Calculate $lim_ntoinfty sqrt5n^2+4~-~sqrt5n^2+n$

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While working on limits in math my teacher gave us limits involving square roots as the following




Calculate:$$lim_ntoinfty sqrt5n^2+4~-~sqrt5n^2+n$$




and even though I know how to handle limits like this, I would be interested in other ways to approach to tasks similar to this. My own solution will be at the bottom.




My own solution




$$lim_ntoinfty sqrt5n^2+4~-~sqrt5n^2+n~fracsqrt5n^2+4~+~sqrt5n^2+nsqrt5n^2+4~+~sqrt5n^2+n$$
$$lim_ntoinfty frac5n^2+4~-~(5n^2+n)sqrt5n^2+4~+~sqrt5n^2+n~=~lim_ntoinfty frac4-nnleft(sqrt5+frac4n^2~+~sqrt5+frac1nright)$$
$$=~frac-12sqrt5~=~-fracsqrt510$$








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    While working on limits in math my teacher gave us limits involving square roots as the following




    Calculate:$$lim_ntoinfty sqrt5n^2+4~-~sqrt5n^2+n$$




    and even though I know how to handle limits like this, I would be interested in other ways to approach to tasks similar to this. My own solution will be at the bottom.




    My own solution




    $$lim_ntoinfty sqrt5n^2+4~-~sqrt5n^2+n~fracsqrt5n^2+4~+~sqrt5n^2+nsqrt5n^2+4~+~sqrt5n^2+n$$
    $$lim_ntoinfty frac5n^2+4~-~(5n^2+n)sqrt5n^2+4~+~sqrt5n^2+n~=~lim_ntoinfty frac4-nnleft(sqrt5+frac4n^2~+~sqrt5+frac1nright)$$
    $$=~frac-12sqrt5~=~-fracsqrt510$$








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      While working on limits in math my teacher gave us limits involving square roots as the following




      Calculate:$$lim_ntoinfty sqrt5n^2+4~-~sqrt5n^2+n$$




      and even though I know how to handle limits like this, I would be interested in other ways to approach to tasks similar to this. My own solution will be at the bottom.




      My own solution




      $$lim_ntoinfty sqrt5n^2+4~-~sqrt5n^2+n~fracsqrt5n^2+4~+~sqrt5n^2+nsqrt5n^2+4~+~sqrt5n^2+n$$
      $$lim_ntoinfty frac5n^2+4~-~(5n^2+n)sqrt5n^2+4~+~sqrt5n^2+n~=~lim_ntoinfty frac4-nnleft(sqrt5+frac4n^2~+~sqrt5+frac1nright)$$
      $$=~frac-12sqrt5~=~-fracsqrt510$$








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      While working on limits in math my teacher gave us limits involving square roots as the following




      Calculate:$$lim_ntoinfty sqrt5n^2+4~-~sqrt5n^2+n$$




      and even though I know how to handle limits like this, I would be interested in other ways to approach to tasks similar to this. My own solution will be at the bottom.




      My own solution




      $$lim_ntoinfty sqrt5n^2+4~-~sqrt5n^2+n~fracsqrt5n^2+4~+~sqrt5n^2+nsqrt5n^2+4~+~sqrt5n^2+n$$
      $$lim_ntoinfty frac5n^2+4~-~(5n^2+n)sqrt5n^2+4~+~sqrt5n^2+n~=~lim_ntoinfty frac4-nnleft(sqrt5+frac4n^2~+~sqrt5+frac1nright)$$
      $$=~frac-12sqrt5~=~-fracsqrt510$$










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          Two alternative ideas:



          (1) Write
          $$
          sqrt5n^2+4 - sqrt5n^2+n =
          sqrt 5n(sqrt1 + 4/5n^2 - sqrt1 + 1/5n)
          $$
          and use Taylor ($sqrt1 + x = 1 + x/2 - x^2/8 + cdots$).



          (2) Let be $f(x) = sqrt x$. By the Mean Value Theorem, for some $c_nin(5n^2 + 4,5n^2 + n)$
          $$
          sqrt5n^2 + 4 - sqrt5n^2 + n =
          f'(c_n)((5n^2 + 4) - (5n^2 + n)) =
          -frac4 - n2sqrtc_n =
          -frac4/n - 12sqrtc_n/n^2,
          $$
          and by sqeezing $c_n/n^2to 5$.






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          Let $1/n=h$



          As $ntoinfty,hto0+,h>0$



          $$sqrt5n^2+4=sqrtdfrac5+4h^2h^2=dfracsqrt5+4h^2sqrth^2$$



          Now $sqrth^2=|h|=+h$ for $h>0$



          So, we ahve
          $$lim_hto0^+dfracsqrt5+4h^2-sqrt5+hh=lim_hto0^+dfrac1sqrt5+4h^2+sqrt5+hcdotlim_hto0^+dfrac5+4h^2-(5+h)h=?$$






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            This is more or less the same as OP’s solution.
            – Szeto
            Jul 22 at 11:20







          • 1




            @Szeto, Agreed. But I hope $lim hto0$ make things more explicit
            – lab bhattacharjee
            Jul 22 at 11:22










          • I guess your approach @lab bhattacharjee is similiar to the two kinds of definition for $e$ : $e~=~lim_ntoinftyleft(1+frac1nright)^n~=~lim_hto 0left(1+hright)^frac1h$. You just reversed the way how to reach infinity or respectively zero. But yes, you are right it is more explicit to see in your solution but not exactly what I am looking for.
            – mrtaurho
            Jul 22 at 11:28

















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          Considering that $frac4n^2<< frac1n$ for big $n$ we have



          $$
          lim_ntoinfty sqrt5n^2+4~-~sqrt5n^2+n equiv lim_hto 0fracsqrt5+4h^2-sqrt5+hh = lim_hto 0fracsqrt5+o(h^2)-sqrt5+hh
          $$



          now remember the derivative definition



          $$
          lim_hto 0fracsqrtx+h-sqrt xh = frac 12fracsqrt xx
          $$



          so the result is



          $$
          -frac 12fracsqrt 55
          $$






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            Two alternative ideas:



            (1) Write
            $$
            sqrt5n^2+4 - sqrt5n^2+n =
            sqrt 5n(sqrt1 + 4/5n^2 - sqrt1 + 1/5n)
            $$
            and use Taylor ($sqrt1 + x = 1 + x/2 - x^2/8 + cdots$).



            (2) Let be $f(x) = sqrt x$. By the Mean Value Theorem, for some $c_nin(5n^2 + 4,5n^2 + n)$
            $$
            sqrt5n^2 + 4 - sqrt5n^2 + n =
            f'(c_n)((5n^2 + 4) - (5n^2 + n)) =
            -frac4 - n2sqrtc_n =
            -frac4/n - 12sqrtc_n/n^2,
            $$
            and by sqeezing $c_n/n^2to 5$.






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              It is amazing to use mean value theorem to solve this problem.
              – Szeto
              Jul 22 at 15:33














            up vote
            2
            down vote



            accepted










            Two alternative ideas:



            (1) Write
            $$
            sqrt5n^2+4 - sqrt5n^2+n =
            sqrt 5n(sqrt1 + 4/5n^2 - sqrt1 + 1/5n)
            $$
            and use Taylor ($sqrt1 + x = 1 + x/2 - x^2/8 + cdots$).



            (2) Let be $f(x) = sqrt x$. By the Mean Value Theorem, for some $c_nin(5n^2 + 4,5n^2 + n)$
            $$
            sqrt5n^2 + 4 - sqrt5n^2 + n =
            f'(c_n)((5n^2 + 4) - (5n^2 + n)) =
            -frac4 - n2sqrtc_n =
            -frac4/n - 12sqrtc_n/n^2,
            $$
            and by sqeezing $c_n/n^2to 5$.






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            • 3




              It is amazing to use mean value theorem to solve this problem.
              – Szeto
              Jul 22 at 15:33












            up vote
            2
            down vote



            accepted







            up vote
            2
            down vote



            accepted






            Two alternative ideas:



            (1) Write
            $$
            sqrt5n^2+4 - sqrt5n^2+n =
            sqrt 5n(sqrt1 + 4/5n^2 - sqrt1 + 1/5n)
            $$
            and use Taylor ($sqrt1 + x = 1 + x/2 - x^2/8 + cdots$).



            (2) Let be $f(x) = sqrt x$. By the Mean Value Theorem, for some $c_nin(5n^2 + 4,5n^2 + n)$
            $$
            sqrt5n^2 + 4 - sqrt5n^2 + n =
            f'(c_n)((5n^2 + 4) - (5n^2 + n)) =
            -frac4 - n2sqrtc_n =
            -frac4/n - 12sqrtc_n/n^2,
            $$
            and by sqeezing $c_n/n^2to 5$.






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            Two alternative ideas:



            (1) Write
            $$
            sqrt5n^2+4 - sqrt5n^2+n =
            sqrt 5n(sqrt1 + 4/5n^2 - sqrt1 + 1/5n)
            $$
            and use Taylor ($sqrt1 + x = 1 + x/2 - x^2/8 + cdots$).



            (2) Let be $f(x) = sqrt x$. By the Mean Value Theorem, for some $c_nin(5n^2 + 4,5n^2 + n)$
            $$
            sqrt5n^2 + 4 - sqrt5n^2 + n =
            f'(c_n)((5n^2 + 4) - (5n^2 + n)) =
            -frac4 - n2sqrtc_n =
            -frac4/n - 12sqrtc_n/n^2,
            $$
            and by sqeezing $c_n/n^2to 5$.







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            answered Jul 22 at 11:18









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              It is amazing to use mean value theorem to solve this problem.
              – Szeto
              Jul 22 at 15:33












            • 3




              It is amazing to use mean value theorem to solve this problem.
              – Szeto
              Jul 22 at 15:33







            3




            3




            It is amazing to use mean value theorem to solve this problem.
            – Szeto
            Jul 22 at 15:33




            It is amazing to use mean value theorem to solve this problem.
            – Szeto
            Jul 22 at 15:33










            up vote
            2
            down vote













            Let $1/n=h$



            As $ntoinfty,hto0+,h>0$



            $$sqrt5n^2+4=sqrtdfrac5+4h^2h^2=dfracsqrt5+4h^2sqrth^2$$



            Now $sqrth^2=|h|=+h$ for $h>0$



            So, we ahve
            $$lim_hto0^+dfracsqrt5+4h^2-sqrt5+hh=lim_hto0^+dfrac1sqrt5+4h^2+sqrt5+hcdotlim_hto0^+dfrac5+4h^2-(5+h)h=?$$






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            • 1




              This is more or less the same as OP’s solution.
              – Szeto
              Jul 22 at 11:20







            • 1




              @Szeto, Agreed. But I hope $lim hto0$ make things more explicit
              – lab bhattacharjee
              Jul 22 at 11:22










            • I guess your approach @lab bhattacharjee is similiar to the two kinds of definition for $e$ : $e~=~lim_ntoinftyleft(1+frac1nright)^n~=~lim_hto 0left(1+hright)^frac1h$. You just reversed the way how to reach infinity or respectively zero. But yes, you are right it is more explicit to see in your solution but not exactly what I am looking for.
              – mrtaurho
              Jul 22 at 11:28














            up vote
            2
            down vote













            Let $1/n=h$



            As $ntoinfty,hto0+,h>0$



            $$sqrt5n^2+4=sqrtdfrac5+4h^2h^2=dfracsqrt5+4h^2sqrth^2$$



            Now $sqrth^2=|h|=+h$ for $h>0$



            So, we ahve
            $$lim_hto0^+dfracsqrt5+4h^2-sqrt5+hh=lim_hto0^+dfrac1sqrt5+4h^2+sqrt5+hcdotlim_hto0^+dfrac5+4h^2-(5+h)h=?$$






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            • 1




              This is more or less the same as OP’s solution.
              – Szeto
              Jul 22 at 11:20







            • 1




              @Szeto, Agreed. But I hope $lim hto0$ make things more explicit
              – lab bhattacharjee
              Jul 22 at 11:22










            • I guess your approach @lab bhattacharjee is similiar to the two kinds of definition for $e$ : $e~=~lim_ntoinftyleft(1+frac1nright)^n~=~lim_hto 0left(1+hright)^frac1h$. You just reversed the way how to reach infinity or respectively zero. But yes, you are right it is more explicit to see in your solution but not exactly what I am looking for.
              – mrtaurho
              Jul 22 at 11:28












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            Let $1/n=h$



            As $ntoinfty,hto0+,h>0$



            $$sqrt5n^2+4=sqrtdfrac5+4h^2h^2=dfracsqrt5+4h^2sqrth^2$$



            Now $sqrth^2=|h|=+h$ for $h>0$



            So, we ahve
            $$lim_hto0^+dfracsqrt5+4h^2-sqrt5+hh=lim_hto0^+dfrac1sqrt5+4h^2+sqrt5+hcdotlim_hto0^+dfrac5+4h^2-(5+h)h=?$$






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            Let $1/n=h$



            As $ntoinfty,hto0+,h>0$



            $$sqrt5n^2+4=sqrtdfrac5+4h^2h^2=dfracsqrt5+4h^2sqrth^2$$



            Now $sqrth^2=|h|=+h$ for $h>0$



            So, we ahve
            $$lim_hto0^+dfracsqrt5+4h^2-sqrt5+hh=lim_hto0^+dfrac1sqrt5+4h^2+sqrt5+hcdotlim_hto0^+dfrac5+4h^2-(5+h)h=?$$







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              This is more or less the same as OP’s solution.
              – Szeto
              Jul 22 at 11:20







            • 1




              @Szeto, Agreed. But I hope $lim hto0$ make things more explicit
              – lab bhattacharjee
              Jul 22 at 11:22










            • I guess your approach @lab bhattacharjee is similiar to the two kinds of definition for $e$ : $e~=~lim_ntoinftyleft(1+frac1nright)^n~=~lim_hto 0left(1+hright)^frac1h$. You just reversed the way how to reach infinity or respectively zero. But yes, you are right it is more explicit to see in your solution but not exactly what I am looking for.
              – mrtaurho
              Jul 22 at 11:28












            • 1




              This is more or less the same as OP’s solution.
              – Szeto
              Jul 22 at 11:20







            • 1




              @Szeto, Agreed. But I hope $lim hto0$ make things more explicit
              – lab bhattacharjee
              Jul 22 at 11:22










            • I guess your approach @lab bhattacharjee is similiar to the two kinds of definition for $e$ : $e~=~lim_ntoinftyleft(1+frac1nright)^n~=~lim_hto 0left(1+hright)^frac1h$. You just reversed the way how to reach infinity or respectively zero. But yes, you are right it is more explicit to see in your solution but not exactly what I am looking for.
              – mrtaurho
              Jul 22 at 11:28







            1




            1




            This is more or less the same as OP’s solution.
            – Szeto
            Jul 22 at 11:20





            This is more or less the same as OP’s solution.
            – Szeto
            Jul 22 at 11:20





            1




            1




            @Szeto, Agreed. But I hope $lim hto0$ make things more explicit
            – lab bhattacharjee
            Jul 22 at 11:22




            @Szeto, Agreed. But I hope $lim hto0$ make things more explicit
            – lab bhattacharjee
            Jul 22 at 11:22












            I guess your approach @lab bhattacharjee is similiar to the two kinds of definition for $e$ : $e~=~lim_ntoinftyleft(1+frac1nright)^n~=~lim_hto 0left(1+hright)^frac1h$. You just reversed the way how to reach infinity or respectively zero. But yes, you are right it is more explicit to see in your solution but not exactly what I am looking for.
            – mrtaurho
            Jul 22 at 11:28




            I guess your approach @lab bhattacharjee is similiar to the two kinds of definition for $e$ : $e~=~lim_ntoinftyleft(1+frac1nright)^n~=~lim_hto 0left(1+hright)^frac1h$. You just reversed the way how to reach infinity or respectively zero. But yes, you are right it is more explicit to see in your solution but not exactly what I am looking for.
            – mrtaurho
            Jul 22 at 11:28










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            Considering that $frac4n^2<< frac1n$ for big $n$ we have



            $$
            lim_ntoinfty sqrt5n^2+4~-~sqrt5n^2+n equiv lim_hto 0fracsqrt5+4h^2-sqrt5+hh = lim_hto 0fracsqrt5+o(h^2)-sqrt5+hh
            $$



            now remember the derivative definition



            $$
            lim_hto 0fracsqrtx+h-sqrt xh = frac 12fracsqrt xx
            $$



            so the result is



            $$
            -frac 12fracsqrt 55
            $$






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              up vote
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              Considering that $frac4n^2<< frac1n$ for big $n$ we have



              $$
              lim_ntoinfty sqrt5n^2+4~-~sqrt5n^2+n equiv lim_hto 0fracsqrt5+4h^2-sqrt5+hh = lim_hto 0fracsqrt5+o(h^2)-sqrt5+hh
              $$



              now remember the derivative definition



              $$
              lim_hto 0fracsqrtx+h-sqrt xh = frac 12fracsqrt xx
              $$



              so the result is



              $$
              -frac 12fracsqrt 55
              $$






              share|cite|improve this answer























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                up vote
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                Considering that $frac4n^2<< frac1n$ for big $n$ we have



                $$
                lim_ntoinfty sqrt5n^2+4~-~sqrt5n^2+n equiv lim_hto 0fracsqrt5+4h^2-sqrt5+hh = lim_hto 0fracsqrt5+o(h^2)-sqrt5+hh
                $$



                now remember the derivative definition



                $$
                lim_hto 0fracsqrtx+h-sqrt xh = frac 12fracsqrt xx
                $$



                so the result is



                $$
                -frac 12fracsqrt 55
                $$






                share|cite|improve this answer













                Considering that $frac4n^2<< frac1n$ for big $n$ we have



                $$
                lim_ntoinfty sqrt5n^2+4~-~sqrt5n^2+n equiv lim_hto 0fracsqrt5+4h^2-sqrt5+hh = lim_hto 0fracsqrt5+o(h^2)-sqrt5+hh
                $$



                now remember the derivative definition



                $$
                lim_hto 0fracsqrtx+h-sqrt xh = frac 12fracsqrt xx
                $$



                so the result is



                $$
                -frac 12fracsqrt 55
                $$







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