



      Remember the precise definition of a limit. Colloquially, we often say something like "$lim_xrightarrow af(x)=L$ iff I can get $f$ to be as close as I want to $L$ just by requiring that $x$ be sufficiently close to $a$." However, this misses a very important point which is explicit in the precise formal definition: $$lim_xrightarrow af(x)=Liff forall epsilon>0exists delta>0forall x((colorred0<vert x-avert<delta)implies (vert f(x)-Lvert<epsilon)).$$ Note the "$0<$" clause in the left hand side: what this says is that we ignore the specific behavior of $f$ at exactly $a$.



      This is why $lim_xrightarrow 00over x=0$, despite the bad behavior when $x$ is exactly $0$: for any $epsilon>0$, let $delta=17$ (say); then it's easy to check that for any $x$ within $17$ of $0$ but not actually equal to $0$, we have $vert0over x-0vert<epsilon$.




      A reasonable question at this point is why we define limits this way. Ultimately that's a question that deserves a serious answer, but very briefly the point is that we're interested in what $f$ "ought to be" at $a$, not what it literally is. Both the derivative and the integral give great examples of this: in each case, we really want to divide by zero but that gives nonsense, so instead we look at what happens when the change in $x$ or the width of our rectangles gets really close to zero without actually being zero. This also gives a nice spin on continuity: intuitively, a function is continuous if it always is what it ought to be.






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        No, both those limits are indeed defined and equal to zero.



        The multivariable context is adding unnecessary "noise" here. Consider the simpler expression $$lim_xrightarrow 00over x,$$ which already captures what's going on.



        Remember the precise definition of a limit. Colloquially, we often say something like "$lim_xrightarrow af(x)=L$ iff I can get $f$ to be as close as I want to $L$ just by requiring that $x$ be sufficiently close to $a$." However, this misses a very important point which is explicit in the precise formal definition: $$lim_xrightarrow af(x)=Liff forall epsilon>0exists delta>0forall x((colorred0<vert x-avert<delta)implies (vert f(x)-Lvert<epsilon)).$$ Note the "$0<$" clause in the left hand side: what this says is that we ignore the specific behavior of $f$ at exactly $a$.



        This is why $lim_xrightarrow 00over x=0$, despite the bad behavior when $x$ is exactly $0$: for any $epsilon>0$, let $delta=17$ (say); then it's easy to check that for any $x$ within $17$ of $0$ but not actually equal to $0$, we have $vert0over x-0vert<epsilon$.




        A reasonable question at this point is why we define limits this way. Ultimately that's a question that deserves a serious answer, but very briefly the point is that we're interested in what $f$ "ought to be" at $a$, not what it literally is. Both the derivative and the integral give great examples of this: in each case, we really want to divide by zero but that gives nonsense, so instead we look at what happens when the change in $x$ or the width of our rectangles gets really close to zero without actually being zero. This also gives a nice spin on continuity: intuitively, a function is continuous if it always is what it ought to be.






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          No, both those limits are indeed defined and equal to zero.



          The multivariable context is adding unnecessary "noise" here. Consider the simpler expression $$lim_xrightarrow 00over x,$$ which already captures what's going on.



          Remember the precise definition of a limit. Colloquially, we often say something like "$lim_xrightarrow af(x)=L$ iff I can get $f$ to be as close as I want to $L$ just by requiring that $x$ be sufficiently close to $a$." However, this misses a very important point which is explicit in the precise formal definition: $$lim_xrightarrow af(x)=Liff forall epsilon>0exists delta>0forall x((colorred0<vert x-avert<delta)implies (vert f(x)-Lvert<epsilon)).$$ Note the "$0<$" clause in the left hand side: what this says is that we ignore the specific behavior of $f$ at exactly $a$.



          This is why $lim_xrightarrow 00over x=0$, despite the bad behavior when $x$ is exactly $0$: for any $epsilon>0$, let $delta=17$ (say); then it's easy to check that for any $x$ within $17$ of $0$ but not actually equal to $0$, we have $vert0over x-0vert<epsilon$.




          A reasonable question at this point is why we define limits this way. Ultimately that's a question that deserves a serious answer, but very briefly the point is that we're interested in what $f$ "ought to be" at $a$, not what it literally is. Both the derivative and the integral give great examples of this: in each case, we really want to divide by zero but that gives nonsense, so instead we look at what happens when the change in $x$ or the width of our rectangles gets really close to zero without actually being zero. This also gives a nice spin on continuity: intuitively, a function is continuous if it always is what it ought to be.






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          No, both those limits are indeed defined and equal to zero.



          The multivariable context is adding unnecessary "noise" here. Consider the simpler expression $$lim_xrightarrow 00over x,$$ which already captures what's going on.



          Remember the precise definition of a limit. Colloquially, we often say something like "$lim_xrightarrow af(x)=L$ iff I can get $f$ to be as close as I want to $L$ just by requiring that $x$ be sufficiently close to $a$." However, this misses a very important point which is explicit in the precise formal definition: $$lim_xrightarrow af(x)=Liff forall epsilon>0exists delta>0forall x((colorred0<vert x-avert<delta)implies (vert f(x)-Lvert<epsilon)).$$ Note the "$0<$" clause in the left hand side: what this says is that we ignore the specific behavior of $f$ at exactly $a$.



          This is why $lim_xrightarrow 00over x=0$, despite the bad behavior when $x$ is exactly $0$: for any $epsilon>0$, let $delta=17$ (say); then it's easy to check that for any $x$ within $17$ of $0$ but not actually equal to $0$, we have $vert0over x-0vert<epsilon$.




          A reasonable question at this point is why we define limits this way. Ultimately that's a question that deserves a serious answer, but very briefly the point is that we're interested in what $f$ "ought to be" at $a$, not what it literally is. Both the derivative and the integral give great examples of this: in each case, we really want to divide by zero but that gives nonsense, so instead we look at what happens when the change in $x$ or the width of our rectangles gets really close to zero without actually being zero. This also gives a nice spin on continuity: intuitively, a function is continuous if it always is what it ought to be.







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              Indeed, $lim_limits(0,y)to (0,0) frac 03y^4 = 0$ since for all $y$ in the neighborhood of $0, f(0,y) < epsilon$



              However that is not sufficient for $lim_limits(x,y)to (0,0) frac x^2y^2x^4+3y^4$ . Because
              $lim_limits(y,y)to (0,0) = frac y^44y^4 = frac 14.$



              If the limit exists, it must be have the same value (be within $epsilon$ of it at least) for all $x,y$ in the neighborhood.






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                Indeed, $lim_limits(0,y)to (0,0) frac 03y^4 = 0$ since for all $y$ in the neighborhood of $0, f(0,y) < epsilon$



                However that is not sufficient for $lim_limits(x,y)to (0,0) frac x^2y^2x^4+3y^4$ . Because
                $lim_limits(y,y)to (0,0) = frac y^44y^4 = frac 14.$



                If the limit exists, it must be have the same value (be within $epsilon$ of it at least) for all $x,y$ in the neighborhood.






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                  Indeed, $lim_limits(0,y)to (0,0) frac 03y^4 = 0$ since for all $y$ in the neighborhood of $0, f(0,y) < epsilon$



                  However that is not sufficient for $lim_limits(x,y)to (0,0) frac x^2y^2x^4+3y^4$ . Because
                  $lim_limits(y,y)to (0,0) = frac y^44y^4 = frac 14.$



                  If the limit exists, it must be have the same value (be within $epsilon$ of it at least) for all $x,y$ in the neighborhood.






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                  Indeed, $lim_limits(0,y)to (0,0) frac 03y^4 = 0$ since for all $y$ in the neighborhood of $0, f(0,y) < epsilon$



                  However that is not sufficient for $lim_limits(x,y)to (0,0) frac x^2y^2x^4+3y^4$ . Because
                  $lim_limits(y,y)to (0,0) = frac y^44y^4 = frac 14.$



                  If the limit exists, it must be have the same value (be within $epsilon$ of it at least) for all $x,y$ in the neighborhood.







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                      Both limit



                      $$beginalign
                      lim_(0,y) to (0,0) frac03y^4=0 qquad lim_(x,0) to (0,0) frac0x^4=0
                      endalign$$



                      are correct since the function $f(x,y)$ is identically zero along the trajectories with either $x=0$ or $y=0$.



                      In other words, what we cannot consider is $x=y=0$ at the same time but all the trajectories with either $x=0$ or $y=0$ are admissible and consistent with the definition of limit.



                      To clarify better that point see also the related Why are we allowed to cancel fractions in limits?






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                        This is not answering the actual question, introduced in bold at the end of the OP: 'So my question is: are these limits [...] really equal to zero? Shouldn't they be indeterminate, given that the variable on the denominator approaches zero?"
                        – Clement C.
                        Aug 2 at 22:16











                      • @ClementC. The answer was already contained in the point $$x=0 implies fracx^2 y^2x^4 + 3y^4=0$$ Moreover I've added a supplementary comment at the end to better aswer the main question.
                        – gimusi
                        Aug 2 at 22:19














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                      Both limit



                      $$beginalign
                      lim_(0,y) to (0,0) frac03y^4=0 qquad lim_(x,0) to (0,0) frac0x^4=0
                      endalign$$



                      are correct since the function $f(x,y)$ is identically zero along the trajectories with either $x=0$ or $y=0$.



                      In other words, what we cannot consider is $x=y=0$ at the same time but all the trajectories with either $x=0$ or $y=0$ are admissible and consistent with the definition of limit.



                      To clarify better that point see also the related Why are we allowed to cancel fractions in limits?






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                      • 1




                        This is not answering the actual question, introduced in bold at the end of the OP: 'So my question is: are these limits [...] really equal to zero? Shouldn't they be indeterminate, given that the variable on the denominator approaches zero?"
                        – Clement C.
                        Aug 2 at 22:16











                      • @ClementC. The answer was already contained in the point $$x=0 implies fracx^2 y^2x^4 + 3y^4=0$$ Moreover I've added a supplementary comment at the end to better aswer the main question.
                        – gimusi
                        Aug 2 at 22:19












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                      Both limit



                      $$beginalign
                      lim_(0,y) to (0,0) frac03y^4=0 qquad lim_(x,0) to (0,0) frac0x^4=0
                      endalign$$



                      are correct since the function $f(x,y)$ is identically zero along the trajectories with either $x=0$ or $y=0$.



                      In other words, what we cannot consider is $x=y=0$ at the same time but all the trajectories with either $x=0$ or $y=0$ are admissible and consistent with the definition of limit.



                      To clarify better that point see also the related Why are we allowed to cancel fractions in limits?






                      share|cite|improve this answer















                      Both limit



                      $$beginalign
                      lim_(0,y) to (0,0) frac03y^4=0 qquad lim_(x,0) to (0,0) frac0x^4=0
                      endalign$$



                      are correct since the function $f(x,y)$ is identically zero along the trajectories with either $x=0$ or $y=0$.



                      In other words, what we cannot consider is $x=y=0$ at the same time but all the trajectories with either $x=0$ or $y=0$ are admissible and consistent with the definition of limit.



                      To clarify better that point see also the related Why are we allowed to cancel fractions in limits?







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                        This is not answering the actual question, introduced in bold at the end of the OP: 'So my question is: are these limits [...] really equal to zero? Shouldn't they be indeterminate, given that the variable on the denominator approaches zero?"
                        – Clement C.
                        Aug 2 at 22:16











                      • @ClementC. The answer was already contained in the point $$x=0 implies fracx^2 y^2x^4 + 3y^4=0$$ Moreover I've added a supplementary comment at the end to better aswer the main question.
                        – gimusi
                        Aug 2 at 22:19












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                        This is not answering the actual question, introduced in bold at the end of the OP: 'So my question is: are these limits [...] really equal to zero? Shouldn't they be indeterminate, given that the variable on the denominator approaches zero?"
                        – Clement C.
                        Aug 2 at 22:16











                      • @ClementC. The answer was already contained in the point $$x=0 implies fracx^2 y^2x^4 + 3y^4=0$$ Moreover I've added a supplementary comment at the end to better aswer the main question.
                        – gimusi
                        Aug 2 at 22:19







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                      This is not answering the actual question, introduced in bold at the end of the OP: 'So my question is: are these limits [...] really equal to zero? Shouldn't they be indeterminate, given that the variable on the denominator approaches zero?"
                      – Clement C.
                      Aug 2 at 22:16





                      This is not answering the actual question, introduced in bold at the end of the OP: 'So my question is: are these limits [...] really equal to zero? Shouldn't they be indeterminate, given that the variable on the denominator approaches zero?"
                      – Clement C.
                      Aug 2 at 22:16













                      @ClementC. The answer was already contained in the point $$x=0 implies fracx^2 y^2x^4 + 3y^4=0$$ Moreover I've added a supplementary comment at the end to better aswer the main question.
                      – gimusi
                      Aug 2 at 22:19




                      @ClementC. The answer was already contained in the point $$x=0 implies fracx^2 y^2x^4 + 3y^4=0$$ Moreover I've added a supplementary comment at the end to better aswer the main question.
                      – gimusi
                      Aug 2 at 22:19












                       

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