Convexity and concavity in a textbook figure of the fundamental solution of the heat equation $u_t - u_xx = 0$
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My textbook has this image of the fundamental solution of the heat equation $u_t - u_xx = 0$ for $0.25 le t le 10$:
It says that, when we deduce from the PDE that at locations where $u_xx < 0$ (so $u$ is convex in $x$) the solution decreases in time at fixed $x$ whereas, when $u_xx > 0$ (so $u$ is concave) the solution increases in time. The points of inflection, where $u_xx$ changes sign, separate regions where the solution is increasing in time from those where it is decreasing.
Convex vs. Concave:
Am I thinking about this incorrectly, or does this description not match the figure provided? For constant $x$ "beneath" the line (when $u$ is convex in $x$), we see that the solution decreases till about $t = 1$ and then actually increases. And, for constant $x$ "above" the line (when $u$ is concave in $x$), the solution actually decreases in time till about $t = 1$ and only then seems to increase.
Hmm, I'm not sure if I'm interpreting this incorrectly, or if this is an error by the author?
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My textbook has this image of the fundamental solution of the heat equation $u_t - u_xx = 0$ for $0.25 le t le 10$:
It says that, when we deduce from the PDE that at locations where $u_xx < 0$ (so $u$ is convex in $x$) the solution decreases in time at fixed $x$ whereas, when $u_xx > 0$ (so $u$ is concave) the solution increases in time. The points of inflection, where $u_xx$ changes sign, separate regions where the solution is increasing in time from those where it is decreasing.
Convex vs. Concave:
Am I thinking about this incorrectly, or does this description not match the figure provided? For constant $x$ "beneath" the line (when $u$ is convex in $x$), we see that the solution decreases till about $t = 1$ and then actually increases. And, for constant $x$ "above" the line (when $u$ is concave in $x$), the solution actually decreases in time till about $t = 1$ and only then seems to increase.
Hmm, I'm not sure if I'm interpreting this incorrectly, or if this is an error by the author?
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Kindly add the PDE also so that it is easy to determine whether the claims are true or false.
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@MathLover Oops, sorry. I have added it now.
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My textbook has this image of the fundamental solution of the heat equation $u_t - u_xx = 0$ for $0.25 le t le 10$:
It says that, when we deduce from the PDE that at locations where $u_xx < 0$ (so $u$ is convex in $x$) the solution decreases in time at fixed $x$ whereas, when $u_xx > 0$ (so $u$ is concave) the solution increases in time. The points of inflection, where $u_xx$ changes sign, separate regions where the solution is increasing in time from those where it is decreasing.
Convex vs. Concave:
Am I thinking about this incorrectly, or does this description not match the figure provided? For constant $x$ "beneath" the line (when $u$ is convex in $x$), we see that the solution decreases till about $t = 1$ and then actually increases. And, for constant $x$ "above" the line (when $u$ is concave in $x$), the solution actually decreases in time till about $t = 1$ and only then seems to increase.
Hmm, I'm not sure if I'm interpreting this incorrectly, or if this is an error by the author?
real-analysis geometry pde convex-analysis mathematical-modeling
My textbook has this image of the fundamental solution of the heat equation $u_t - u_xx = 0$ for $0.25 le t le 10$:
It says that, when we deduce from the PDE that at locations where $u_xx < 0$ (so $u$ is convex in $x$) the solution decreases in time at fixed $x$ whereas, when $u_xx > 0$ (so $u$ is concave) the solution increases in time. The points of inflection, where $u_xx$ changes sign, separate regions where the solution is increasing in time from those where it is decreasing.
Convex vs. Concave:
Am I thinking about this incorrectly, or does this description not match the figure provided? For constant $x$ "beneath" the line (when $u$ is convex in $x$), we see that the solution decreases till about $t = 1$ and then actually increases. And, for constant $x$ "above" the line (when $u$ is concave in $x$), the solution actually decreases in time till about $t = 1$ and only then seems to increase.
Hmm, I'm not sure if I'm interpreting this incorrectly, or if this is an error by the author?
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Kindly add the PDE also so that it is easy to determine whether the claims are true or false.
â Math Lover
Aug 3 at 21:44
@MathLover Oops, sorry. I have added it now.
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Aug 3 at 21:48
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Kindly add the PDE also so that it is easy to determine whether the claims are true or false.
â Math Lover
Aug 3 at 21:44
@MathLover Oops, sorry. I have added it now.
â Wyuw
Aug 3 at 21:48
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Kindly add the PDE also so that it is easy to determine whether the claims are true or false.
â Math Lover
Aug 3 at 21:44
Kindly add the PDE also so that it is easy to determine whether the claims are true or false.
â Math Lover
Aug 3 at 21:44
@MathLover Oops, sorry. I have added it now.
â Wyuw
Aug 3 at 21:48
@MathLover Oops, sorry. I have added it now.
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The author has accidentally switched the words "concave" and "convex", but if you ignore those two words and read the maths(which is what I did originally), he is correct :) Its nothing more than combining the PDE $u_t = u_xx$ with the fact that $u_t < 0$ means $u$ is decreasing (and similarly for increasing.)
I remember which way round things are by remembering that $x^2$ is convex, and $(x^2)'' > 0$.
I've also attempted to recreate the graph. Note the contour lines, showing the decrease in height at $x=0$.
Not quite the same, but hopefully this helps. From different angles-
Edit - I just found out that Geogebra has an online 3D grapher. It even has a mode for the oldschool red-blue 3D glasses. I recreated the graph again here, and this time its interactive.
Silly me! Nice images. You are of course correct for the former. But for $u_xx > 0$ ($u$ concave in $x$), doesn't the solution for any fixed $x$ still decrease as $t$ increases? Fix $x = 0$ and we can see that as $t$ increases $u$ decreases?
â Wyuw
Aug 3 at 23:56
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Oh. Yes, the author has made a typo. I assumed he was correct because the pictures you gave in the OP classify $pm (x-a)^2 + b$ correctly as convex/concave.
â Calvin Khor
Aug 4 at 0:04
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@Wyuw It is instructive to notice that if you define $tau = -t$, ("reverse time") and let $w(x,tau) = u(x,t)$, then $w$ solves the equation $w_tau = -w_xx$. So you can see the effect of having the wrong sign in the same graph as well. Namely, there is finite time blowup of the solution instead of decay to 0.
â Calvin Khor
Aug 4 at 0:08
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@Wyuw Yes. the diagrams at the bottom of your post are correct, the author's math symbols are correct, but he has switched the words "concave" and "convex". I will update my answer to reflect this
â Calvin Khor
Aug 4 at 0:17
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Ok thank you for this information.
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Aug 4 at 0:18
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The author has accidentally switched the words "concave" and "convex", but if you ignore those two words and read the maths(which is what I did originally), he is correct :) Its nothing more than combining the PDE $u_t = u_xx$ with the fact that $u_t < 0$ means $u$ is decreasing (and similarly for increasing.)
I remember which way round things are by remembering that $x^2$ is convex, and $(x^2)'' > 0$.
I've also attempted to recreate the graph. Note the contour lines, showing the decrease in height at $x=0$.
Not quite the same, but hopefully this helps. From different angles-
Edit - I just found out that Geogebra has an online 3D grapher. It even has a mode for the oldschool red-blue 3D glasses. I recreated the graph again here, and this time its interactive.
Silly me! Nice images. You are of course correct for the former. But for $u_xx > 0$ ($u$ concave in $x$), doesn't the solution for any fixed $x$ still decrease as $t$ increases? Fix $x = 0$ and we can see that as $t$ increases $u$ decreases?
â Wyuw
Aug 3 at 23:56
1
Oh. Yes, the author has made a typo. I assumed he was correct because the pictures you gave in the OP classify $pm (x-a)^2 + b$ correctly as convex/concave.
â Calvin Khor
Aug 4 at 0:04
1
@Wyuw It is instructive to notice that if you define $tau = -t$, ("reverse time") and let $w(x,tau) = u(x,t)$, then $w$ solves the equation $w_tau = -w_xx$. So you can see the effect of having the wrong sign in the same graph as well. Namely, there is finite time blowup of the solution instead of decay to 0.
â Calvin Khor
Aug 4 at 0:08
1
@Wyuw Yes. the diagrams at the bottom of your post are correct, the author's math symbols are correct, but he has switched the words "concave" and "convex". I will update my answer to reflect this
â Calvin Khor
Aug 4 at 0:17
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Ok thank you for this information.
â Wyuw
Aug 4 at 0:18
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The author has accidentally switched the words "concave" and "convex", but if you ignore those two words and read the maths(which is what I did originally), he is correct :) Its nothing more than combining the PDE $u_t = u_xx$ with the fact that $u_t < 0$ means $u$ is decreasing (and similarly for increasing.)
I remember which way round things are by remembering that $x^2$ is convex, and $(x^2)'' > 0$.
I've also attempted to recreate the graph. Note the contour lines, showing the decrease in height at $x=0$.
Not quite the same, but hopefully this helps. From different angles-
Edit - I just found out that Geogebra has an online 3D grapher. It even has a mode for the oldschool red-blue 3D glasses. I recreated the graph again here, and this time its interactive.
Silly me! Nice images. You are of course correct for the former. But for $u_xx > 0$ ($u$ concave in $x$), doesn't the solution for any fixed $x$ still decrease as $t$ increases? Fix $x = 0$ and we can see that as $t$ increases $u$ decreases?
â Wyuw
Aug 3 at 23:56
1
Oh. Yes, the author has made a typo. I assumed he was correct because the pictures you gave in the OP classify $pm (x-a)^2 + b$ correctly as convex/concave.
â Calvin Khor
Aug 4 at 0:04
1
@Wyuw It is instructive to notice that if you define $tau = -t$, ("reverse time") and let $w(x,tau) = u(x,t)$, then $w$ solves the equation $w_tau = -w_xx$. So you can see the effect of having the wrong sign in the same graph as well. Namely, there is finite time blowup of the solution instead of decay to 0.
â Calvin Khor
Aug 4 at 0:08
1
@Wyuw Yes. the diagrams at the bottom of your post are correct, the author's math symbols are correct, but he has switched the words "concave" and "convex". I will update my answer to reflect this
â Calvin Khor
Aug 4 at 0:17
1
Ok thank you for this information.
â Wyuw
Aug 4 at 0:18
 |Â
show 3 more comments
up vote
4
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up vote
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The author has accidentally switched the words "concave" and "convex", but if you ignore those two words and read the maths(which is what I did originally), he is correct :) Its nothing more than combining the PDE $u_t = u_xx$ with the fact that $u_t < 0$ means $u$ is decreasing (and similarly for increasing.)
I remember which way round things are by remembering that $x^2$ is convex, and $(x^2)'' > 0$.
I've also attempted to recreate the graph. Note the contour lines, showing the decrease in height at $x=0$.
Not quite the same, but hopefully this helps. From different angles-
Edit - I just found out that Geogebra has an online 3D grapher. It even has a mode for the oldschool red-blue 3D glasses. I recreated the graph again here, and this time its interactive.
The author has accidentally switched the words "concave" and "convex", but if you ignore those two words and read the maths(which is what I did originally), he is correct :) Its nothing more than combining the PDE $u_t = u_xx$ with the fact that $u_t < 0$ means $u$ is decreasing (and similarly for increasing.)
I remember which way round things are by remembering that $x^2$ is convex, and $(x^2)'' > 0$.
I've also attempted to recreate the graph. Note the contour lines, showing the decrease in height at $x=0$.
Not quite the same, but hopefully this helps. From different angles-
Edit - I just found out that Geogebra has an online 3D grapher. It even has a mode for the oldschool red-blue 3D glasses. I recreated the graph again here, and this time its interactive.
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Silly me! Nice images. You are of course correct for the former. But for $u_xx > 0$ ($u$ concave in $x$), doesn't the solution for any fixed $x$ still decrease as $t$ increases? Fix $x = 0$ and we can see that as $t$ increases $u$ decreases?
â Wyuw
Aug 3 at 23:56
1
Oh. Yes, the author has made a typo. I assumed he was correct because the pictures you gave in the OP classify $pm (x-a)^2 + b$ correctly as convex/concave.
â Calvin Khor
Aug 4 at 0:04
1
@Wyuw It is instructive to notice that if you define $tau = -t$, ("reverse time") and let $w(x,tau) = u(x,t)$, then $w$ solves the equation $w_tau = -w_xx$. So you can see the effect of having the wrong sign in the same graph as well. Namely, there is finite time blowup of the solution instead of decay to 0.
â Calvin Khor
Aug 4 at 0:08
1
@Wyuw Yes. the diagrams at the bottom of your post are correct, the author's math symbols are correct, but he has switched the words "concave" and "convex". I will update my answer to reflect this
â Calvin Khor
Aug 4 at 0:17
1
Ok thank you for this information.
â Wyuw
Aug 4 at 0:18
 |Â
show 3 more comments
Silly me! Nice images. You are of course correct for the former. But for $u_xx > 0$ ($u$ concave in $x$), doesn't the solution for any fixed $x$ still decrease as $t$ increases? Fix $x = 0$ and we can see that as $t$ increases $u$ decreases?
â Wyuw
Aug 3 at 23:56
1
Oh. Yes, the author has made a typo. I assumed he was correct because the pictures you gave in the OP classify $pm (x-a)^2 + b$ correctly as convex/concave.
â Calvin Khor
Aug 4 at 0:04
1
@Wyuw It is instructive to notice that if you define $tau = -t$, ("reverse time") and let $w(x,tau) = u(x,t)$, then $w$ solves the equation $w_tau = -w_xx$. So you can see the effect of having the wrong sign in the same graph as well. Namely, there is finite time blowup of the solution instead of decay to 0.
â Calvin Khor
Aug 4 at 0:08
1
@Wyuw Yes. the diagrams at the bottom of your post are correct, the author's math symbols are correct, but he has switched the words "concave" and "convex". I will update my answer to reflect this
â Calvin Khor
Aug 4 at 0:17
1
Ok thank you for this information.
â Wyuw
Aug 4 at 0:18
Silly me! Nice images. You are of course correct for the former. But for $u_xx > 0$ ($u$ concave in $x$), doesn't the solution for any fixed $x$ still decrease as $t$ increases? Fix $x = 0$ and we can see that as $t$ increases $u$ decreases?
â Wyuw
Aug 3 at 23:56
Silly me! Nice images. You are of course correct for the former. But for $u_xx > 0$ ($u$ concave in $x$), doesn't the solution for any fixed $x$ still decrease as $t$ increases? Fix $x = 0$ and we can see that as $t$ increases $u$ decreases?
â Wyuw
Aug 3 at 23:56
1
1
Oh. Yes, the author has made a typo. I assumed he was correct because the pictures you gave in the OP classify $pm (x-a)^2 + b$ correctly as convex/concave.
â Calvin Khor
Aug 4 at 0:04
Oh. Yes, the author has made a typo. I assumed he was correct because the pictures you gave in the OP classify $pm (x-a)^2 + b$ correctly as convex/concave.
â Calvin Khor
Aug 4 at 0:04
1
1
@Wyuw It is instructive to notice that if you define $tau = -t$, ("reverse time") and let $w(x,tau) = u(x,t)$, then $w$ solves the equation $w_tau = -w_xx$. So you can see the effect of having the wrong sign in the same graph as well. Namely, there is finite time blowup of the solution instead of decay to 0.
â Calvin Khor
Aug 4 at 0:08
@Wyuw It is instructive to notice that if you define $tau = -t$, ("reverse time") and let $w(x,tau) = u(x,t)$, then $w$ solves the equation $w_tau = -w_xx$. So you can see the effect of having the wrong sign in the same graph as well. Namely, there is finite time blowup of the solution instead of decay to 0.
â Calvin Khor
Aug 4 at 0:08
1
1
@Wyuw Yes. the diagrams at the bottom of your post are correct, the author's math symbols are correct, but he has switched the words "concave" and "convex". I will update my answer to reflect this
â Calvin Khor
Aug 4 at 0:17
@Wyuw Yes. the diagrams at the bottom of your post are correct, the author's math symbols are correct, but he has switched the words "concave" and "convex". I will update my answer to reflect this
â Calvin Khor
Aug 4 at 0:17
1
1
Ok thank you for this information.
â Wyuw
Aug 4 at 0:18
Ok thank you for this information.
â Wyuw
Aug 4 at 0:18
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Kindly add the PDE also so that it is easy to determine whether the claims are true or false.
â Math Lover
Aug 3 at 21:44
@MathLover Oops, sorry. I have added it now.
â Wyuw
Aug 3 at 21:48