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A, B, C are three towns forming a triangle. A man has to walk from one to the next, ride thence to the next, and drive thence to his starting point. He can walk, ride, and drive a mile in a, b, c minutes respectively. If he starts from B he takes $a + c - b$ hours, if he starts from C, he takes $b + a - c$ hours, and if he starts from A he takes $c + b - a$ hours. Find the length of the circuit.




I did the following in an attempt to solve it:



Let $d = AB + BC + CA$, or the perimeter of the triangle.
Then, we have the rates in miles per minute:



$$fracd60(a + c - b)$$
$$fracd60(b + a - c)$$
$$fracd60(c + b - a)$$



At this point, I wasn't sure what else I could do, because in order to find the distance, I need to know the average rate from each starting point.
The only other thing I noticed is that the sum of the hours it takes from each starting point is $a + b + c$. However, I don't think this property seems relevant right now.



If anyone can help me deduce the rates or find another approach, then I can carry out the problem from there.



Thanks.







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  • I am seeing equations of the form $frac BCa+frac CAb+frac ABc=a+c-b$ . (ignoring minutes to hours conversion). Adding these three equations gives a fairly simple expression.
    – lulu
    Jul 21 at 22:30











  • @RossMillikan I got exactly what you got (well, I persist in confusing $60$ and $frac 160$, but never mind). I don't think you can go further.
    – lulu
    Jul 21 at 22:34










  • @lulu: amd pointed out the rates are minutes per mile, not miles per minute. I'll fix my answer.
    – Ross Millikan
    Jul 21 at 22:35










  • @RossMillikan Ah, entirely missed that. Certainly simplifies things.
    – lulu
    Jul 21 at 22:38















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A, B, C are three towns forming a triangle. A man has to walk from one to the next, ride thence to the next, and drive thence to his starting point. He can walk, ride, and drive a mile in a, b, c minutes respectively. If he starts from B he takes $a + c - b$ hours, if he starts from C, he takes $b + a - c$ hours, and if he starts from A he takes $c + b - a$ hours. Find the length of the circuit.




I did the following in an attempt to solve it:



Let $d = AB + BC + CA$, or the perimeter of the triangle.
Then, we have the rates in miles per minute:



$$fracd60(a + c - b)$$
$$fracd60(b + a - c)$$
$$fracd60(c + b - a)$$



At this point, I wasn't sure what else I could do, because in order to find the distance, I need to know the average rate from each starting point.
The only other thing I noticed is that the sum of the hours it takes from each starting point is $a + b + c$. However, I don't think this property seems relevant right now.



If anyone can help me deduce the rates or find another approach, then I can carry out the problem from there.



Thanks.







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  • I am seeing equations of the form $frac BCa+frac CAb+frac ABc=a+c-b$ . (ignoring minutes to hours conversion). Adding these three equations gives a fairly simple expression.
    – lulu
    Jul 21 at 22:30











  • @RossMillikan I got exactly what you got (well, I persist in confusing $60$ and $frac 160$, but never mind). I don't think you can go further.
    – lulu
    Jul 21 at 22:34










  • @lulu: amd pointed out the rates are minutes per mile, not miles per minute. I'll fix my answer.
    – Ross Millikan
    Jul 21 at 22:35










  • @RossMillikan Ah, entirely missed that. Certainly simplifies things.
    – lulu
    Jul 21 at 22:38













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A, B, C are three towns forming a triangle. A man has to walk from one to the next, ride thence to the next, and drive thence to his starting point. He can walk, ride, and drive a mile in a, b, c minutes respectively. If he starts from B he takes $a + c - b$ hours, if he starts from C, he takes $b + a - c$ hours, and if he starts from A he takes $c + b - a$ hours. Find the length of the circuit.




I did the following in an attempt to solve it:



Let $d = AB + BC + CA$, or the perimeter of the triangle.
Then, we have the rates in miles per minute:



$$fracd60(a + c - b)$$
$$fracd60(b + a - c)$$
$$fracd60(c + b - a)$$



At this point, I wasn't sure what else I could do, because in order to find the distance, I need to know the average rate from each starting point.
The only other thing I noticed is that the sum of the hours it takes from each starting point is $a + b + c$. However, I don't think this property seems relevant right now.



If anyone can help me deduce the rates or find another approach, then I can carry out the problem from there.



Thanks.







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A, B, C are three towns forming a triangle. A man has to walk from one to the next, ride thence to the next, and drive thence to his starting point. He can walk, ride, and drive a mile in a, b, c minutes respectively. If he starts from B he takes $a + c - b$ hours, if he starts from C, he takes $b + a - c$ hours, and if he starts from A he takes $c + b - a$ hours. Find the length of the circuit.




I did the following in an attempt to solve it:



Let $d = AB + BC + CA$, or the perimeter of the triangle.
Then, we have the rates in miles per minute:



$$fracd60(a + c - b)$$
$$fracd60(b + a - c)$$
$$fracd60(c + b - a)$$



At this point, I wasn't sure what else I could do, because in order to find the distance, I need to know the average rate from each starting point.
The only other thing I noticed is that the sum of the hours it takes from each starting point is $a + b + c$. However, I don't think this property seems relevant right now.



If anyone can help me deduce the rates or find another approach, then I can carry out the problem from there.



Thanks.









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  • I am seeing equations of the form $frac BCa+frac CAb+frac ABc=a+c-b$ . (ignoring minutes to hours conversion). Adding these three equations gives a fairly simple expression.
    – lulu
    Jul 21 at 22:30











  • @RossMillikan I got exactly what you got (well, I persist in confusing $60$ and $frac 160$, but never mind). I don't think you can go further.
    – lulu
    Jul 21 at 22:34










  • @lulu: amd pointed out the rates are minutes per mile, not miles per minute. I'll fix my answer.
    – Ross Millikan
    Jul 21 at 22:35










  • @RossMillikan Ah, entirely missed that. Certainly simplifies things.
    – lulu
    Jul 21 at 22:38

















  • I am seeing equations of the form $frac BCa+frac CAb+frac ABc=a+c-b$ . (ignoring minutes to hours conversion). Adding these three equations gives a fairly simple expression.
    – lulu
    Jul 21 at 22:30











  • @RossMillikan I got exactly what you got (well, I persist in confusing $60$ and $frac 160$, but never mind). I don't think you can go further.
    – lulu
    Jul 21 at 22:34










  • @lulu: amd pointed out the rates are minutes per mile, not miles per minute. I'll fix my answer.
    – Ross Millikan
    Jul 21 at 22:35










  • @RossMillikan Ah, entirely missed that. Certainly simplifies things.
    – lulu
    Jul 21 at 22:38
















I am seeing equations of the form $frac BCa+frac CAb+frac ABc=a+c-b$ . (ignoring minutes to hours conversion). Adding these three equations gives a fairly simple expression.
– lulu
Jul 21 at 22:30





I am seeing equations of the form $frac BCa+frac CAb+frac ABc=a+c-b$ . (ignoring minutes to hours conversion). Adding these three equations gives a fairly simple expression.
– lulu
Jul 21 at 22:30













@RossMillikan I got exactly what you got (well, I persist in confusing $60$ and $frac 160$, but never mind). I don't think you can go further.
– lulu
Jul 21 at 22:34




@RossMillikan I got exactly what you got (well, I persist in confusing $60$ and $frac 160$, but never mind). I don't think you can go further.
– lulu
Jul 21 at 22:34












@lulu: amd pointed out the rates are minutes per mile, not miles per minute. I'll fix my answer.
– Ross Millikan
Jul 21 at 22:35




@lulu: amd pointed out the rates are minutes per mile, not miles per minute. I'll fix my answer.
– Ross Millikan
Jul 21 at 22:35












@RossMillikan Ah, entirely missed that. Certainly simplifies things.
– lulu
Jul 21 at 22:38





@RossMillikan Ah, entirely missed that. Certainly simplifies things.
– lulu
Jul 21 at 22:38











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Let $AB=x, BC=y, CA=z$ be the distances in miles between the towns. Then if he starts from $A$ he takes $xa+yb+ zc$ minutes, which we are told is $(c+b-a)$ hours. Using the other two as well we get $$xa+yb+ zc=60(c+b-a)\
xb+ yc+za=60(a+c-b)\
xc+ ya+ zb=60(b+a-c)$$
and we are asked to find $x+y+z$. If we add these together we get
$$(x+y+z)left(a+b+cright)=60(a+b+c)\
x+y+z=60$$






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    You’re on the right track. I would suggest keeping the three distances separate at first, so that your equations are $aBC+bCA+cAB = 60(a+c-b)$ and so on. If you add up the three equations, the left-hand side will be some multiple of $BC+CA+AB$ and the right-hand side looks like it will cancel nicely.



    Looking at it from a different angle, the man effectively travels the circuit thrice: once walking, once riding, once driving. The total time for this is (a+b+c)d, and this is equal to the sum of the given times.






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    • @RossMillikan They’re trying to be tricky. The rates are given in minutes per mile.
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    Alright, so I think I have an answer based upon what everyone has said until now:



    In $a + b + c$ minutes, the man covers 3 miles.



    Now, if he starts from each of those points and completes a circuit, of $d$ length, then he will cover $3d$ miles. His average time completing the circuit 3 times is equivalent to $60(a + c - b) + 60(b + a - c) + 60(c + b - a)$ minutes which is $60(a + b + c)$ minutes.
    Therefore, the following ratios can be stated equal:



    $$frac3a + b + c = frac3d60(a + b + c) = fracd20(a + b + c)$$



    Through basic algebra, we can then see that $d = 60$ miles.






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    • Though I do like this solution, I think the one by Ross Millikan is more elegant.
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    Imagine taking three trips , one from each vertex, the total time for the three trips is $60(a+b+c)$ minutes



    In the process of doing this you will end up travelling the entire perimeter using each mode of transportation



    Let $P$ represent the perimeter of the triangle in miles, so the time spent driving is $frac Pc $ minutes



    Equating the total time for the three trips ...
    $$frac Pa +frac Pb +frac Pc =60(a+b+c)
    \Pleft(fracbc+ac+ababcright) =60(a+b+c)
    \P=frac60abc(a+b+c)bc+ac+ab$$



    *EDIT (rates given in minutes per mile - thanks @amd )



    Let $P$ represent the perimeter of the triangle in miles, so the time spent driving is $Pc$ minutes



    Equating the total time for the three trips ...
    $$ P(a+b+c) =60(a+b+c)
    \P=60$$






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    • The rates are given in minutes per mile, not miles per minute.
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    Let $AB=x, BC=y, CA=z$ be the distances in miles between the towns. Then if he starts from $A$ he takes $xa+yb+ zc$ minutes, which we are told is $(c+b-a)$ hours. Using the other two as well we get $$xa+yb+ zc=60(c+b-a)\
    xb+ yc+za=60(a+c-b)\
    xc+ ya+ zb=60(b+a-c)$$
    and we are asked to find $x+y+z$. If we add these together we get
    $$(x+y+z)left(a+b+cright)=60(a+b+c)\
    x+y+z=60$$






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      Let $AB=x, BC=y, CA=z$ be the distances in miles between the towns. Then if he starts from $A$ he takes $xa+yb+ zc$ minutes, which we are told is $(c+b-a)$ hours. Using the other two as well we get $$xa+yb+ zc=60(c+b-a)\
      xb+ yc+za=60(a+c-b)\
      xc+ ya+ zb=60(b+a-c)$$
      and we are asked to find $x+y+z$. If we add these together we get
      $$(x+y+z)left(a+b+cright)=60(a+b+c)\
      x+y+z=60$$






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        Let $AB=x, BC=y, CA=z$ be the distances in miles between the towns. Then if he starts from $A$ he takes $xa+yb+ zc$ minutes, which we are told is $(c+b-a)$ hours. Using the other two as well we get $$xa+yb+ zc=60(c+b-a)\
        xb+ yc+za=60(a+c-b)\
        xc+ ya+ zb=60(b+a-c)$$
        and we are asked to find $x+y+z$. If we add these together we get
        $$(x+y+z)left(a+b+cright)=60(a+b+c)\
        x+y+z=60$$






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        Let $AB=x, BC=y, CA=z$ be the distances in miles between the towns. Then if he starts from $A$ he takes $xa+yb+ zc$ minutes, which we are told is $(c+b-a)$ hours. Using the other two as well we get $$xa+yb+ zc=60(c+b-a)\
        xb+ yc+za=60(a+c-b)\
        xc+ ya+ zb=60(b+a-c)$$
        and we are asked to find $x+y+z$. If we add these together we get
        $$(x+y+z)left(a+b+cright)=60(a+b+c)\
        x+y+z=60$$







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            You’re on the right track. I would suggest keeping the three distances separate at first, so that your equations are $aBC+bCA+cAB = 60(a+c-b)$ and so on. If you add up the three equations, the left-hand side will be some multiple of $BC+CA+AB$ and the right-hand side looks like it will cancel nicely.



            Looking at it from a different angle, the man effectively travels the circuit thrice: once walking, once riding, once driving. The total time for this is (a+b+c)d, and this is equal to the sum of the given times.






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            • @RossMillikan They’re trying to be tricky. The rates are given in minutes per mile.
              – amd
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            You’re on the right track. I would suggest keeping the three distances separate at first, so that your equations are $aBC+bCA+cAB = 60(a+c-b)$ and so on. If you add up the three equations, the left-hand side will be some multiple of $BC+CA+AB$ and the right-hand side looks like it will cancel nicely.



            Looking at it from a different angle, the man effectively travels the circuit thrice: once walking, once riding, once driving. The total time for this is (a+b+c)d, and this is equal to the sum of the given times.






            share|cite|improve this answer























            • @RossMillikan They’re trying to be tricky. The rates are given in minutes per mile.
              – amd
              Jul 21 at 22:34













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            up vote
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            You’re on the right track. I would suggest keeping the three distances separate at first, so that your equations are $aBC+bCA+cAB = 60(a+c-b)$ and so on. If you add up the three equations, the left-hand side will be some multiple of $BC+CA+AB$ and the right-hand side looks like it will cancel nicely.



            Looking at it from a different angle, the man effectively travels the circuit thrice: once walking, once riding, once driving. The total time for this is (a+b+c)d, and this is equal to the sum of the given times.






            share|cite|improve this answer















            You’re on the right track. I would suggest keeping the three distances separate at first, so that your equations are $aBC+bCA+cAB = 60(a+c-b)$ and so on. If you add up the three equations, the left-hand side will be some multiple of $BC+CA+AB$ and the right-hand side looks like it will cancel nicely.



            Looking at it from a different angle, the man effectively travels the circuit thrice: once walking, once riding, once driving. The total time for this is (a+b+c)d, and this is equal to the sum of the given times.







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            • @RossMillikan They’re trying to be tricky. The rates are given in minutes per mile.
              – amd
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            • @RossMillikan They’re trying to be tricky. The rates are given in minutes per mile.
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            @RossMillikan They’re trying to be tricky. The rates are given in minutes per mile.
            – amd
            Jul 21 at 22:34





            @RossMillikan They’re trying to be tricky. The rates are given in minutes per mile.
            – amd
            Jul 21 at 22:34











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            Alright, so I think I have an answer based upon what everyone has said until now:



            In $a + b + c$ minutes, the man covers 3 miles.



            Now, if he starts from each of those points and completes a circuit, of $d$ length, then he will cover $3d$ miles. His average time completing the circuit 3 times is equivalent to $60(a + c - b) + 60(b + a - c) + 60(c + b - a)$ minutes which is $60(a + b + c)$ minutes.
            Therefore, the following ratios can be stated equal:



            $$frac3a + b + c = frac3d60(a + b + c) = fracd20(a + b + c)$$



            Through basic algebra, we can then see that $d = 60$ miles.






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            • Though I do like this solution, I think the one by Ross Millikan is more elegant.
              – A Silent Cat
              Jul 21 at 22:44














            up vote
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            Alright, so I think I have an answer based upon what everyone has said until now:



            In $a + b + c$ minutes, the man covers 3 miles.



            Now, if he starts from each of those points and completes a circuit, of $d$ length, then he will cover $3d$ miles. His average time completing the circuit 3 times is equivalent to $60(a + c - b) + 60(b + a - c) + 60(c + b - a)$ minutes which is $60(a + b + c)$ minutes.
            Therefore, the following ratios can be stated equal:



            $$frac3a + b + c = frac3d60(a + b + c) = fracd20(a + b + c)$$



            Through basic algebra, we can then see that $d = 60$ miles.






            share|cite|improve this answer





















            • Though I do like this solution, I think the one by Ross Millikan is more elegant.
              – A Silent Cat
              Jul 21 at 22:44












            up vote
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            up vote
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            Alright, so I think I have an answer based upon what everyone has said until now:



            In $a + b + c$ minutes, the man covers 3 miles.



            Now, if he starts from each of those points and completes a circuit, of $d$ length, then he will cover $3d$ miles. His average time completing the circuit 3 times is equivalent to $60(a + c - b) + 60(b + a - c) + 60(c + b - a)$ minutes which is $60(a + b + c)$ minutes.
            Therefore, the following ratios can be stated equal:



            $$frac3a + b + c = frac3d60(a + b + c) = fracd20(a + b + c)$$



            Through basic algebra, we can then see that $d = 60$ miles.






            share|cite|improve this answer













            Alright, so I think I have an answer based upon what everyone has said until now:



            In $a + b + c$ minutes, the man covers 3 miles.



            Now, if he starts from each of those points and completes a circuit, of $d$ length, then he will cover $3d$ miles. His average time completing the circuit 3 times is equivalent to $60(a + c - b) + 60(b + a - c) + 60(c + b - a)$ minutes which is $60(a + b + c)$ minutes.
            Therefore, the following ratios can be stated equal:



            $$frac3a + b + c = frac3d60(a + b + c) = fracd20(a + b + c)$$



            Through basic algebra, we can then see that $d = 60$ miles.







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            • Though I do like this solution, I think the one by Ross Millikan is more elegant.
              – A Silent Cat
              Jul 21 at 22:44
















            • Though I do like this solution, I think the one by Ross Millikan is more elegant.
              – A Silent Cat
              Jul 21 at 22:44















            Though I do like this solution, I think the one by Ross Millikan is more elegant.
            – A Silent Cat
            Jul 21 at 22:44




            Though I do like this solution, I think the one by Ross Millikan is more elegant.
            – A Silent Cat
            Jul 21 at 22:44










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            Imagine taking three trips , one from each vertex, the total time for the three trips is $60(a+b+c)$ minutes



            In the process of doing this you will end up travelling the entire perimeter using each mode of transportation



            Let $P$ represent the perimeter of the triangle in miles, so the time spent driving is $frac Pc $ minutes



            Equating the total time for the three trips ...
            $$frac Pa +frac Pb +frac Pc =60(a+b+c)
            \Pleft(fracbc+ac+ababcright) =60(a+b+c)
            \P=frac60abc(a+b+c)bc+ac+ab$$



            *EDIT (rates given in minutes per mile - thanks @amd )



            Let $P$ represent the perimeter of the triangle in miles, so the time spent driving is $Pc$ minutes



            Equating the total time for the three trips ...
            $$ P(a+b+c) =60(a+b+c)
            \P=60$$






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            • The rates are given in minutes per mile, not miles per minute.
              – amd
              Jul 21 at 22:40














            up vote
            0
            down vote













            Imagine taking three trips , one from each vertex, the total time for the three trips is $60(a+b+c)$ minutes



            In the process of doing this you will end up travelling the entire perimeter using each mode of transportation



            Let $P$ represent the perimeter of the triangle in miles, so the time spent driving is $frac Pc $ minutes



            Equating the total time for the three trips ...
            $$frac Pa +frac Pb +frac Pc =60(a+b+c)
            \Pleft(fracbc+ac+ababcright) =60(a+b+c)
            \P=frac60abc(a+b+c)bc+ac+ab$$



            *EDIT (rates given in minutes per mile - thanks @amd )



            Let $P$ represent the perimeter of the triangle in miles, so the time spent driving is $Pc$ minutes



            Equating the total time for the three trips ...
            $$ P(a+b+c) =60(a+b+c)
            \P=60$$






            share|cite|improve this answer























            • The rates are given in minutes per mile, not miles per minute.
              – amd
              Jul 21 at 22:40












            up vote
            0
            down vote










            up vote
            0
            down vote









            Imagine taking three trips , one from each vertex, the total time for the three trips is $60(a+b+c)$ minutes



            In the process of doing this you will end up travelling the entire perimeter using each mode of transportation



            Let $P$ represent the perimeter of the triangle in miles, so the time spent driving is $frac Pc $ minutes



            Equating the total time for the three trips ...
            $$frac Pa +frac Pb +frac Pc =60(a+b+c)
            \Pleft(fracbc+ac+ababcright) =60(a+b+c)
            \P=frac60abc(a+b+c)bc+ac+ab$$



            *EDIT (rates given in minutes per mile - thanks @amd )



            Let $P$ represent the perimeter of the triangle in miles, so the time spent driving is $Pc$ minutes



            Equating the total time for the three trips ...
            $$ P(a+b+c) =60(a+b+c)
            \P=60$$






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            Imagine taking three trips , one from each vertex, the total time for the three trips is $60(a+b+c)$ minutes



            In the process of doing this you will end up travelling the entire perimeter using each mode of transportation



            Let $P$ represent the perimeter of the triangle in miles, so the time spent driving is $frac Pc $ minutes



            Equating the total time for the three trips ...
            $$frac Pa +frac Pb +frac Pc =60(a+b+c)
            \Pleft(fracbc+ac+ababcright) =60(a+b+c)
            \P=frac60abc(a+b+c)bc+ac+ab$$



            *EDIT (rates given in minutes per mile - thanks @amd )



            Let $P$ represent the perimeter of the triangle in miles, so the time spent driving is $Pc$ minutes



            Equating the total time for the three trips ...
            $$ P(a+b+c) =60(a+b+c)
            \P=60$$







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            • The rates are given in minutes per mile, not miles per minute.
              – amd
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            • The rates are given in minutes per mile, not miles per minute.
              – amd
              Jul 21 at 22:40















            The rates are given in minutes per mile, not miles per minute.
            – amd
            Jul 21 at 22:40




            The rates are given in minutes per mile, not miles per minute.
            – amd
            Jul 21 at 22:40












             

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