Equality of ordered n-tuples

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In a Mathematical Introduction to Logic, Enderton says it is easy to see (by using induction on $n$ and the basic property of ordered pairs ($leftlangle x,yrightrangle =leftlangle u,vrightrangle iff x=uland y=v$ )) that (for all $n$) if $leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_nrightrangle =leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_nrightrangle$ then $x_i=y_i$ for $1leq ileq n$. I'm having some difficulty doing this




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Enderton defines $leftlangle xrightrangle:= x$ so the base case $n=1$ is trivial. He also defines $leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_n+1rightrangle :=leftlangle leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_nrightrangle ,x_n+1rightrangle$.




Attempt:



For the induction step, we want to show $leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_nrightrangle =leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_nrightrangle rightarrow leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_n+1rightrangle =leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_n+1rightrangle $



By definition, we have



$beginalign leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_n+1rightrangle &=leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_n+1rightrangle \
leftlangle leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_nrightrangle ,x_n+1rightrangle &=leftlangle leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_nrightrangle ,y_n+1rightrangle endalign$



but the basic property of ordered pairs is that



$leftlangle x,yrightrangle =leftlangle u,vrightrangle iff x=uland y=v$



Thus
$x_n+1=y_n+1$ and $leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_nrightrangle =leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_nrightrangle$



So I've proved
$$ leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_n+1rightrangle =leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_n+1rightrangle iff x_n+1=y_n+1 land leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_nrightrangle =leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_nrightrangle$$



the induction hypothesis is $leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_nrightrangle =leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_nrightrangle$, but I don't see how to derive the other premise: $x_n+1=y_n+1$, or make the induction step.




Attempt #2
For the induction hypothesis, we assume there exists $ninmathbbN$ such that:



$leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_nrightrangle =leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_nrightrangle rightarrow x_i=y_i(1leq ileq n)$



In the induction step, we show that this implies:



$leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_n+1rightrangle =leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_n+1rightrangle rightarrow x_i=y_i(1leq ileq n+1)$.



Thus for the induction step, we may assume



$beginalign leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_n+1rightrangle &=leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_n+1rightrangle \
leftlangle leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_nrightrangle ,x_n+1rightrangle &=leftlangle leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_nrightrangle ,y_n+1rightrangle endalign$



but the defining property of ordered pairs is that



$leftlangle x,yrightrangle =leftlangle u,vrightrangle iff x=uland y=v$.



Thus $x_n+1=y_n+1$ and $leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_nrightrangle =leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_nrightrangle$ . Thus by the induction hypothesis, we have $x_i=y_i(1leq ileq n)$. Since we showed $x_n+1=y_n+1$, we have $x_i=y_i(1leq ileq n+1)$ which is what we wanted to prove.







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    In a Mathematical Introduction to Logic, Enderton says it is easy to see (by using induction on $n$ and the basic property of ordered pairs ($leftlangle x,yrightrangle =leftlangle u,vrightrangle iff x=uland y=v$ )) that (for all $n$) if $leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_nrightrangle =leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_nrightrangle$ then $x_i=y_i$ for $1leq ileq n$. I'm having some difficulty doing this




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    Enderton defines $leftlangle xrightrangle:= x$ so the base case $n=1$ is trivial. He also defines $leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_n+1rightrangle :=leftlangle leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_nrightrangle ,x_n+1rightrangle$.




    Attempt:



    For the induction step, we want to show $leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_nrightrangle =leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_nrightrangle rightarrow leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_n+1rightrangle =leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_n+1rightrangle $



    By definition, we have



    $beginalign leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_n+1rightrangle &=leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_n+1rightrangle \
    leftlangle leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_nrightrangle ,x_n+1rightrangle &=leftlangle leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_nrightrangle ,y_n+1rightrangle endalign$



    but the basic property of ordered pairs is that



    $leftlangle x,yrightrangle =leftlangle u,vrightrangle iff x=uland y=v$



    Thus
    $x_n+1=y_n+1$ and $leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_nrightrangle =leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_nrightrangle$



    So I've proved
    $$ leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_n+1rightrangle =leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_n+1rightrangle iff x_n+1=y_n+1 land leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_nrightrangle =leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_nrightrangle$$



    the induction hypothesis is $leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_nrightrangle =leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_nrightrangle$, but I don't see how to derive the other premise: $x_n+1=y_n+1$, or make the induction step.




    Attempt #2
    For the induction hypothesis, we assume there exists $ninmathbbN$ such that:



    $leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_nrightrangle =leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_nrightrangle rightarrow x_i=y_i(1leq ileq n)$



    In the induction step, we show that this implies:



    $leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_n+1rightrangle =leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_n+1rightrangle rightarrow x_i=y_i(1leq ileq n+1)$.



    Thus for the induction step, we may assume



    $beginalign leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_n+1rightrangle &=leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_n+1rightrangle \
    leftlangle leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_nrightrangle ,x_n+1rightrangle &=leftlangle leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_nrightrangle ,y_n+1rightrangle endalign$



    but the defining property of ordered pairs is that



    $leftlangle x,yrightrangle =leftlangle u,vrightrangle iff x=uland y=v$.



    Thus $x_n+1=y_n+1$ and $leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_nrightrangle =leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_nrightrangle$ . Thus by the induction hypothesis, we have $x_i=y_i(1leq ileq n)$. Since we showed $x_n+1=y_n+1$, we have $x_i=y_i(1leq ileq n+1)$ which is what we wanted to prove.







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      In a Mathematical Introduction to Logic, Enderton says it is easy to see (by using induction on $n$ and the basic property of ordered pairs ($leftlangle x,yrightrangle =leftlangle u,vrightrangle iff x=uland y=v$ )) that (for all $n$) if $leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_nrightrangle =leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_nrightrangle$ then $x_i=y_i$ for $1leq ileq n$. I'm having some difficulty doing this




      Definitions



      Enderton defines $leftlangle xrightrangle:= x$ so the base case $n=1$ is trivial. He also defines $leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_n+1rightrangle :=leftlangle leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_nrightrangle ,x_n+1rightrangle$.




      Attempt:



      For the induction step, we want to show $leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_nrightrangle =leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_nrightrangle rightarrow leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_n+1rightrangle =leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_n+1rightrangle $



      By definition, we have



      $beginalign leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_n+1rightrangle &=leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_n+1rightrangle \
      leftlangle leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_nrightrangle ,x_n+1rightrangle &=leftlangle leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_nrightrangle ,y_n+1rightrangle endalign$



      but the basic property of ordered pairs is that



      $leftlangle x,yrightrangle =leftlangle u,vrightrangle iff x=uland y=v$



      Thus
      $x_n+1=y_n+1$ and $leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_nrightrangle =leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_nrightrangle$



      So I've proved
      $$ leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_n+1rightrangle =leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_n+1rightrangle iff x_n+1=y_n+1 land leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_nrightrangle =leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_nrightrangle$$



      the induction hypothesis is $leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_nrightrangle =leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_nrightrangle$, but I don't see how to derive the other premise: $x_n+1=y_n+1$, or make the induction step.




      Attempt #2
      For the induction hypothesis, we assume there exists $ninmathbbN$ such that:



      $leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_nrightrangle =leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_nrightrangle rightarrow x_i=y_i(1leq ileq n)$



      In the induction step, we show that this implies:



      $leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_n+1rightrangle =leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_n+1rightrangle rightarrow x_i=y_i(1leq ileq n+1)$.



      Thus for the induction step, we may assume



      $beginalign leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_n+1rightrangle &=leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_n+1rightrangle \
      leftlangle leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_nrightrangle ,x_n+1rightrangle &=leftlangle leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_nrightrangle ,y_n+1rightrangle endalign$



      but the defining property of ordered pairs is that



      $leftlangle x,yrightrangle =leftlangle u,vrightrangle iff x=uland y=v$.



      Thus $x_n+1=y_n+1$ and $leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_nrightrangle =leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_nrightrangle$ . Thus by the induction hypothesis, we have $x_i=y_i(1leq ileq n)$. Since we showed $x_n+1=y_n+1$, we have $x_i=y_i(1leq ileq n+1)$ which is what we wanted to prove.







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      In a Mathematical Introduction to Logic, Enderton says it is easy to see (by using induction on $n$ and the basic property of ordered pairs ($leftlangle x,yrightrangle =leftlangle u,vrightrangle iff x=uland y=v$ )) that (for all $n$) if $leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_nrightrangle =leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_nrightrangle$ then $x_i=y_i$ for $1leq ileq n$. I'm having some difficulty doing this




      Definitions



      Enderton defines $leftlangle xrightrangle:= x$ so the base case $n=1$ is trivial. He also defines $leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_n+1rightrangle :=leftlangle leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_nrightrangle ,x_n+1rightrangle$.




      Attempt:



      For the induction step, we want to show $leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_nrightrangle =leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_nrightrangle rightarrow leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_n+1rightrangle =leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_n+1rightrangle $



      By definition, we have



      $beginalign leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_n+1rightrangle &=leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_n+1rightrangle \
      leftlangle leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_nrightrangle ,x_n+1rightrangle &=leftlangle leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_nrightrangle ,y_n+1rightrangle endalign$



      but the basic property of ordered pairs is that



      $leftlangle x,yrightrangle =leftlangle u,vrightrangle iff x=uland y=v$



      Thus
      $x_n+1=y_n+1$ and $leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_nrightrangle =leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_nrightrangle$



      So I've proved
      $$ leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_n+1rightrangle =leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_n+1rightrangle iff x_n+1=y_n+1 land leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_nrightrangle =leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_nrightrangle$$



      the induction hypothesis is $leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_nrightrangle =leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_nrightrangle$, but I don't see how to derive the other premise: $x_n+1=y_n+1$, or make the induction step.




      Attempt #2
      For the induction hypothesis, we assume there exists $ninmathbbN$ such that:



      $leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_nrightrangle =leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_nrightrangle rightarrow x_i=y_i(1leq ileq n)$



      In the induction step, we show that this implies:



      $leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_n+1rightrangle =leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_n+1rightrangle rightarrow x_i=y_i(1leq ileq n+1)$.



      Thus for the induction step, we may assume



      $beginalign leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_n+1rightrangle &=leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_n+1rightrangle \
      leftlangle leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_nrightrangle ,x_n+1rightrangle &=leftlangle leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_nrightrangle ,y_n+1rightrangle endalign$



      but the defining property of ordered pairs is that



      $leftlangle x,yrightrangle =leftlangle u,vrightrangle iff x=uland y=v$.



      Thus $x_n+1=y_n+1$ and $leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_nrightrangle =leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_nrightrangle$ . Thus by the induction hypothesis, we have $x_i=y_i(1leq ileq n)$. Since we showed $x_n+1=y_n+1$, we have $x_i=y_i(1leq ileq n+1)$ which is what we wanted to prove.









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          Your goal for the "induction step" is the wrong way around. Since $left<x_1,ldotsright>=left<y_1,ldotsright>$ is a premise of the implication you want to prove, the right induction step should go as:



          1. Our goal is to show that if $left<x_1,ldots,x_n+1right> =left<y_1,ldots,y_n+1right>$ then all of the $x_i$s and $y_i$ agree.


          2. Thus, assume $left<x_1,ldots,x_n+1right> =left<y_1,ldots,y_n+1right>$.


          3. The induction hypothesis tells us that if $left<x_1,ldots,x_nright> =left<y_1,ldots,y_nright>$ then the first $n$ values agree.


          4. Now, if we can show $$left<x_1,ldots,x_n+1right> =left<y_1,ldots,y_n+1right> to left<x_1,ldots,x_nright> =left<y_1,ldots,y_nright>,$$ then together with (2) that will give us what whe need to apply the induction hypothesis. ...






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          • Thanks for your answer. It helped me realize that the source of my confusion was that the induction hypothesis was itself an implication, so the logic of the induction step was $(A rightarrow B) rightarrow (C rightarrow D)$. I've added another attempt. Could you please comment? If everything is good i'll accept this answer.
            – Evan Rosica
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          • And $(A rightarrow B) rightarrow (C rightarrow D) equiv [C land (A rightarrow B)] rightarrow D$. In this case, $C$ was $leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_n+1rightrangle =leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_n+1rightrangle$ and $A rightarrow B$ was the induction hypothesis, which explains how those two facts gave us the result.
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          Your goal for the "induction step" is the wrong way around. Since $left<x_1,ldotsright>=left<y_1,ldotsright>$ is a premise of the implication you want to prove, the right induction step should go as:



          1. Our goal is to show that if $left<x_1,ldots,x_n+1right> =left<y_1,ldots,y_n+1right>$ then all of the $x_i$s and $y_i$ agree.


          2. Thus, assume $left<x_1,ldots,x_n+1right> =left<y_1,ldots,y_n+1right>$.


          3. The induction hypothesis tells us that if $left<x_1,ldots,x_nright> =left<y_1,ldots,y_nright>$ then the first $n$ values agree.


          4. Now, if we can show $$left<x_1,ldots,x_n+1right> =left<y_1,ldots,y_n+1right> to left<x_1,ldots,x_nright> =left<y_1,ldots,y_nright>,$$ then together with (2) that will give us what whe need to apply the induction hypothesis. ...






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          • Thanks for your answer. It helped me realize that the source of my confusion was that the induction hypothesis was itself an implication, so the logic of the induction step was $(A rightarrow B) rightarrow (C rightarrow D)$. I've added another attempt. Could you please comment? If everything is good i'll accept this answer.
            – Evan Rosica
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          • And $(A rightarrow B) rightarrow (C rightarrow D) equiv [C land (A rightarrow B)] rightarrow D$. In this case, $C$ was $leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_n+1rightrangle =leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_n+1rightrangle$ and $A rightarrow B$ was the induction hypothesis, which explains how those two facts gave us the result.
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          Your goal for the "induction step" is the wrong way around. Since $left<x_1,ldotsright>=left<y_1,ldotsright>$ is a premise of the implication you want to prove, the right induction step should go as:



          1. Our goal is to show that if $left<x_1,ldots,x_n+1right> =left<y_1,ldots,y_n+1right>$ then all of the $x_i$s and $y_i$ agree.


          2. Thus, assume $left<x_1,ldots,x_n+1right> =left<y_1,ldots,y_n+1right>$.


          3. The induction hypothesis tells us that if $left<x_1,ldots,x_nright> =left<y_1,ldots,y_nright>$ then the first $n$ values agree.


          4. Now, if we can show $$left<x_1,ldots,x_n+1right> =left<y_1,ldots,y_n+1right> to left<x_1,ldots,x_nright> =left<y_1,ldots,y_nright>,$$ then together with (2) that will give us what whe need to apply the induction hypothesis. ...






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          • Thanks for your answer. It helped me realize that the source of my confusion was that the induction hypothesis was itself an implication, so the logic of the induction step was $(A rightarrow B) rightarrow (C rightarrow D)$. I've added another attempt. Could you please comment? If everything is good i'll accept this answer.
            – Evan Rosica
            Jul 20 at 21:16











          • And $(A rightarrow B) rightarrow (C rightarrow D) equiv [C land (A rightarrow B)] rightarrow D$. In this case, $C$ was $leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_n+1rightrangle =leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_n+1rightrangle$ and $A rightarrow B$ was the induction hypothesis, which explains how those two facts gave us the result.
            – Evan Rosica
            Jul 20 at 21:26













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          Your goal for the "induction step" is the wrong way around. Since $left<x_1,ldotsright>=left<y_1,ldotsright>$ is a premise of the implication you want to prove, the right induction step should go as:



          1. Our goal is to show that if $left<x_1,ldots,x_n+1right> =left<y_1,ldots,y_n+1right>$ then all of the $x_i$s and $y_i$ agree.


          2. Thus, assume $left<x_1,ldots,x_n+1right> =left<y_1,ldots,y_n+1right>$.


          3. The induction hypothesis tells us that if $left<x_1,ldots,x_nright> =left<y_1,ldots,y_nright>$ then the first $n$ values agree.


          4. Now, if we can show $$left<x_1,ldots,x_n+1right> =left<y_1,ldots,y_n+1right> to left<x_1,ldots,x_nright> =left<y_1,ldots,y_nright>,$$ then together with (2) that will give us what whe need to apply the induction hypothesis. ...






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          Your goal for the "induction step" is the wrong way around. Since $left<x_1,ldotsright>=left<y_1,ldotsright>$ is a premise of the implication you want to prove, the right induction step should go as:



          1. Our goal is to show that if $left<x_1,ldots,x_n+1right> =left<y_1,ldots,y_n+1right>$ then all of the $x_i$s and $y_i$ agree.


          2. Thus, assume $left<x_1,ldots,x_n+1right> =left<y_1,ldots,y_n+1right>$.


          3. The induction hypothesis tells us that if $left<x_1,ldots,x_nright> =left<y_1,ldots,y_nright>$ then the first $n$ values agree.


          4. Now, if we can show $$left<x_1,ldots,x_n+1right> =left<y_1,ldots,y_n+1right> to left<x_1,ldots,x_nright> =left<y_1,ldots,y_nright>,$$ then together with (2) that will give us what whe need to apply the induction hypothesis. ...







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          • Thanks for your answer. It helped me realize that the source of my confusion was that the induction hypothesis was itself an implication, so the logic of the induction step was $(A rightarrow B) rightarrow (C rightarrow D)$. I've added another attempt. Could you please comment? If everything is good i'll accept this answer.
            – Evan Rosica
            Jul 20 at 21:16











          • And $(A rightarrow B) rightarrow (C rightarrow D) equiv [C land (A rightarrow B)] rightarrow D$. In this case, $C$ was $leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_n+1rightrangle =leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_n+1rightrangle$ and $A rightarrow B$ was the induction hypothesis, which explains how those two facts gave us the result.
            – Evan Rosica
            Jul 20 at 21:26

















          • Thanks for your answer. It helped me realize that the source of my confusion was that the induction hypothesis was itself an implication, so the logic of the induction step was $(A rightarrow B) rightarrow (C rightarrow D)$. I've added another attempt. Could you please comment? If everything is good i'll accept this answer.
            – Evan Rosica
            Jul 20 at 21:16











          • And $(A rightarrow B) rightarrow (C rightarrow D) equiv [C land (A rightarrow B)] rightarrow D$. In this case, $C$ was $leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_n+1rightrangle =leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_n+1rightrangle$ and $A rightarrow B$ was the induction hypothesis, which explains how those two facts gave us the result.
            – Evan Rosica
            Jul 20 at 21:26
















          Thanks for your answer. It helped me realize that the source of my confusion was that the induction hypothesis was itself an implication, so the logic of the induction step was $(A rightarrow B) rightarrow (C rightarrow D)$. I've added another attempt. Could you please comment? If everything is good i'll accept this answer.
          – Evan Rosica
          Jul 20 at 21:16





          Thanks for your answer. It helped me realize that the source of my confusion was that the induction hypothesis was itself an implication, so the logic of the induction step was $(A rightarrow B) rightarrow (C rightarrow D)$. I've added another attempt. Could you please comment? If everything is good i'll accept this answer.
          – Evan Rosica
          Jul 20 at 21:16













          And $(A rightarrow B) rightarrow (C rightarrow D) equiv [C land (A rightarrow B)] rightarrow D$. In this case, $C$ was $leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_n+1rightrangle =leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_n+1rightrangle$ and $A rightarrow B$ was the induction hypothesis, which explains how those two facts gave us the result.
          – Evan Rosica
          Jul 20 at 21:26





          And $(A rightarrow B) rightarrow (C rightarrow D) equiv [C land (A rightarrow B)] rightarrow D$. In this case, $C$ was $leftlangle x_1,ldots,x_n+1rightrangle =leftlangle y_1,ldots,y_n+1rightrangle$ and $A rightarrow B$ was the induction hypothesis, which explains how those two facts gave us the result.
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