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I am struggling to move beyond the inverse step of taking the LaPlace general solution.



I know we take
$$mathcalLy'' + 9mathcalLy = g(t)$$



I know that $mathcalLy'' = s^2$Y(s) - sf(0) - f'(0)$



So then from simple plug and chug, I get that $mathcalLy'' = s^2Y(s) - 1 - 0.$ This is just directly from the IVP problem.



Likewise I know that $mathcalLy' = sY(s) - y(0)$.



Combining these together into the given equation $y''+9y'= g(t)$



I solve for $Y(s)$ and get $(g(t)+1)/(s^2+9s).$



Up to this point, I am stuck.







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  • In the right hand side you should have the Laplace transform of $g$. Its computation can be reduced to tabulated transforms using the properties of the Laplace transform, but it is simple enough that a direct computation looks even shorter: $mathcalL(g)=int_0^inftyg(t)e^-stdt=int_0^1e^-stdt+int_1^inftyte^-stdt=-frace^-ss+frac1s-frace^-s (s + 1)s^2$. Now is when you divide by $s^2+9s$. The next task is to compute the inverse Laplace transform of that quotient.
    – spiralstotheleft
    2 days ago











  • Your MathJax code was a mess. See my edits for proper usage.
    – Michael Hardy
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  • @spiralstotheleft from your method of computing the transform, how does one immediately know to divide by s^2+9s. Can this be intuitively seen from the problem?
    – SleepApnea
    2 days ago






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    That comes from what you yourself did on the left hand side of the equation. You computed that $mathcalL(y''+9y')=(s^2+9s)mathcalL(y)$. The whole goal of the method of applying the Laplace transform is to be able to solve for $mathcalL(y)$.
    – spiralstotheleft
    yesterday










  • the g(t) solution differs greatly from the solution posted by Isham
    – SleepApnea
    yesterday














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[Q1[1]



I am struggling to move beyond the inverse step of taking the LaPlace general solution.



I know we take
$$mathcalLy'' + 9mathcalLy = g(t)$$



I know that $mathcalLy'' = s^2$Y(s) - sf(0) - f'(0)$



So then from simple plug and chug, I get that $mathcalLy'' = s^2Y(s) - 1 - 0.$ This is just directly from the IVP problem.



Likewise I know that $mathcalLy' = sY(s) - y(0)$.



Combining these together into the given equation $y''+9y'= g(t)$



I solve for $Y(s)$ and get $(g(t)+1)/(s^2+9s).$



Up to this point, I am stuck.







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  • In the right hand side you should have the Laplace transform of $g$. Its computation can be reduced to tabulated transforms using the properties of the Laplace transform, but it is simple enough that a direct computation looks even shorter: $mathcalL(g)=int_0^inftyg(t)e^-stdt=int_0^1e^-stdt+int_1^inftyte^-stdt=-frace^-ss+frac1s-frace^-s (s + 1)s^2$. Now is when you divide by $s^2+9s$. The next task is to compute the inverse Laplace transform of that quotient.
    – spiralstotheleft
    2 days ago











  • Your MathJax code was a mess. See my edits for proper usage.
    – Michael Hardy
    2 days ago










  • @spiralstotheleft from your method of computing the transform, how does one immediately know to divide by s^2+9s. Can this be intuitively seen from the problem?
    – SleepApnea
    2 days ago






  • 1




    That comes from what you yourself did on the left hand side of the equation. You computed that $mathcalL(y''+9y')=(s^2+9s)mathcalL(y)$. The whole goal of the method of applying the Laplace transform is to be able to solve for $mathcalL(y)$.
    – spiralstotheleft
    yesterday










  • the g(t) solution differs greatly from the solution posted by Isham
    – SleepApnea
    yesterday












up vote
2
down vote

favorite









up vote
2
down vote

favorite











[Q1[1]



I am struggling to move beyond the inverse step of taking the LaPlace general solution.



I know we take
$$mathcalLy'' + 9mathcalLy = g(t)$$



I know that $mathcalLy'' = s^2$Y(s) - sf(0) - f'(0)$



So then from simple plug and chug, I get that $mathcalLy'' = s^2Y(s) - 1 - 0.$ This is just directly from the IVP problem.



Likewise I know that $mathcalLy' = sY(s) - y(0)$.



Combining these together into the given equation $y''+9y'= g(t)$



I solve for $Y(s)$ and get $(g(t)+1)/(s^2+9s).$



Up to this point, I am stuck.







share|cite|improve this question













[Q1[1]



I am struggling to move beyond the inverse step of taking the LaPlace general solution.



I know we take
$$mathcalLy'' + 9mathcalLy = g(t)$$



I know that $mathcalLy'' = s^2$Y(s) - sf(0) - f'(0)$



So then from simple plug and chug, I get that $mathcalLy'' = s^2Y(s) - 1 - 0.$ This is just directly from the IVP problem.



Likewise I know that $mathcalLy' = sY(s) - y(0)$.



Combining these together into the given equation $y''+9y'= g(t)$



I solve for $Y(s)$ and get $(g(t)+1)/(s^2+9s).$



Up to this point, I am stuck.









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  • In the right hand side you should have the Laplace transform of $g$. Its computation can be reduced to tabulated transforms using the properties of the Laplace transform, but it is simple enough that a direct computation looks even shorter: $mathcalL(g)=int_0^inftyg(t)e^-stdt=int_0^1e^-stdt+int_1^inftyte^-stdt=-frace^-ss+frac1s-frace^-s (s + 1)s^2$. Now is when you divide by $s^2+9s$. The next task is to compute the inverse Laplace transform of that quotient.
    – spiralstotheleft
    2 days ago











  • Your MathJax code was a mess. See my edits for proper usage.
    – Michael Hardy
    2 days ago










  • @spiralstotheleft from your method of computing the transform, how does one immediately know to divide by s^2+9s. Can this be intuitively seen from the problem?
    – SleepApnea
    2 days ago






  • 1




    That comes from what you yourself did on the left hand side of the equation. You computed that $mathcalL(y''+9y')=(s^2+9s)mathcalL(y)$. The whole goal of the method of applying the Laplace transform is to be able to solve for $mathcalL(y)$.
    – spiralstotheleft
    yesterday










  • the g(t) solution differs greatly from the solution posted by Isham
    – SleepApnea
    yesterday
















  • In the right hand side you should have the Laplace transform of $g$. Its computation can be reduced to tabulated transforms using the properties of the Laplace transform, but it is simple enough that a direct computation looks even shorter: $mathcalL(g)=int_0^inftyg(t)e^-stdt=int_0^1e^-stdt+int_1^inftyte^-stdt=-frace^-ss+frac1s-frace^-s (s + 1)s^2$. Now is when you divide by $s^2+9s$. The next task is to compute the inverse Laplace transform of that quotient.
    – spiralstotheleft
    2 days ago











  • Your MathJax code was a mess. See my edits for proper usage.
    – Michael Hardy
    2 days ago










  • @spiralstotheleft from your method of computing the transform, how does one immediately know to divide by s^2+9s. Can this be intuitively seen from the problem?
    – SleepApnea
    2 days ago






  • 1




    That comes from what you yourself did on the left hand side of the equation. You computed that $mathcalL(y''+9y')=(s^2+9s)mathcalL(y)$. The whole goal of the method of applying the Laplace transform is to be able to solve for $mathcalL(y)$.
    – spiralstotheleft
    yesterday










  • the g(t) solution differs greatly from the solution posted by Isham
    – SleepApnea
    yesterday















In the right hand side you should have the Laplace transform of $g$. Its computation can be reduced to tabulated transforms using the properties of the Laplace transform, but it is simple enough that a direct computation looks even shorter: $mathcalL(g)=int_0^inftyg(t)e^-stdt=int_0^1e^-stdt+int_1^inftyte^-stdt=-frace^-ss+frac1s-frace^-s (s + 1)s^2$. Now is when you divide by $s^2+9s$. The next task is to compute the inverse Laplace transform of that quotient.
– spiralstotheleft
2 days ago





In the right hand side you should have the Laplace transform of $g$. Its computation can be reduced to tabulated transforms using the properties of the Laplace transform, but it is simple enough that a direct computation looks even shorter: $mathcalL(g)=int_0^inftyg(t)e^-stdt=int_0^1e^-stdt+int_1^inftyte^-stdt=-frace^-ss+frac1s-frace^-s (s + 1)s^2$. Now is when you divide by $s^2+9s$. The next task is to compute the inverse Laplace transform of that quotient.
– spiralstotheleft
2 days ago













Your MathJax code was a mess. See my edits for proper usage.
– Michael Hardy
2 days ago




Your MathJax code was a mess. See my edits for proper usage.
– Michael Hardy
2 days ago












@spiralstotheleft from your method of computing the transform, how does one immediately know to divide by s^2+9s. Can this be intuitively seen from the problem?
– SleepApnea
2 days ago




@spiralstotheleft from your method of computing the transform, how does one immediately know to divide by s^2+9s. Can this be intuitively seen from the problem?
– SleepApnea
2 days ago




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That comes from what you yourself did on the left hand side of the equation. You computed that $mathcalL(y''+9y')=(s^2+9s)mathcalL(y)$. The whole goal of the method of applying the Laplace transform is to be able to solve for $mathcalL(y)$.
– spiralstotheleft
yesterday




That comes from what you yourself did on the left hand side of the equation. You computed that $mathcalL(y''+9y')=(s^2+9s)mathcalL(y)$. The whole goal of the method of applying the Laplace transform is to be able to solve for $mathcalL(y)$.
– spiralstotheleft
yesterday












the g(t) solution differs greatly from the solution posted by Isham
– SleepApnea
yesterday




the g(t) solution differs greatly from the solution posted by Isham
– SleepApnea
yesterday










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$$y''+9y'=g(t)$$
Take the Laplace transform of both sides
$$s^2F(s)-sy(0)-y'(0)+9(sF(s)-y(0))=mathcal L(g(t))$$
$$s^2F(s)-1+9sF(s)=mathcal L(g(t))$$
$$F(s)(s^2+9s)=1+mathcal L(g(t))$$
You can use the heaviside function
$$g(t)=1(H(t)-H(t-1))+t(H(t-1))$$
$$g(t)=1H(t)+(t-1)(H(t-1))$$
You have also that the laplace transform of
$$mathcal L(H(t-a)f(t-a))=e^-asF(s)$$



Therefore
$$mathcal L(g(t))=frac 1s+frac e^-ss^2$$
you have now that
$$F(s)(s^2+9s)=1+frac 1s+frac e^-ss^2$$
$$F(s)=frac 1 s(s+9)+frac 1s^2(s+9)+frac e^-ss^3(s+9)$$
You can use fractions decompositions ..




For the first fraction we decompose this way
$$h(s)=frac 1 s(s+9)=frac 19(frac 1s-frac 1s+9)$$
then with the laplace transform table you see that
$$mathcalL(h(s))=frac 19 (1-e^-9t)$$



Edit2
for the last fraction dont pay attention to the exponential put it outside
$$f(s)=frac e^-ss^3(s+9)=e^-sleft (frac 1s^3(s+9) right)$$
then perform fraction decomposition...the exponential is just a shift






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  • Isham. Thank you for your response. Why don't we take the inverse of the LaPlace transform?
    – SleepApnea
    yesterday










  • decompose the fraction so you can take the inverse Laplace transform thats the last step ...@SleepApnea
    – Isham
    yesterday










  • the first fraction would thus decompose into sin(3t), the second fraction will decompose into sin^-1(3t). What transform contains e^s in its numerator? Thank you for your help
    – SleepApnea
    yesterday






  • 1




    You are right. Sorry. I made a mistake. You are absolutely right. Mr. Isham. If it is at all convenient for you, can you please post some insights into this question as well? math.stackexchange.com/questions/2872881/…
    – SleepApnea
    yesterday






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    yesterday










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$$y''+9y'=g(t)$$
Take the Laplace transform of both sides
$$s^2F(s)-sy(0)-y'(0)+9(sF(s)-y(0))=mathcal L(g(t))$$
$$s^2F(s)-1+9sF(s)=mathcal L(g(t))$$
$$F(s)(s^2+9s)=1+mathcal L(g(t))$$
You can use the heaviside function
$$g(t)=1(H(t)-H(t-1))+t(H(t-1))$$
$$g(t)=1H(t)+(t-1)(H(t-1))$$
You have also that the laplace transform of
$$mathcal L(H(t-a)f(t-a))=e^-asF(s)$$



Therefore
$$mathcal L(g(t))=frac 1s+frac e^-ss^2$$
you have now that
$$F(s)(s^2+9s)=1+frac 1s+frac e^-ss^2$$
$$F(s)=frac 1 s(s+9)+frac 1s^2(s+9)+frac e^-ss^3(s+9)$$
You can use fractions decompositions ..




For the first fraction we decompose this way
$$h(s)=frac 1 s(s+9)=frac 19(frac 1s-frac 1s+9)$$
then with the laplace transform table you see that
$$mathcalL(h(s))=frac 19 (1-e^-9t)$$



Edit2
for the last fraction dont pay attention to the exponential put it outside
$$f(s)=frac e^-ss^3(s+9)=e^-sleft (frac 1s^3(s+9) right)$$
then perform fraction decomposition...the exponential is just a shift






share|cite|improve this answer























  • Isham. Thank you for your response. Why don't we take the inverse of the LaPlace transform?
    – SleepApnea
    yesterday










  • decompose the fraction so you can take the inverse Laplace transform thats the last step ...@SleepApnea
    – Isham
    yesterday










  • the first fraction would thus decompose into sin(3t), the second fraction will decompose into sin^-1(3t). What transform contains e^s in its numerator? Thank you for your help
    – SleepApnea
    yesterday






  • 1




    You are right. Sorry. I made a mistake. You are absolutely right. Mr. Isham. If it is at all convenient for you, can you please post some insights into this question as well? math.stackexchange.com/questions/2872881/…
    – SleepApnea
    yesterday






  • 1




    Thank you kind sir
    – SleepApnea
    yesterday














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$$y''+9y'=g(t)$$
Take the Laplace transform of both sides
$$s^2F(s)-sy(0)-y'(0)+9(sF(s)-y(0))=mathcal L(g(t))$$
$$s^2F(s)-1+9sF(s)=mathcal L(g(t))$$
$$F(s)(s^2+9s)=1+mathcal L(g(t))$$
You can use the heaviside function
$$g(t)=1(H(t)-H(t-1))+t(H(t-1))$$
$$g(t)=1H(t)+(t-1)(H(t-1))$$
You have also that the laplace transform of
$$mathcal L(H(t-a)f(t-a))=e^-asF(s)$$



Therefore
$$mathcal L(g(t))=frac 1s+frac e^-ss^2$$
you have now that
$$F(s)(s^2+9s)=1+frac 1s+frac e^-ss^2$$
$$F(s)=frac 1 s(s+9)+frac 1s^2(s+9)+frac e^-ss^3(s+9)$$
You can use fractions decompositions ..




For the first fraction we decompose this way
$$h(s)=frac 1 s(s+9)=frac 19(frac 1s-frac 1s+9)$$
then with the laplace transform table you see that
$$mathcalL(h(s))=frac 19 (1-e^-9t)$$



Edit2
for the last fraction dont pay attention to the exponential put it outside
$$f(s)=frac e^-ss^3(s+9)=e^-sleft (frac 1s^3(s+9) right)$$
then perform fraction decomposition...the exponential is just a shift






share|cite|improve this answer























  • Isham. Thank you for your response. Why don't we take the inverse of the LaPlace transform?
    – SleepApnea
    yesterday










  • decompose the fraction so you can take the inverse Laplace transform thats the last step ...@SleepApnea
    – Isham
    yesterday










  • the first fraction would thus decompose into sin(3t), the second fraction will decompose into sin^-1(3t). What transform contains e^s in its numerator? Thank you for your help
    – SleepApnea
    yesterday






  • 1




    You are right. Sorry. I made a mistake. You are absolutely right. Mr. Isham. If it is at all convenient for you, can you please post some insights into this question as well? math.stackexchange.com/questions/2872881/…
    – SleepApnea
    yesterday






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    Thank you kind sir
    – SleepApnea
    yesterday












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up vote
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$$y''+9y'=g(t)$$
Take the Laplace transform of both sides
$$s^2F(s)-sy(0)-y'(0)+9(sF(s)-y(0))=mathcal L(g(t))$$
$$s^2F(s)-1+9sF(s)=mathcal L(g(t))$$
$$F(s)(s^2+9s)=1+mathcal L(g(t))$$
You can use the heaviside function
$$g(t)=1(H(t)-H(t-1))+t(H(t-1))$$
$$g(t)=1H(t)+(t-1)(H(t-1))$$
You have also that the laplace transform of
$$mathcal L(H(t-a)f(t-a))=e^-asF(s)$$



Therefore
$$mathcal L(g(t))=frac 1s+frac e^-ss^2$$
you have now that
$$F(s)(s^2+9s)=1+frac 1s+frac e^-ss^2$$
$$F(s)=frac 1 s(s+9)+frac 1s^2(s+9)+frac e^-ss^3(s+9)$$
You can use fractions decompositions ..




For the first fraction we decompose this way
$$h(s)=frac 1 s(s+9)=frac 19(frac 1s-frac 1s+9)$$
then with the laplace transform table you see that
$$mathcalL(h(s))=frac 19 (1-e^-9t)$$



Edit2
for the last fraction dont pay attention to the exponential put it outside
$$f(s)=frac e^-ss^3(s+9)=e^-sleft (frac 1s^3(s+9) right)$$
then perform fraction decomposition...the exponential is just a shift






share|cite|improve this answer















$$y''+9y'=g(t)$$
Take the Laplace transform of both sides
$$s^2F(s)-sy(0)-y'(0)+9(sF(s)-y(0))=mathcal L(g(t))$$
$$s^2F(s)-1+9sF(s)=mathcal L(g(t))$$
$$F(s)(s^2+9s)=1+mathcal L(g(t))$$
You can use the heaviside function
$$g(t)=1(H(t)-H(t-1))+t(H(t-1))$$
$$g(t)=1H(t)+(t-1)(H(t-1))$$
You have also that the laplace transform of
$$mathcal L(H(t-a)f(t-a))=e^-asF(s)$$



Therefore
$$mathcal L(g(t))=frac 1s+frac e^-ss^2$$
you have now that
$$F(s)(s^2+9s)=1+frac 1s+frac e^-ss^2$$
$$F(s)=frac 1 s(s+9)+frac 1s^2(s+9)+frac e^-ss^3(s+9)$$
You can use fractions decompositions ..




For the first fraction we decompose this way
$$h(s)=frac 1 s(s+9)=frac 19(frac 1s-frac 1s+9)$$
then with the laplace transform table you see that
$$mathcalL(h(s))=frac 19 (1-e^-9t)$$



Edit2
for the last fraction dont pay attention to the exponential put it outside
$$f(s)=frac e^-ss^3(s+9)=e^-sleft (frac 1s^3(s+9) right)$$
then perform fraction decomposition...the exponential is just a shift







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  • Isham. Thank you for your response. Why don't we take the inverse of the LaPlace transform?
    – SleepApnea
    yesterday










  • decompose the fraction so you can take the inverse Laplace transform thats the last step ...@SleepApnea
    – Isham
    yesterday










  • the first fraction would thus decompose into sin(3t), the second fraction will decompose into sin^-1(3t). What transform contains e^s in its numerator? Thank you for your help
    – SleepApnea
    yesterday






  • 1




    You are right. Sorry. I made a mistake. You are absolutely right. Mr. Isham. If it is at all convenient for you, can you please post some insights into this question as well? math.stackexchange.com/questions/2872881/…
    – SleepApnea
    yesterday






  • 1




    Thank you kind sir
    – SleepApnea
    yesterday
















  • Isham. Thank you for your response. Why don't we take the inverse of the LaPlace transform?
    – SleepApnea
    yesterday










  • decompose the fraction so you can take the inverse Laplace transform thats the last step ...@SleepApnea
    – Isham
    yesterday










  • the first fraction would thus decompose into sin(3t), the second fraction will decompose into sin^-1(3t). What transform contains e^s in its numerator? Thank you for your help
    – SleepApnea
    yesterday






  • 1




    You are right. Sorry. I made a mistake. You are absolutely right. Mr. Isham. If it is at all convenient for you, can you please post some insights into this question as well? math.stackexchange.com/questions/2872881/…
    – SleepApnea
    yesterday






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    Thank you kind sir
    – SleepApnea
    yesterday















Isham. Thank you for your response. Why don't we take the inverse of the LaPlace transform?
– SleepApnea
yesterday




Isham. Thank you for your response. Why don't we take the inverse of the LaPlace transform?
– SleepApnea
yesterday












decompose the fraction so you can take the inverse Laplace transform thats the last step ...@SleepApnea
– Isham
yesterday




decompose the fraction so you can take the inverse Laplace transform thats the last step ...@SleepApnea
– Isham
yesterday












the first fraction would thus decompose into sin(3t), the second fraction will decompose into sin^-1(3t). What transform contains e^s in its numerator? Thank you for your help
– SleepApnea
yesterday




the first fraction would thus decompose into sin(3t), the second fraction will decompose into sin^-1(3t). What transform contains e^s in its numerator? Thank you for your help
– SleepApnea
yesterday




1




1




You are right. Sorry. I made a mistake. You are absolutely right. Mr. Isham. If it is at all convenient for you, can you please post some insights into this question as well? math.stackexchange.com/questions/2872881/…
– SleepApnea
yesterday




You are right. Sorry. I made a mistake. You are absolutely right. Mr. Isham. If it is at all convenient for you, can you please post some insights into this question as well? math.stackexchange.com/questions/2872881/…
– SleepApnea
yesterday




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