How to find the sum of $1+(1+r)s+(1+r+r^2)s^2+dots$?

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I was asked to find the geometric sum of the following:



$$1+(1+r)s+(1+r+r^2)s^2+dots$$



My first way to solve the problem is to expand the brackets, and sort them out into two different geometric series, and evaluate the separated series altogether:



$$1+(s+rs+dots)+(s^2+rs^2+r^2s^2+dots)$$



The only problem is it doesn't seem to work, as the third term, $(1+r+r^2 +r^3)s^3$ doesn't seem to fit the separated sequence correctly.



Any help would be appreciated.




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    Hint: $1+r+r^2 + cdots + r^k = frac1-r^k+11-r$
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I was asked to find the geometric sum of the following:



$$1+(1+r)s+(1+r+r^2)s^2+dots$$



My first way to solve the problem is to expand the brackets, and sort them out into two different geometric series, and evaluate the separated series altogether:



$$1+(s+rs+dots)+(s^2+rs^2+r^2s^2+dots)$$



The only problem is it doesn't seem to work, as the third term, $(1+r+r^2 +r^3)s^3$ doesn't seem to fit the separated sequence correctly.



Any help would be appreciated.




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    Hint: $1+r+r^2 + cdots + r^k = frac1-r^k+11-r$
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I was asked to find the geometric sum of the following:



$$1+(1+r)s+(1+r+r^2)s^2+dots$$



My first way to solve the problem is to expand the brackets, and sort them out into two different geometric series, and evaluate the separated series altogether:



$$1+(s+rs+dots)+(s^2+rs^2+r^2s^2+dots)$$



The only problem is it doesn't seem to work, as the third term, $(1+r+r^2 +r^3)s^3$ doesn't seem to fit the separated sequence correctly.



Any help would be appreciated.




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I was asked to find the geometric sum of the following:



$$1+(1+r)s+(1+r+r^2)s^2+dots$$



My first way to solve the problem is to expand the brackets, and sort them out into two different geometric series, and evaluate the separated series altogether:



$$1+(s+rs+dots)+(s^2+rs^2+r^2s^2+dots)$$



The only problem is it doesn't seem to work, as the third term, $(1+r+r^2 +r^3)s^3$ doesn't seem to fit the separated sequence correctly.



Any help would be appreciated.





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    Hint: $1+r+r^2 + cdots + r^k = frac1-r^k+11-r$
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    Hint: $1+r+r^2 + cdots + r^k = frac1-r^k+11-r$
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Hint: $1+r+r^2 + cdots + r^k = frac1-r^k+11-r$
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Hint: $1+r+r^2 + cdots + r^k = frac1-r^k+11-r$
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You expanded the brackets, but did not actually group:




$$1+(1+r)s+(1+r+r^2)s^2+...=1+(s+rscolorred+...)+(s^2+rs^2+r^2s^2colorred+...).$$




Here is the way to group:
$$1+(1+r)s+(1+r+r^2)s^2+...=1+(colorreds+colorgreenrs)+(colorreds^2+colorgreenrs^2+colorbluer^2s^2)+cdots=\
(1+colorreds+colorreds^2+cdots)+(colorgreenrs+colorgreenrs^2+cdots)+(colorbluer^2s^2+r^2s^3+cdots)=\
frac11-s+fracrs1-s+fracr^2s^21-s+cdots=\
frac11-s(1+rs+r^2s^2+cdots)=cdots$$
Can you finish?






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    Your sum can be written as
    $$sum_n=0^inftyleft(sum_k=0^nr^kright)s^n=sum_n=0^inftyfrac1-r^n+11-rs^n=frac11-rsum_n=0^inftys^n-
    fracr1-rsum_n=0^infty(rs)^n.$$
    Can you take it from here?



    P.S. Here we are assuming that $|s|<1$, $|rs|<1$ and $rnot=1$. What happens when $r=1$?






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      There's a typo in the last term (there should be a minus sign instead of a plus).
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    • @yoann Thanks for pointing out!!
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    If you multiply your series by $r-1$, you get$$(r-1)+(r^2-1)s+(r^3-1)s^2+cdots,tag1$$which is the sum of$$r+r^2s+r^3s^2+cdots$$with$$-1-s-s^2-cdots$$The sum of the first series is $frac r1-rs$, whereas the sum of the second one is $-frac11-s$. Therefore,$$(1)=frac1r-1left(frac r1-rs-frac11-sright)=frac1(1-s)(1-rs).$$






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      @farruhota I've edited my answer. Thank you.
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    You expanded the brackets, but did not actually group:




    $$1+(1+r)s+(1+r+r^2)s^2+...=1+(s+rscolorred+...)+(s^2+rs^2+r^2s^2colorred+...).$$




    Here is the way to group:
    $$1+(1+r)s+(1+r+r^2)s^2+...=1+(colorreds+colorgreenrs)+(colorreds^2+colorgreenrs^2+colorbluer^2s^2)+cdots=\
    (1+colorreds+colorreds^2+cdots)+(colorgreenrs+colorgreenrs^2+cdots)+(colorbluer^2s^2+r^2s^3+cdots)=\
    frac11-s+fracrs1-s+fracr^2s^21-s+cdots=\
    frac11-s(1+rs+r^2s^2+cdots)=cdots$$
    Can you finish?






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      You expanded the brackets, but did not actually group:




      $$1+(1+r)s+(1+r+r^2)s^2+...=1+(s+rscolorred+...)+(s^2+rs^2+r^2s^2colorred+...).$$




      Here is the way to group:
      $$1+(1+r)s+(1+r+r^2)s^2+...=1+(colorreds+colorgreenrs)+(colorreds^2+colorgreenrs^2+colorbluer^2s^2)+cdots=\
      (1+colorreds+colorreds^2+cdots)+(colorgreenrs+colorgreenrs^2+cdots)+(colorbluer^2s^2+r^2s^3+cdots)=\
      frac11-s+fracrs1-s+fracr^2s^21-s+cdots=\
      frac11-s(1+rs+r^2s^2+cdots)=cdots$$
      Can you finish?






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        You expanded the brackets, but did not actually group:




        $$1+(1+r)s+(1+r+r^2)s^2+...=1+(s+rscolorred+...)+(s^2+rs^2+r^2s^2colorred+...).$$




        Here is the way to group:
        $$1+(1+r)s+(1+r+r^2)s^2+...=1+(colorreds+colorgreenrs)+(colorreds^2+colorgreenrs^2+colorbluer^2s^2)+cdots=\
        (1+colorreds+colorreds^2+cdots)+(colorgreenrs+colorgreenrs^2+cdots)+(colorbluer^2s^2+r^2s^3+cdots)=\
        frac11-s+fracrs1-s+fracr^2s^21-s+cdots=\
        frac11-s(1+rs+r^2s^2+cdots)=cdots$$
        Can you finish?






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        You expanded the brackets, but did not actually group:




        $$1+(1+r)s+(1+r+r^2)s^2+...=1+(s+rscolorred+...)+(s^2+rs^2+r^2s^2colorred+...).$$




        Here is the way to group:
        $$1+(1+r)s+(1+r+r^2)s^2+...=1+(colorreds+colorgreenrs)+(colorreds^2+colorgreenrs^2+colorbluer^2s^2)+cdots=\
        (1+colorreds+colorreds^2+cdots)+(colorgreenrs+colorgreenrs^2+cdots)+(colorbluer^2s^2+r^2s^3+cdots)=\
        frac11-s+fracrs1-s+fracr^2s^21-s+cdots=\
        frac11-s(1+rs+r^2s^2+cdots)=cdots$$
        Can you finish?







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            Your sum can be written as
            $$sum_n=0^inftyleft(sum_k=0^nr^kright)s^n=sum_n=0^inftyfrac1-r^n+11-rs^n=frac11-rsum_n=0^inftys^n-
            fracr1-rsum_n=0^infty(rs)^n.$$
            Can you take it from here?



            P.S. Here we are assuming that $|s|<1$, $|rs|<1$ and $rnot=1$. What happens when $r=1$?






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              There's a typo in the last term (there should be a minus sign instead of a plus).
              – yoann
              Aug 5 at 10:10










            • @yoann Thanks for pointing out!!
              – Robert Z
              Aug 5 at 10:16














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            Your sum can be written as
            $$sum_n=0^inftyleft(sum_k=0^nr^kright)s^n=sum_n=0^inftyfrac1-r^n+11-rs^n=frac11-rsum_n=0^inftys^n-
            fracr1-rsum_n=0^infty(rs)^n.$$
            Can you take it from here?



            P.S. Here we are assuming that $|s|<1$, $|rs|<1$ and $rnot=1$. What happens when $r=1$?






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            • 1




              There's a typo in the last term (there should be a minus sign instead of a plus).
              – yoann
              Aug 5 at 10:10










            • @yoann Thanks for pointing out!!
              – Robert Z
              Aug 5 at 10:16












            up vote
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            up vote
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            Your sum can be written as
            $$sum_n=0^inftyleft(sum_k=0^nr^kright)s^n=sum_n=0^inftyfrac1-r^n+11-rs^n=frac11-rsum_n=0^inftys^n-
            fracr1-rsum_n=0^infty(rs)^n.$$
            Can you take it from here?



            P.S. Here we are assuming that $|s|<1$, $|rs|<1$ and $rnot=1$. What happens when $r=1$?






            share|cite|improve this answer















            Your sum can be written as
            $$sum_n=0^inftyleft(sum_k=0^nr^kright)s^n=sum_n=0^inftyfrac1-r^n+11-rs^n=frac11-rsum_n=0^inftys^n-
            fracr1-rsum_n=0^infty(rs)^n.$$
            Can you take it from here?



            P.S. Here we are assuming that $|s|<1$, $|rs|<1$ and $rnot=1$. What happens when $r=1$?







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              There's a typo in the last term (there should be a minus sign instead of a plus).
              – yoann
              Aug 5 at 10:10










            • @yoann Thanks for pointing out!!
              – Robert Z
              Aug 5 at 10:16












            • 1




              There's a typo in the last term (there should be a minus sign instead of a plus).
              – yoann
              Aug 5 at 10:10










            • @yoann Thanks for pointing out!!
              – Robert Z
              Aug 5 at 10:16







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            There's a typo in the last term (there should be a minus sign instead of a plus).
            – yoann
            Aug 5 at 10:10




            There's a typo in the last term (there should be a minus sign instead of a plus).
            – yoann
            Aug 5 at 10:10












            @yoann Thanks for pointing out!!
            – Robert Z
            Aug 5 at 10:16




            @yoann Thanks for pointing out!!
            – Robert Z
            Aug 5 at 10:16










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            If you multiply your series by $r-1$, you get$$(r-1)+(r^2-1)s+(r^3-1)s^2+cdots,tag1$$which is the sum of$$r+r^2s+r^3s^2+cdots$$with$$-1-s-s^2-cdots$$The sum of the first series is $frac r1-rs$, whereas the sum of the second one is $-frac11-s$. Therefore,$$(1)=frac1r-1left(frac r1-rs-frac11-sright)=frac1(1-s)(1-rs).$$






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              @farruhota I've edited my answer. Thank you.
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            If you multiply your series by $r-1$, you get$$(r-1)+(r^2-1)s+(r^3-1)s^2+cdots,tag1$$which is the sum of$$r+r^2s+r^3s^2+cdots$$with$$-1-s-s^2-cdots$$The sum of the first series is $frac r1-rs$, whereas the sum of the second one is $-frac11-s$. Therefore,$$(1)=frac1r-1left(frac r1-rs-frac11-sright)=frac1(1-s)(1-rs).$$






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              @farruhota I've edited my answer. Thank you.
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            If you multiply your series by $r-1$, you get$$(r-1)+(r^2-1)s+(r^3-1)s^2+cdots,tag1$$which is the sum of$$r+r^2s+r^3s^2+cdots$$with$$-1-s-s^2-cdots$$The sum of the first series is $frac r1-rs$, whereas the sum of the second one is $-frac11-s$. Therefore,$$(1)=frac1r-1left(frac r1-rs-frac11-sright)=frac1(1-s)(1-rs).$$






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            If you multiply your series by $r-1$, you get$$(r-1)+(r^2-1)s+(r^3-1)s^2+cdots,tag1$$which is the sum of$$r+r^2s+r^3s^2+cdots$$with$$-1-s-s^2-cdots$$The sum of the first series is $frac r1-rs$, whereas the sum of the second one is $-frac11-s$. Therefore,$$(1)=frac1r-1left(frac r1-rs-frac11-sright)=frac1(1-s)(1-rs).$$







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              @farruhota I've edited my answer. Thank you.
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              @farruhota I've edited my answer. Thank you.
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            @farruhota I've edited my answer. Thank you.
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