Recurrence Relations Defined In Terms of Each Other to Closed Form

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I am doing some research into the movement of robots executing a given algorithm, and have come up with the following recursive equations that describe the movement of the robots at each iteration:



beginequation
theta_i = frac34theta_i-1
endequation



beginequation
L_i=frac12sqrtL_i-1^2+A_i-1^2
endequation



beginequation
A_i=L_itantheta_i
endequation




Where the initial conditions are $theta_1=45^circ$, $;L_1=frac12d$, and $frac12d$.




It is clear that the first recurrence relation can simply be replaced with the following closed-form solution:



beginequation
theta_i = big(frac34big)^i-1;theta_1
endequation



But my problem is trying to obtain closed-form solutions to the other two equations that are defined in terms of each other. Is there a way to do this?







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  • $L_i=frac12sqrtL_i-1^2+A_i-1^2=frac12 L_i-1sqrt1+tantheta_i-1$, ...
    – Jens Schwaiger
    Jul 15 at 3:09











  • You can eliminate $,A_i,$ and get $displaystyle L_i^2 = fracL_i-1^24 cos^2 theta_i-1$ which telescopes, but you still need to evaluate the trigonometric product that ensues in the denominator to get a truly closed form.
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    Jul 15 at 3:13















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I am doing some research into the movement of robots executing a given algorithm, and have come up with the following recursive equations that describe the movement of the robots at each iteration:



beginequation
theta_i = frac34theta_i-1
endequation



beginequation
L_i=frac12sqrtL_i-1^2+A_i-1^2
endequation



beginequation
A_i=L_itantheta_i
endequation




Where the initial conditions are $theta_1=45^circ$, $;L_1=frac12d$, and $frac12d$.




It is clear that the first recurrence relation can simply be replaced with the following closed-form solution:



beginequation
theta_i = big(frac34big)^i-1;theta_1
endequation



But my problem is trying to obtain closed-form solutions to the other two equations that are defined in terms of each other. Is there a way to do this?







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  • $L_i=frac12sqrtL_i-1^2+A_i-1^2=frac12 L_i-1sqrt1+tantheta_i-1$, ...
    – Jens Schwaiger
    Jul 15 at 3:09











  • You can eliminate $,A_i,$ and get $displaystyle L_i^2 = fracL_i-1^24 cos^2 theta_i-1$ which telescopes, but you still need to evaluate the trigonometric product that ensues in the denominator to get a truly closed form.
    – dxiv
    Jul 15 at 3:13













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I am doing some research into the movement of robots executing a given algorithm, and have come up with the following recursive equations that describe the movement of the robots at each iteration:



beginequation
theta_i = frac34theta_i-1
endequation



beginequation
L_i=frac12sqrtL_i-1^2+A_i-1^2
endequation



beginequation
A_i=L_itantheta_i
endequation




Where the initial conditions are $theta_1=45^circ$, $;L_1=frac12d$, and $frac12d$.




It is clear that the first recurrence relation can simply be replaced with the following closed-form solution:



beginequation
theta_i = big(frac34big)^i-1;theta_1
endequation



But my problem is trying to obtain closed-form solutions to the other two equations that are defined in terms of each other. Is there a way to do this?







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I am doing some research into the movement of robots executing a given algorithm, and have come up with the following recursive equations that describe the movement of the robots at each iteration:



beginequation
theta_i = frac34theta_i-1
endequation



beginequation
L_i=frac12sqrtL_i-1^2+A_i-1^2
endequation



beginequation
A_i=L_itantheta_i
endequation




Where the initial conditions are $theta_1=45^circ$, $;L_1=frac12d$, and $frac12d$.




It is clear that the first recurrence relation can simply be replaced with the following closed-form solution:



beginequation
theta_i = big(frac34big)^i-1;theta_1
endequation



But my problem is trying to obtain closed-form solutions to the other two equations that are defined in terms of each other. Is there a way to do this?









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  • $L_i=frac12sqrtL_i-1^2+A_i-1^2=frac12 L_i-1sqrt1+tantheta_i-1$, ...
    – Jens Schwaiger
    Jul 15 at 3:09











  • You can eliminate $,A_i,$ and get $displaystyle L_i^2 = fracL_i-1^24 cos^2 theta_i-1$ which telescopes, but you still need to evaluate the trigonometric product that ensues in the denominator to get a truly closed form.
    – dxiv
    Jul 15 at 3:13

















  • $L_i=frac12sqrtL_i-1^2+A_i-1^2=frac12 L_i-1sqrt1+tantheta_i-1$, ...
    – Jens Schwaiger
    Jul 15 at 3:09











  • You can eliminate $,A_i,$ and get $displaystyle L_i^2 = fracL_i-1^24 cos^2 theta_i-1$ which telescopes, but you still need to evaluate the trigonometric product that ensues in the denominator to get a truly closed form.
    – dxiv
    Jul 15 at 3:13
















$L_i=frac12sqrtL_i-1^2+A_i-1^2=frac12 L_i-1sqrt1+tantheta_i-1$, ...
– Jens Schwaiger
Jul 15 at 3:09





$L_i=frac12sqrtL_i-1^2+A_i-1^2=frac12 L_i-1sqrt1+tantheta_i-1$, ...
– Jens Schwaiger
Jul 15 at 3:09













You can eliminate $,A_i,$ and get $displaystyle L_i^2 = fracL_i-1^24 cos^2 theta_i-1$ which telescopes, but you still need to evaluate the trigonometric product that ensues in the denominator to get a truly closed form.
– dxiv
Jul 15 at 3:13





You can eliminate $,A_i,$ and get $displaystyle L_i^2 = fracL_i-1^24 cos^2 theta_i-1$ which telescopes, but you still need to evaluate the trigonometric product that ensues in the denominator to get a truly closed form.
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I believe if you replace the $A_i-1$ with your formula for $A_i$ you should come to the conclusion that $$L_i = (frac12)^i-1prod_k=1^i-1sec(θ_k)L_1$$ and that consequently,
$$A_i = (frac12)^i-1prod_k=1^i-1sec(θ_k)L_1tan(θ_i)$$
where you have already given a closed form formula for $θ_i$.






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    I believe if you replace the $A_i-1$ with your formula for $A_i$ you should come to the conclusion that $$L_i = (frac12)^i-1prod_k=1^i-1sec(θ_k)L_1$$ and that consequently,
    $$A_i = (frac12)^i-1prod_k=1^i-1sec(θ_k)L_1tan(θ_i)$$
    where you have already given a closed form formula for $θ_i$.






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      I believe if you replace the $A_i-1$ with your formula for $A_i$ you should come to the conclusion that $$L_i = (frac12)^i-1prod_k=1^i-1sec(θ_k)L_1$$ and that consequently,
      $$A_i = (frac12)^i-1prod_k=1^i-1sec(θ_k)L_1tan(θ_i)$$
      where you have already given a closed form formula for $θ_i$.






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        I believe if you replace the $A_i-1$ with your formula for $A_i$ you should come to the conclusion that $$L_i = (frac12)^i-1prod_k=1^i-1sec(θ_k)L_1$$ and that consequently,
        $$A_i = (frac12)^i-1prod_k=1^i-1sec(θ_k)L_1tan(θ_i)$$
        where you have already given a closed form formula for $θ_i$.






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        I believe if you replace the $A_i-1$ with your formula for $A_i$ you should come to the conclusion that $$L_i = (frac12)^i-1prod_k=1^i-1sec(θ_k)L_1$$ and that consequently,
        $$A_i = (frac12)^i-1prod_k=1^i-1sec(θ_k)L_1tan(θ_i)$$
        where you have already given a closed form formula for $θ_i$.







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