Kuratowski's theorem in every case?
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I have the following graph $G$ (from Chartrand and Zhang, page 235, figure 9.9)
which is based on a maximal planar graph on 7 vertices with an additional edge (labeled $uv$). This graph is nonplanar because $m>3n-6$. Also, this graph does not contain either $K_3,3$ or $K_5$ as a subgraph (this is proved in the text). My question is why doesn't this contradict Kuratowski's theorem? Shouldn't there be a subdivision of one of these contained in $G$? But there are no vertices of degree two in this graph, so I'm not sure what subgraph I can take to build either of the critical graphs. I know the subgraph needs the edge $uv$, but that's all I know.
At this point in the text, contractions haven't been discussed, and subdivisions were just introduced, so I'm not sure how to proceed.
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I have the following graph $G$ (from Chartrand and Zhang, page 235, figure 9.9)
which is based on a maximal planar graph on 7 vertices with an additional edge (labeled $uv$). This graph is nonplanar because $m>3n-6$. Also, this graph does not contain either $K_3,3$ or $K_5$ as a subgraph (this is proved in the text). My question is why doesn't this contradict Kuratowski's theorem? Shouldn't there be a subdivision of one of these contained in $G$? But there are no vertices of degree two in this graph, so I'm not sure what subgraph I can take to build either of the critical graphs. I know the subgraph needs the edge $uv$, but that's all I know.
At this point in the text, contractions haven't been discussed, and subdivisions were just introduced, so I'm not sure how to proceed.
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I have the following graph $G$ (from Chartrand and Zhang, page 235, figure 9.9)
which is based on a maximal planar graph on 7 vertices with an additional edge (labeled $uv$). This graph is nonplanar because $m>3n-6$. Also, this graph does not contain either $K_3,3$ or $K_5$ as a subgraph (this is proved in the text). My question is why doesn't this contradict Kuratowski's theorem? Shouldn't there be a subdivision of one of these contained in $G$? But there are no vertices of degree two in this graph, so I'm not sure what subgraph I can take to build either of the critical graphs. I know the subgraph needs the edge $uv$, but that's all I know.
At this point in the text, contractions haven't been discussed, and subdivisions were just introduced, so I'm not sure how to proceed.
graph-theory planar-graph
I have the following graph $G$ (from Chartrand and Zhang, page 235, figure 9.9)
which is based on a maximal planar graph on 7 vertices with an additional edge (labeled $uv$). This graph is nonplanar because $m>3n-6$. Also, this graph does not contain either $K_3,3$ or $K_5$ as a subgraph (this is proved in the text). My question is why doesn't this contradict Kuratowski's theorem? Shouldn't there be a subdivision of one of these contained in $G$? But there are no vertices of degree two in this graph, so I'm not sure what subgraph I can take to build either of the critical graphs. I know the subgraph needs the edge $uv$, but that's all I know.
At this point in the text, contractions haven't been discussed, and subdivisions were just introduced, so I'm not sure how to proceed.
graph-theory planar-graph
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There is a subdivided $K_3,3$ embedded in this graph. Each of $u,z,s$ are connected to each of $v,t,y$ by distinct edges of your graph, except that $u$ and $y$ are connected the two edge path $uxy$.
It took me about 45 minutes to follow the examples in the text, and now I think I understand the subgraph/subdivision distinction. I found this $K_3,3$ and then came back to find your answer - thank you!
– Joshua Sasmor
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$u,s,x,v,t$ forms a subdivision of $K_5$ in the graph. This can be formed by deleting the edges from $y$ and $z$ to $s$ and $t$, then smoothing out the path $xyzv$.
Thank you - this was helpful - I found a $K_3,3$, but I wasn't sure about the $K_5$.
– Joshua Sasmor
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Check again the statement of Kuratowski's theorem. It does not talk about subgraphs, but some kind of graph minors. This example is a perfect illustration why Kuratowski's theorem SHOULD NOT talk about subgraphs.
Thank you - it calls for a "subdivision of $K_3,3$ or $K_5$" I wasn't sure how to find that.
– Joshua Sasmor
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3 Answers
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There is a subdivided $K_3,3$ embedded in this graph. Each of $u,z,s$ are connected to each of $v,t,y$ by distinct edges of your graph, except that $u$ and $y$ are connected the two edge path $uxy$.
It took me about 45 minutes to follow the examples in the text, and now I think I understand the subgraph/subdivision distinction. I found this $K_3,3$ and then came back to find your answer - thank you!
– Joshua Sasmor
Jul 21 at 18:07
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There is a subdivided $K_3,3$ embedded in this graph. Each of $u,z,s$ are connected to each of $v,t,y$ by distinct edges of your graph, except that $u$ and $y$ are connected the two edge path $uxy$.
It took me about 45 minutes to follow the examples in the text, and now I think I understand the subgraph/subdivision distinction. I found this $K_3,3$ and then came back to find your answer - thank you!
– Joshua Sasmor
Jul 21 at 18:07
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There is a subdivided $K_3,3$ embedded in this graph. Each of $u,z,s$ are connected to each of $v,t,y$ by distinct edges of your graph, except that $u$ and $y$ are connected the two edge path $uxy$.
There is a subdivided $K_3,3$ embedded in this graph. Each of $u,z,s$ are connected to each of $v,t,y$ by distinct edges of your graph, except that $u$ and $y$ are connected the two edge path $uxy$.
answered Jul 21 at 17:32
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It took me about 45 minutes to follow the examples in the text, and now I think I understand the subgraph/subdivision distinction. I found this $K_3,3$ and then came back to find your answer - thank you!
– Joshua Sasmor
Jul 21 at 18:07
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It took me about 45 minutes to follow the examples in the text, and now I think I understand the subgraph/subdivision distinction. I found this $K_3,3$ and then came back to find your answer - thank you!
– Joshua Sasmor
Jul 21 at 18:07
It took me about 45 minutes to follow the examples in the text, and now I think I understand the subgraph/subdivision distinction. I found this $K_3,3$ and then came back to find your answer - thank you!
– Joshua Sasmor
Jul 21 at 18:07
It took me about 45 minutes to follow the examples in the text, and now I think I understand the subgraph/subdivision distinction. I found this $K_3,3$ and then came back to find your answer - thank you!
– Joshua Sasmor
Jul 21 at 18:07
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$u,s,x,v,t$ forms a subdivision of $K_5$ in the graph. This can be formed by deleting the edges from $y$ and $z$ to $s$ and $t$, then smoothing out the path $xyzv$.
Thank you - this was helpful - I found a $K_3,3$, but I wasn't sure about the $K_5$.
– Joshua Sasmor
Jul 21 at 18:07
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$u,s,x,v,t$ forms a subdivision of $K_5$ in the graph. This can be formed by deleting the edges from $y$ and $z$ to $s$ and $t$, then smoothing out the path $xyzv$.
Thank you - this was helpful - I found a $K_3,3$, but I wasn't sure about the $K_5$.
– Joshua Sasmor
Jul 21 at 18:07
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$u,s,x,v,t$ forms a subdivision of $K_5$ in the graph. This can be formed by deleting the edges from $y$ and $z$ to $s$ and $t$, then smoothing out the path $xyzv$.
$u,s,x,v,t$ forms a subdivision of $K_5$ in the graph. This can be formed by deleting the edges from $y$ and $z$ to $s$ and $t$, then smoothing out the path $xyzv$.
answered Jul 21 at 17:23


Parcly Taxel
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Thank you - this was helpful - I found a $K_3,3$, but I wasn't sure about the $K_5$.
– Joshua Sasmor
Jul 21 at 18:07
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Thank you - this was helpful - I found a $K_3,3$, but I wasn't sure about the $K_5$.
– Joshua Sasmor
Jul 21 at 18:07
Thank you - this was helpful - I found a $K_3,3$, but I wasn't sure about the $K_5$.
– Joshua Sasmor
Jul 21 at 18:07
Thank you - this was helpful - I found a $K_3,3$, but I wasn't sure about the $K_5$.
– Joshua Sasmor
Jul 21 at 18:07
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Check again the statement of Kuratowski's theorem. It does not talk about subgraphs, but some kind of graph minors. This example is a perfect illustration why Kuratowski's theorem SHOULD NOT talk about subgraphs.
Thank you - it calls for a "subdivision of $K_3,3$ or $K_5$" I wasn't sure how to find that.
– Joshua Sasmor
Jul 21 at 18:06
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Check again the statement of Kuratowski's theorem. It does not talk about subgraphs, but some kind of graph minors. This example is a perfect illustration why Kuratowski's theorem SHOULD NOT talk about subgraphs.
Thank you - it calls for a "subdivision of $K_3,3$ or $K_5$" I wasn't sure how to find that.
– Joshua Sasmor
Jul 21 at 18:06
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
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up vote
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Check again the statement of Kuratowski's theorem. It does not talk about subgraphs, but some kind of graph minors. This example is a perfect illustration why Kuratowski's theorem SHOULD NOT talk about subgraphs.
Check again the statement of Kuratowski's theorem. It does not talk about subgraphs, but some kind of graph minors. This example is a perfect illustration why Kuratowski's theorem SHOULD NOT talk about subgraphs.
answered Jul 21 at 17:52


A. Pongrácz
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Thank you - it calls for a "subdivision of $K_3,3$ or $K_5$" I wasn't sure how to find that.
– Joshua Sasmor
Jul 21 at 18:06
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Thank you - it calls for a "subdivision of $K_3,3$ or $K_5$" I wasn't sure how to find that.
– Joshua Sasmor
Jul 21 at 18:06
Thank you - it calls for a "subdivision of $K_3,3$ or $K_5$" I wasn't sure how to find that.
– Joshua Sasmor
Jul 21 at 18:06
Thank you - it calls for a "subdivision of $K_3,3$ or $K_5$" I wasn't sure how to find that.
– Joshua Sasmor
Jul 21 at 18:06
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