Find $lim_xrightarrow 1^pmbig(frac 2x+3x^2-1big)$
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I want to find
$$lim_xrightarrow 1^pmleft(frac 2x+3x^2-1right)$$
This is what my textbook does:
$$frac2x+3x^2-1=frac2x+3(x-1)(x+1)=frac 1 x-1cdotfrac2x+3x+1$$
Now, for $xrightarrow1$, we have
$$frac2x+3x+1rightarrow frac 5 2$$
For $xrightarrow1^pm$ we have
$$frac1x-1rightarrowpminfty$$
This means that
$$frac 2x+3x^2-1 rightarrow pminfty$$
This is indeed correct. What I instead did was this:
$$frac 2x+3x^2-1sim frac2xx^2 = frac 2x$$
Then I would "replace" (not sure if this is something I can do) $x$ with $1$ (it's the number which the limit approaches to):
$$frac 2 1 rightarrow2$$
The limit would be $2$. Replacing $x$ with the number that the limit approaches I think is something I learnt in high school. Any hints on why my reasoning is wrong?
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I want to find
$$lim_xrightarrow 1^pmleft(frac 2x+3x^2-1right)$$
This is what my textbook does:
$$frac2x+3x^2-1=frac2x+3(x-1)(x+1)=frac 1 x-1cdotfrac2x+3x+1$$
Now, for $xrightarrow1$, we have
$$frac2x+3x+1rightarrow frac 5 2$$
For $xrightarrow1^pm$ we have
$$frac1x-1rightarrowpminfty$$
This means that
$$frac 2x+3x^2-1 rightarrow pminfty$$
This is indeed correct. What I instead did was this:
$$frac 2x+3x^2-1sim frac2xx^2 = frac 2x$$
Then I would "replace" (not sure if this is something I can do) $x$ with $1$ (it's the number which the limit approaches to):
$$frac 2 1 rightarrow2$$
The limit would be $2$. Replacing $x$ with the number that the limit approaches I think is something I learnt in high school. Any hints on why my reasoning is wrong?
limits
How does $x$ depend on $n$?
– Mark Viola
Aug 6 at 14:55
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What is $n$ here?
– prog_SAHIL
Aug 6 at 14:55
Sorry @MarkViola, fixed
– Cesare
Aug 6 at 14:56
@Cesare Look at the title. Fix that too please.
– Mark Viola
Aug 6 at 14:57
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Your approach would work if you were looking at the limit as $xtoinfty$. That is where your approach fails here: since $xto1^pm$, we don't have $frac2x+3x^2-1simfrac2xx^2$.
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Aug 6 at 15:03
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I want to find
$$lim_xrightarrow 1^pmleft(frac 2x+3x^2-1right)$$
This is what my textbook does:
$$frac2x+3x^2-1=frac2x+3(x-1)(x+1)=frac 1 x-1cdotfrac2x+3x+1$$
Now, for $xrightarrow1$, we have
$$frac2x+3x+1rightarrow frac 5 2$$
For $xrightarrow1^pm$ we have
$$frac1x-1rightarrowpminfty$$
This means that
$$frac 2x+3x^2-1 rightarrow pminfty$$
This is indeed correct. What I instead did was this:
$$frac 2x+3x^2-1sim frac2xx^2 = frac 2x$$
Then I would "replace" (not sure if this is something I can do) $x$ with $1$ (it's the number which the limit approaches to):
$$frac 2 1 rightarrow2$$
The limit would be $2$. Replacing $x$ with the number that the limit approaches I think is something I learnt in high school. Any hints on why my reasoning is wrong?
limits
I want to find
$$lim_xrightarrow 1^pmleft(frac 2x+3x^2-1right)$$
This is what my textbook does:
$$frac2x+3x^2-1=frac2x+3(x-1)(x+1)=frac 1 x-1cdotfrac2x+3x+1$$
Now, for $xrightarrow1$, we have
$$frac2x+3x+1rightarrow frac 5 2$$
For $xrightarrow1^pm$ we have
$$frac1x-1rightarrowpminfty$$
This means that
$$frac 2x+3x^2-1 rightarrow pminfty$$
This is indeed correct. What I instead did was this:
$$frac 2x+3x^2-1sim frac2xx^2 = frac 2x$$
Then I would "replace" (not sure if this is something I can do) $x$ with $1$ (it's the number which the limit approaches to):
$$frac 2 1 rightarrow2$$
The limit would be $2$. Replacing $x$ with the number that the limit approaches I think is something I learnt in high school. Any hints on why my reasoning is wrong?
limits
edited Aug 6 at 15:13
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How does $x$ depend on $n$?
– Mark Viola
Aug 6 at 14:55
1
What is $n$ here?
– prog_SAHIL
Aug 6 at 14:55
Sorry @MarkViola, fixed
– Cesare
Aug 6 at 14:56
@Cesare Look at the title. Fix that too please.
– Mark Viola
Aug 6 at 14:57
1
Your approach would work if you were looking at the limit as $xtoinfty$. That is where your approach fails here: since $xto1^pm$, we don't have $frac2x+3x^2-1simfrac2xx^2$.
– Clayton
Aug 6 at 15:03
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How does $x$ depend on $n$?
– Mark Viola
Aug 6 at 14:55
1
What is $n$ here?
– prog_SAHIL
Aug 6 at 14:55
Sorry @MarkViola, fixed
– Cesare
Aug 6 at 14:56
@Cesare Look at the title. Fix that too please.
– Mark Viola
Aug 6 at 14:57
1
Your approach would work if you were looking at the limit as $xtoinfty$. That is where your approach fails here: since $xto1^pm$, we don't have $frac2x+3x^2-1simfrac2xx^2$.
– Clayton
Aug 6 at 15:03
How does $x$ depend on $n$?
– Mark Viola
Aug 6 at 14:55
How does $x$ depend on $n$?
– Mark Viola
Aug 6 at 14:55
1
1
What is $n$ here?
– prog_SAHIL
Aug 6 at 14:55
What is $n$ here?
– prog_SAHIL
Aug 6 at 14:55
Sorry @MarkViola, fixed
– Cesare
Aug 6 at 14:56
Sorry @MarkViola, fixed
– Cesare
Aug 6 at 14:56
@Cesare Look at the title. Fix that too please.
– Mark Viola
Aug 6 at 14:57
@Cesare Look at the title. Fix that too please.
– Mark Viola
Aug 6 at 14:57
1
1
Your approach would work if you were looking at the limit as $xtoinfty$. That is where your approach fails here: since $xto1^pm$, we don't have $frac2x+3x^2-1simfrac2xx^2$.
– Clayton
Aug 6 at 15:03
Your approach would work if you were looking at the limit as $xtoinfty$. That is where your approach fails here: since $xto1^pm$, we don't have $frac2x+3x^2-1simfrac2xx^2$.
– Clayton
Aug 6 at 15:03
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There is no indeterminant form here.
So you can directly evaluate the limits by putting $x=1^+$ and $x=1^-$
Also for your doubt,
You cannot approximate $frac2x+3x^2-1approxfrac2x$. It just makes no sense to do so.
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The idea $frac2x+3x^2 - 1 sim frac2xx^2$ works only when the limit is to (positive) infinity. This is because we write $frac2x+3x^2-1 = frac2x+32x cdot fracx^2x^2-1 cdot frac2xx^2$, and when we take the limit as $x$ goes to infinity, we find that the first two fractions have limit $1$, hence the answer is the limit of $frac2xx^2$, if the limit were to infinity.
On the other hand, when the limit is as $x to 1^+$, this approach does not work, simply because the two fractions which had limit one earlier, don't have that limit anymore, so we cannot use the product rule to simplify our work.
On the other hand, your "high school" approach helps you in thinking about what the answer could be. In this case, the high school approach substitution on $frac2x+3x^2 - 1$ gives $frac 50$. Therefore, one would guess that the limit does not exist (or it is positive infinite).
The best way to prove this, is to do what the book does : $frac2x+3x^2-1 = frac1x-1 times frac2x+3x+1$. In the second expression, substitution works in computation of the limit, and the first has positive infinite as the limit, hence we get the answer.
Suppose you really wanted to use an approach using asymptotics. Then, set $y = frac 1x-1$. Then, as $x to 1^+$ we have $y to + infty$.
We get $frac2x+3(x-1)(x+1) = y left(2 + frac1x+1right) = y left(2 + frac y2y + 1right)$.
Now, $fracy2y+1 sim frac 12$, hence $2 + frac y2y+1 sim 2.5$. We still have one $y$ remaining : this contributes to the limit being $+infty$.
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I think you cannot do $frac2x+3x^2-1 ∼ frac2xx^2$. You can do this only when $x$ is big enough so that finite number can be considered as 0 comparing to $x$. But in your case, $x$ approaches to finite number. Thus, the approximation does not work.
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Let consider $x=y+1to 0$ with $yto 0$
$$lim_xrightarrow 1^pmfrac 2x+3x^2-1=lim_yrightarrow 0 frac y+5y(y+3)=lim_yrightarrow 0 frac 1y cdot lim_yrightarrow 0 frac y+5y+3=frac53 lim_yrightarrow 0 frac 1y=pm infty$$
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For $xrightarrow1^+$, we have
$$frac2x+3x+1rightarrow frac52quadtextandquadfrac1x-1rightarrow+infty$$
and for $xrightarrow1^-$, we have
$$frac2x+3x+1rightarrow frac52quadtextandquadfrac1x-1rightarrow-infty$$
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The step
$$
frac 2x+3x^2-1sim frac2xx^2 = frac2x
$$
is completely unjustified and totally wrong.
For $x$ near $1$, $2x+5$ is not near $2x$, nor is $x^2-1$ near $x^2$.
You're confusing this with the limit at $pminfty$, where those steps are possible and meaningful.
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6 Answers
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6 Answers
6
active
oldest
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active
oldest
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active
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up vote
1
down vote
accepted
There is no indeterminant form here.
So you can directly evaluate the limits by putting $x=1^+$ and $x=1^-$
Also for your doubt,
You cannot approximate $frac2x+3x^2-1approxfrac2x$. It just makes no sense to do so.
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
accepted
There is no indeterminant form here.
So you can directly evaluate the limits by putting $x=1^+$ and $x=1^-$
Also for your doubt,
You cannot approximate $frac2x+3x^2-1approxfrac2x$. It just makes no sense to do so.
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
accepted
up vote
1
down vote
accepted
There is no indeterminant form here.
So you can directly evaluate the limits by putting $x=1^+$ and $x=1^-$
Also for your doubt,
You cannot approximate $frac2x+3x^2-1approxfrac2x$. It just makes no sense to do so.
There is no indeterminant form here.
So you can directly evaluate the limits by putting $x=1^+$ and $x=1^-$
Also for your doubt,
You cannot approximate $frac2x+3x^2-1approxfrac2x$. It just makes no sense to do so.
answered Aug 6 at 15:00


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The idea $frac2x+3x^2 - 1 sim frac2xx^2$ works only when the limit is to (positive) infinity. This is because we write $frac2x+3x^2-1 = frac2x+32x cdot fracx^2x^2-1 cdot frac2xx^2$, and when we take the limit as $x$ goes to infinity, we find that the first two fractions have limit $1$, hence the answer is the limit of $frac2xx^2$, if the limit were to infinity.
On the other hand, when the limit is as $x to 1^+$, this approach does not work, simply because the two fractions which had limit one earlier, don't have that limit anymore, so we cannot use the product rule to simplify our work.
On the other hand, your "high school" approach helps you in thinking about what the answer could be. In this case, the high school approach substitution on $frac2x+3x^2 - 1$ gives $frac 50$. Therefore, one would guess that the limit does not exist (or it is positive infinite).
The best way to prove this, is to do what the book does : $frac2x+3x^2-1 = frac1x-1 times frac2x+3x+1$. In the second expression, substitution works in computation of the limit, and the first has positive infinite as the limit, hence we get the answer.
Suppose you really wanted to use an approach using asymptotics. Then, set $y = frac 1x-1$. Then, as $x to 1^+$ we have $y to + infty$.
We get $frac2x+3(x-1)(x+1) = y left(2 + frac1x+1right) = y left(2 + frac y2y + 1right)$.
Now, $fracy2y+1 sim frac 12$, hence $2 + frac y2y+1 sim 2.5$. We still have one $y$ remaining : this contributes to the limit being $+infty$.
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The idea $frac2x+3x^2 - 1 sim frac2xx^2$ works only when the limit is to (positive) infinity. This is because we write $frac2x+3x^2-1 = frac2x+32x cdot fracx^2x^2-1 cdot frac2xx^2$, and when we take the limit as $x$ goes to infinity, we find that the first two fractions have limit $1$, hence the answer is the limit of $frac2xx^2$, if the limit were to infinity.
On the other hand, when the limit is as $x to 1^+$, this approach does not work, simply because the two fractions which had limit one earlier, don't have that limit anymore, so we cannot use the product rule to simplify our work.
On the other hand, your "high school" approach helps you in thinking about what the answer could be. In this case, the high school approach substitution on $frac2x+3x^2 - 1$ gives $frac 50$. Therefore, one would guess that the limit does not exist (or it is positive infinite).
The best way to prove this, is to do what the book does : $frac2x+3x^2-1 = frac1x-1 times frac2x+3x+1$. In the second expression, substitution works in computation of the limit, and the first has positive infinite as the limit, hence we get the answer.
Suppose you really wanted to use an approach using asymptotics. Then, set $y = frac 1x-1$. Then, as $x to 1^+$ we have $y to + infty$.
We get $frac2x+3(x-1)(x+1) = y left(2 + frac1x+1right) = y left(2 + frac y2y + 1right)$.
Now, $fracy2y+1 sim frac 12$, hence $2 + frac y2y+1 sim 2.5$. We still have one $y$ remaining : this contributes to the limit being $+infty$.
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The idea $frac2x+3x^2 - 1 sim frac2xx^2$ works only when the limit is to (positive) infinity. This is because we write $frac2x+3x^2-1 = frac2x+32x cdot fracx^2x^2-1 cdot frac2xx^2$, and when we take the limit as $x$ goes to infinity, we find that the first two fractions have limit $1$, hence the answer is the limit of $frac2xx^2$, if the limit were to infinity.
On the other hand, when the limit is as $x to 1^+$, this approach does not work, simply because the two fractions which had limit one earlier, don't have that limit anymore, so we cannot use the product rule to simplify our work.
On the other hand, your "high school" approach helps you in thinking about what the answer could be. In this case, the high school approach substitution on $frac2x+3x^2 - 1$ gives $frac 50$. Therefore, one would guess that the limit does not exist (or it is positive infinite).
The best way to prove this, is to do what the book does : $frac2x+3x^2-1 = frac1x-1 times frac2x+3x+1$. In the second expression, substitution works in computation of the limit, and the first has positive infinite as the limit, hence we get the answer.
Suppose you really wanted to use an approach using asymptotics. Then, set $y = frac 1x-1$. Then, as $x to 1^+$ we have $y to + infty$.
We get $frac2x+3(x-1)(x+1) = y left(2 + frac1x+1right) = y left(2 + frac y2y + 1right)$.
Now, $fracy2y+1 sim frac 12$, hence $2 + frac y2y+1 sim 2.5$. We still have one $y$ remaining : this contributes to the limit being $+infty$.
The idea $frac2x+3x^2 - 1 sim frac2xx^2$ works only when the limit is to (positive) infinity. This is because we write $frac2x+3x^2-1 = frac2x+32x cdot fracx^2x^2-1 cdot frac2xx^2$, and when we take the limit as $x$ goes to infinity, we find that the first two fractions have limit $1$, hence the answer is the limit of $frac2xx^2$, if the limit were to infinity.
On the other hand, when the limit is as $x to 1^+$, this approach does not work, simply because the two fractions which had limit one earlier, don't have that limit anymore, so we cannot use the product rule to simplify our work.
On the other hand, your "high school" approach helps you in thinking about what the answer could be. In this case, the high school approach substitution on $frac2x+3x^2 - 1$ gives $frac 50$. Therefore, one would guess that the limit does not exist (or it is positive infinite).
The best way to prove this, is to do what the book does : $frac2x+3x^2-1 = frac1x-1 times frac2x+3x+1$. In the second expression, substitution works in computation of the limit, and the first has positive infinite as the limit, hence we get the answer.
Suppose you really wanted to use an approach using asymptotics. Then, set $y = frac 1x-1$. Then, as $x to 1^+$ we have $y to + infty$.
We get $frac2x+3(x-1)(x+1) = y left(2 + frac1x+1right) = y left(2 + frac y2y + 1right)$.
Now, $fracy2y+1 sim frac 12$, hence $2 + frac y2y+1 sim 2.5$. We still have one $y$ remaining : this contributes to the limit being $+infty$.
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I think you cannot do $frac2x+3x^2-1 ∼ frac2xx^2$. You can do this only when $x$ is big enough so that finite number can be considered as 0 comparing to $x$. But in your case, $x$ approaches to finite number. Thus, the approximation does not work.
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I think you cannot do $frac2x+3x^2-1 ∼ frac2xx^2$. You can do this only when $x$ is big enough so that finite number can be considered as 0 comparing to $x$. But in your case, $x$ approaches to finite number. Thus, the approximation does not work.
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I think you cannot do $frac2x+3x^2-1 ∼ frac2xx^2$. You can do this only when $x$ is big enough so that finite number can be considered as 0 comparing to $x$. But in your case, $x$ approaches to finite number. Thus, the approximation does not work.
I think you cannot do $frac2x+3x^2-1 ∼ frac2xx^2$. You can do this only when $x$ is big enough so that finite number can be considered as 0 comparing to $x$. But in your case, $x$ approaches to finite number. Thus, the approximation does not work.
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Let consider $x=y+1to 0$ with $yto 0$
$$lim_xrightarrow 1^pmfrac 2x+3x^2-1=lim_yrightarrow 0 frac y+5y(y+3)=lim_yrightarrow 0 frac 1y cdot lim_yrightarrow 0 frac y+5y+3=frac53 lim_yrightarrow 0 frac 1y=pm infty$$
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Let consider $x=y+1to 0$ with $yto 0$
$$lim_xrightarrow 1^pmfrac 2x+3x^2-1=lim_yrightarrow 0 frac y+5y(y+3)=lim_yrightarrow 0 frac 1y cdot lim_yrightarrow 0 frac y+5y+3=frac53 lim_yrightarrow 0 frac 1y=pm infty$$
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Let consider $x=y+1to 0$ with $yto 0$
$$lim_xrightarrow 1^pmfrac 2x+3x^2-1=lim_yrightarrow 0 frac y+5y(y+3)=lim_yrightarrow 0 frac 1y cdot lim_yrightarrow 0 frac y+5y+3=frac53 lim_yrightarrow 0 frac 1y=pm infty$$
Let consider $x=y+1to 0$ with $yto 0$
$$lim_xrightarrow 1^pmfrac 2x+3x^2-1=lim_yrightarrow 0 frac y+5y(y+3)=lim_yrightarrow 0 frac 1y cdot lim_yrightarrow 0 frac y+5y+3=frac53 lim_yrightarrow 0 frac 1y=pm infty$$
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For $xrightarrow1^+$, we have
$$frac2x+3x+1rightarrow frac52quadtextandquadfrac1x-1rightarrow+infty$$
and for $xrightarrow1^-$, we have
$$frac2x+3x+1rightarrow frac52quadtextandquadfrac1x-1rightarrow-infty$$
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For $xrightarrow1^+$, we have
$$frac2x+3x+1rightarrow frac52quadtextandquadfrac1x-1rightarrow+infty$$
and for $xrightarrow1^-$, we have
$$frac2x+3x+1rightarrow frac52quadtextandquadfrac1x-1rightarrow-infty$$
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For $xrightarrow1^+$, we have
$$frac2x+3x+1rightarrow frac52quadtextandquadfrac1x-1rightarrow+infty$$
and for $xrightarrow1^-$, we have
$$frac2x+3x+1rightarrow frac52quadtextandquadfrac1x-1rightarrow-infty$$
For $xrightarrow1^+$, we have
$$frac2x+3x+1rightarrow frac52quadtextandquadfrac1x-1rightarrow+infty$$
and for $xrightarrow1^-$, we have
$$frac2x+3x+1rightarrow frac52quadtextandquadfrac1x-1rightarrow-infty$$
answered Aug 6 at 15:11
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The step
$$
frac 2x+3x^2-1sim frac2xx^2 = frac2x
$$
is completely unjustified and totally wrong.
For $x$ near $1$, $2x+5$ is not near $2x$, nor is $x^2-1$ near $x^2$.
You're confusing this with the limit at $pminfty$, where those steps are possible and meaningful.
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up vote
1
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The step
$$
frac 2x+3x^2-1sim frac2xx^2 = frac2x
$$
is completely unjustified and totally wrong.
For $x$ near $1$, $2x+5$ is not near $2x$, nor is $x^2-1$ near $x^2$.
You're confusing this with the limit at $pminfty$, where those steps are possible and meaningful.
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1
down vote
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The step
$$
frac 2x+3x^2-1sim frac2xx^2 = frac2x
$$
is completely unjustified and totally wrong.
For $x$ near $1$, $2x+5$ is not near $2x$, nor is $x^2-1$ near $x^2$.
You're confusing this with the limit at $pminfty$, where those steps are possible and meaningful.
The step
$$
frac 2x+3x^2-1sim frac2xx^2 = frac2x
$$
is completely unjustified and totally wrong.
For $x$ near $1$, $2x+5$ is not near $2x$, nor is $x^2-1$ near $x^2$.
You're confusing this with the limit at $pminfty$, where those steps are possible and meaningful.
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How does $x$ depend on $n$?
– Mark Viola
Aug 6 at 14:55
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What is $n$ here?
– prog_SAHIL
Aug 6 at 14:55
Sorry @MarkViola, fixed
– Cesare
Aug 6 at 14:56
@Cesare Look at the title. Fix that too please.
– Mark Viola
Aug 6 at 14:57
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Your approach would work if you were looking at the limit as $xtoinfty$. That is where your approach fails here: since $xto1^pm$, we don't have $frac2x+3x^2-1simfrac2xx^2$.
– Clayton
Aug 6 at 15:03