Find all real number(s) $x$ satisfying the equation $(x +1)^3$ = $x^3$ , where $y$ denotes the fractional part of $y$

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Find all real number(s) $x$ satisfying the equation $(x +1)^3$ = $x^3$ , where $y$ denotes the fractional part of $y$ , for example $3.1416ldots=0.1416ldots$.



I am trying all positive real numbers from $1,2,dots$ but I didn't get any decimals.



Is there a smarter way to solve this problem? ... Please advise.







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  • Use $ x$ for $ x$.
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    You're trying all positive real numbers? xD
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  • To begn with, the left side is a number between $0$ and $1$ , so the right side must be the same. This tells you that all solutions must fall in the range $[0,1)$ at best, if there are any solutions.
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Find all real number(s) $x$ satisfying the equation $(x +1)^3$ = $x^3$ , where $y$ denotes the fractional part of $y$ , for example $3.1416ldots=0.1416ldots$.



I am trying all positive real numbers from $1,2,dots$ but I didn't get any decimals.



Is there a smarter way to solve this problem? ... Please advise.







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  • Use $ x$ for $ x$.
    – Shaun
    Jul 18 at 9:47






  • 3




    You're trying all positive real numbers? xD
    – principal-ideal-domain
    Jul 18 at 9:52










  • To begn with, the left side is a number between $0$ and $1$ , so the right side must be the same. This tells you that all solutions must fall in the range $[0,1)$ at best, if there are any solutions.
    – MPW
    Jul 18 at 9:55












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Find all real number(s) $x$ satisfying the equation $(x +1)^3$ = $x^3$ , where $y$ denotes the fractional part of $y$ , for example $3.1416ldots=0.1416ldots$.



I am trying all positive real numbers from $1,2,dots$ but I didn't get any decimals.



Is there a smarter way to solve this problem? ... Please advise.







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Find all real number(s) $x$ satisfying the equation $(x +1)^3$ = $x^3$ , where $y$ denotes the fractional part of $y$ , for example $3.1416ldots=0.1416ldots$.



I am trying all positive real numbers from $1,2,dots$ but I didn't get any decimals.



Is there a smarter way to solve this problem? ... Please advise.









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  • Use $ x$ for $ x$.
    – Shaun
    Jul 18 at 9:47






  • 3




    You're trying all positive real numbers? xD
    – principal-ideal-domain
    Jul 18 at 9:52










  • To begn with, the left side is a number between $0$ and $1$ , so the right side must be the same. This tells you that all solutions must fall in the range $[0,1)$ at best, if there are any solutions.
    – MPW
    Jul 18 at 9:55
















  • Use $ x$ for $ x$.
    – Shaun
    Jul 18 at 9:47






  • 3




    You're trying all positive real numbers? xD
    – principal-ideal-domain
    Jul 18 at 9:52










  • To begn with, the left side is a number between $0$ and $1$ , so the right side must be the same. This tells you that all solutions must fall in the range $[0,1)$ at best, if there are any solutions.
    – MPW
    Jul 18 at 9:55















Use $ x$ for $ x$.
– Shaun
Jul 18 at 9:47




Use $ x$ for $ x$.
– Shaun
Jul 18 at 9:47




3




3




You're trying all positive real numbers? xD
– principal-ideal-domain
Jul 18 at 9:52




You're trying all positive real numbers? xD
– principal-ideal-domain
Jul 18 at 9:52












To begn with, the left side is a number between $0$ and $1$ , so the right side must be the same. This tells you that all solutions must fall in the range $[0,1)$ at best, if there are any solutions.
– MPW
Jul 18 at 9:55




To begn with, the left side is a number between $0$ and $1$ , so the right side must be the same. This tells you that all solutions must fall in the range $[0,1)$ at best, if there are any solutions.
– MPW
Jul 18 at 9:55










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Fractional part is always in $[0,1)$. So the domain of $g(x)=x^3$ you are looking for is such that $R_gin[0,1)$, which happens to be $[0,1)$.



$y=(x+1)^3$ is basically $y=(x+1)^3$ chopped into appropriate pieces and translated down by some $kinmathbbZ$ where $k=lfloor(x+1)^3rfloor$



So we solve
$$(x+1)^3-k=x^3$$
which gives
$$k=3x^2+3x+1$$



Since for $[0,1)$, $0le(x+1)^3<8$, we check
$$3x^2+3x+1=0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7$$
whose positive roots give the answers.






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  • In fact the fractional part is always in $[0,1)$
    – MPW
    Jul 18 at 9:55










  • @MPW ugh my bad! edited. thanks a lot
    – Karn Watcharasupat
    Jul 18 at 9:57

















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Hints:



  • $0 le y lt 1$

  • so any solution to $(x +1)^3 = x^3$ has $0 le x^3 lt 1$ and thus $0 le x lt 1$

  • so $1 le x+1 lt 2$ and $1 le (x+1)^3 lt 8$

  • any solution has $(x+1)^3 = x^3 +n$ for $n in 1,2,3,4,5,6,7$, which gives you seven quadratic equations to check

  • for example, $x=0$ is a solution when $n=1$





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    Well, first of all you're checking only 'all' integers and not all reals which include also $1/2$ or $pi$ for example. I will try to give you an outline of how I would approach it.



    Second of all, note that the left-hand side is always between $0$ and $1$. So, what is implied about the range $x$ might be in?

    Once, you determined that you should be splitting up the range of possible $x$ into smaller segments such that for each segment you can find a natural number $n$ such that
    $$(x+1)^3 = (x+1)^3 - n.$$
    Hint: there are $7$ segments that you should consider. Then for each segment it boils down in solving
    $$ (x+1)^3 - n = x^3.$$
    This looks difficult at first sight but I guarantee it will simplify to a quadratic polynomial (which you can solve). Please don't forget that the solutions of this equation should still be in the range on which we consider solutions to be part of.



    I hope this helps and if you have any questions about any of these steps, feel free to ask them.






    share|cite|improve this answer























    • Thanks for the explanation ... This really helped. ...
      – Math Tise
      Jul 18 at 10:26










    • I get the following answers :
      – Math Tise
      Jul 18 at 10:27










    • for n=0, x is imaginary, for n=1 to 6, i get $x$ = $0$, $fracsqrt21-3 6$, $fracsqrt33-3 6$, $fracsqrt5-1 2$, $fracsqrt57-3 6$, $fracsqrt69-3 6$ .
      – Math Tise
      Jul 18 at 10:37










    • for n=7, x is a whole number, for n=8 to 17, i get $fracsqrt93-3 6$, $fracsqrt105-3 6$, $fracsqrt13-1 2$, $fracsqrt129-3 6$, $fracsqrt141-3 6$, $fracsqrt17-1 2$ .
      – Math Tise
      Jul 18 at 10:39










    • and the list goes on ... are there only particular solutions to this problem?, or unlimited solutions... please advise @Stan Tendijck ... Thanks again.
      – Math Tise
      Jul 18 at 10:40










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    Fractional part is always in $[0,1)$. So the domain of $g(x)=x^3$ you are looking for is such that $R_gin[0,1)$, which happens to be $[0,1)$.



    $y=(x+1)^3$ is basically $y=(x+1)^3$ chopped into appropriate pieces and translated down by some $kinmathbbZ$ where $k=lfloor(x+1)^3rfloor$



    So we solve
    $$(x+1)^3-k=x^3$$
    which gives
    $$k=3x^2+3x+1$$



    Since for $[0,1)$, $0le(x+1)^3<8$, we check
    $$3x^2+3x+1=0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7$$
    whose positive roots give the answers.






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    • In fact the fractional part is always in $[0,1)$
      – MPW
      Jul 18 at 9:55










    • @MPW ugh my bad! edited. thanks a lot
      – Karn Watcharasupat
      Jul 18 at 9:57














    up vote
    5
    down vote



    accepted










    Fractional part is always in $[0,1)$. So the domain of $g(x)=x^3$ you are looking for is such that $R_gin[0,1)$, which happens to be $[0,1)$.



    $y=(x+1)^3$ is basically $y=(x+1)^3$ chopped into appropriate pieces and translated down by some $kinmathbbZ$ where $k=lfloor(x+1)^3rfloor$



    So we solve
    $$(x+1)^3-k=x^3$$
    which gives
    $$k=3x^2+3x+1$$



    Since for $[0,1)$, $0le(x+1)^3<8$, we check
    $$3x^2+3x+1=0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7$$
    whose positive roots give the answers.






    share|cite|improve this answer























    • In fact the fractional part is always in $[0,1)$
      – MPW
      Jul 18 at 9:55










    • @MPW ugh my bad! edited. thanks a lot
      – Karn Watcharasupat
      Jul 18 at 9:57












    up vote
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    up vote
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    Fractional part is always in $[0,1)$. So the domain of $g(x)=x^3$ you are looking for is such that $R_gin[0,1)$, which happens to be $[0,1)$.



    $y=(x+1)^3$ is basically $y=(x+1)^3$ chopped into appropriate pieces and translated down by some $kinmathbbZ$ where $k=lfloor(x+1)^3rfloor$



    So we solve
    $$(x+1)^3-k=x^3$$
    which gives
    $$k=3x^2+3x+1$$



    Since for $[0,1)$, $0le(x+1)^3<8$, we check
    $$3x^2+3x+1=0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7$$
    whose positive roots give the answers.






    share|cite|improve this answer















    Fractional part is always in $[0,1)$. So the domain of $g(x)=x^3$ you are looking for is such that $R_gin[0,1)$, which happens to be $[0,1)$.



    $y=(x+1)^3$ is basically $y=(x+1)^3$ chopped into appropriate pieces and translated down by some $kinmathbbZ$ where $k=lfloor(x+1)^3rfloor$



    So we solve
    $$(x+1)^3-k=x^3$$
    which gives
    $$k=3x^2+3x+1$$



    Since for $[0,1)$, $0le(x+1)^3<8$, we check
    $$3x^2+3x+1=0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7$$
    whose positive roots give the answers.







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    • In fact the fractional part is always in $[0,1)$
      – MPW
      Jul 18 at 9:55










    • @MPW ugh my bad! edited. thanks a lot
      – Karn Watcharasupat
      Jul 18 at 9:57
















    • In fact the fractional part is always in $[0,1)$
      – MPW
      Jul 18 at 9:55










    • @MPW ugh my bad! edited. thanks a lot
      – Karn Watcharasupat
      Jul 18 at 9:57















    In fact the fractional part is always in $[0,1)$
    – MPW
    Jul 18 at 9:55




    In fact the fractional part is always in $[0,1)$
    – MPW
    Jul 18 at 9:55












    @MPW ugh my bad! edited. thanks a lot
    – Karn Watcharasupat
    Jul 18 at 9:57




    @MPW ugh my bad! edited. thanks a lot
    – Karn Watcharasupat
    Jul 18 at 9:57










    up vote
    5
    down vote













    Hints:



    • $0 le y lt 1$

    • so any solution to $(x +1)^3 = x^3$ has $0 le x^3 lt 1$ and thus $0 le x lt 1$

    • so $1 le x+1 lt 2$ and $1 le (x+1)^3 lt 8$

    • any solution has $(x+1)^3 = x^3 +n$ for $n in 1,2,3,4,5,6,7$, which gives you seven quadratic equations to check

    • for example, $x=0$ is a solution when $n=1$





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      up vote
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      Hints:



      • $0 le y lt 1$

      • so any solution to $(x +1)^3 = x^3$ has $0 le x^3 lt 1$ and thus $0 le x lt 1$

      • so $1 le x+1 lt 2$ and $1 le (x+1)^3 lt 8$

      • any solution has $(x+1)^3 = x^3 +n$ for $n in 1,2,3,4,5,6,7$, which gives you seven quadratic equations to check

      • for example, $x=0$ is a solution when $n=1$





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        up vote
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        up vote
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        Hints:



        • $0 le y lt 1$

        • so any solution to $(x +1)^3 = x^3$ has $0 le x^3 lt 1$ and thus $0 le x lt 1$

        • so $1 le x+1 lt 2$ and $1 le (x+1)^3 lt 8$

        • any solution has $(x+1)^3 = x^3 +n$ for $n in 1,2,3,4,5,6,7$, which gives you seven quadratic equations to check

        • for example, $x=0$ is a solution when $n=1$





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        Hints:



        • $0 le y lt 1$

        • so any solution to $(x +1)^3 = x^3$ has $0 le x^3 lt 1$ and thus $0 le x lt 1$

        • so $1 le x+1 lt 2$ and $1 le (x+1)^3 lt 8$

        • any solution has $(x+1)^3 = x^3 +n$ for $n in 1,2,3,4,5,6,7$, which gives you seven quadratic equations to check

        • for example, $x=0$ is a solution when $n=1$






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            Well, first of all you're checking only 'all' integers and not all reals which include also $1/2$ or $pi$ for example. I will try to give you an outline of how I would approach it.



            Second of all, note that the left-hand side is always between $0$ and $1$. So, what is implied about the range $x$ might be in?

            Once, you determined that you should be splitting up the range of possible $x$ into smaller segments such that for each segment you can find a natural number $n$ such that
            $$(x+1)^3 = (x+1)^3 - n.$$
            Hint: there are $7$ segments that you should consider. Then for each segment it boils down in solving
            $$ (x+1)^3 - n = x^3.$$
            This looks difficult at first sight but I guarantee it will simplify to a quadratic polynomial (which you can solve). Please don't forget that the solutions of this equation should still be in the range on which we consider solutions to be part of.



            I hope this helps and if you have any questions about any of these steps, feel free to ask them.






            share|cite|improve this answer























            • Thanks for the explanation ... This really helped. ...
              – Math Tise
              Jul 18 at 10:26










            • I get the following answers :
              – Math Tise
              Jul 18 at 10:27










            • for n=0, x is imaginary, for n=1 to 6, i get $x$ = $0$, $fracsqrt21-3 6$, $fracsqrt33-3 6$, $fracsqrt5-1 2$, $fracsqrt57-3 6$, $fracsqrt69-3 6$ .
              – Math Tise
              Jul 18 at 10:37










            • for n=7, x is a whole number, for n=8 to 17, i get $fracsqrt93-3 6$, $fracsqrt105-3 6$, $fracsqrt13-1 2$, $fracsqrt129-3 6$, $fracsqrt141-3 6$, $fracsqrt17-1 2$ .
              – Math Tise
              Jul 18 at 10:39










            • and the list goes on ... are there only particular solutions to this problem?, or unlimited solutions... please advise @Stan Tendijck ... Thanks again.
              – Math Tise
              Jul 18 at 10:40














            up vote
            1
            down vote













            Well, first of all you're checking only 'all' integers and not all reals which include also $1/2$ or $pi$ for example. I will try to give you an outline of how I would approach it.



            Second of all, note that the left-hand side is always between $0$ and $1$. So, what is implied about the range $x$ might be in?

            Once, you determined that you should be splitting up the range of possible $x$ into smaller segments such that for each segment you can find a natural number $n$ such that
            $$(x+1)^3 = (x+1)^3 - n.$$
            Hint: there are $7$ segments that you should consider. Then for each segment it boils down in solving
            $$ (x+1)^3 - n = x^3.$$
            This looks difficult at first sight but I guarantee it will simplify to a quadratic polynomial (which you can solve). Please don't forget that the solutions of this equation should still be in the range on which we consider solutions to be part of.



            I hope this helps and if you have any questions about any of these steps, feel free to ask them.






            share|cite|improve this answer























            • Thanks for the explanation ... This really helped. ...
              – Math Tise
              Jul 18 at 10:26










            • I get the following answers :
              – Math Tise
              Jul 18 at 10:27










            • for n=0, x is imaginary, for n=1 to 6, i get $x$ = $0$, $fracsqrt21-3 6$, $fracsqrt33-3 6$, $fracsqrt5-1 2$, $fracsqrt57-3 6$, $fracsqrt69-3 6$ .
              – Math Tise
              Jul 18 at 10:37










            • for n=7, x is a whole number, for n=8 to 17, i get $fracsqrt93-3 6$, $fracsqrt105-3 6$, $fracsqrt13-1 2$, $fracsqrt129-3 6$, $fracsqrt141-3 6$, $fracsqrt17-1 2$ .
              – Math Tise
              Jul 18 at 10:39










            • and the list goes on ... are there only particular solutions to this problem?, or unlimited solutions... please advise @Stan Tendijck ... Thanks again.
              – Math Tise
              Jul 18 at 10:40












            up vote
            1
            down vote










            up vote
            1
            down vote









            Well, first of all you're checking only 'all' integers and not all reals which include also $1/2$ or $pi$ for example. I will try to give you an outline of how I would approach it.



            Second of all, note that the left-hand side is always between $0$ and $1$. So, what is implied about the range $x$ might be in?

            Once, you determined that you should be splitting up the range of possible $x$ into smaller segments such that for each segment you can find a natural number $n$ such that
            $$(x+1)^3 = (x+1)^3 - n.$$
            Hint: there are $7$ segments that you should consider. Then for each segment it boils down in solving
            $$ (x+1)^3 - n = x^3.$$
            This looks difficult at first sight but I guarantee it will simplify to a quadratic polynomial (which you can solve). Please don't forget that the solutions of this equation should still be in the range on which we consider solutions to be part of.



            I hope this helps and if you have any questions about any of these steps, feel free to ask them.






            share|cite|improve this answer















            Well, first of all you're checking only 'all' integers and not all reals which include also $1/2$ or $pi$ for example. I will try to give you an outline of how I would approach it.



            Second of all, note that the left-hand side is always between $0$ and $1$. So, what is implied about the range $x$ might be in?

            Once, you determined that you should be splitting up the range of possible $x$ into smaller segments such that for each segment you can find a natural number $n$ such that
            $$(x+1)^3 = (x+1)^3 - n.$$
            Hint: there are $7$ segments that you should consider. Then for each segment it boils down in solving
            $$ (x+1)^3 - n = x^3.$$
            This looks difficult at first sight but I guarantee it will simplify to a quadratic polynomial (which you can solve). Please don't forget that the solutions of this equation should still be in the range on which we consider solutions to be part of.



            I hope this helps and if you have any questions about any of these steps, feel free to ask them.







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            answered Jul 18 at 10:02









            Stan Tendijck

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            • Thanks for the explanation ... This really helped. ...
              – Math Tise
              Jul 18 at 10:26










            • I get the following answers :
              – Math Tise
              Jul 18 at 10:27










            • for n=0, x is imaginary, for n=1 to 6, i get $x$ = $0$, $fracsqrt21-3 6$, $fracsqrt33-3 6$, $fracsqrt5-1 2$, $fracsqrt57-3 6$, $fracsqrt69-3 6$ .
              – Math Tise
              Jul 18 at 10:37










            • for n=7, x is a whole number, for n=8 to 17, i get $fracsqrt93-3 6$, $fracsqrt105-3 6$, $fracsqrt13-1 2$, $fracsqrt129-3 6$, $fracsqrt141-3 6$, $fracsqrt17-1 2$ .
              – Math Tise
              Jul 18 at 10:39










            • and the list goes on ... are there only particular solutions to this problem?, or unlimited solutions... please advise @Stan Tendijck ... Thanks again.
              – Math Tise
              Jul 18 at 10:40
















            • Thanks for the explanation ... This really helped. ...
              – Math Tise
              Jul 18 at 10:26










            • I get the following answers :
              – Math Tise
              Jul 18 at 10:27










            • for n=0, x is imaginary, for n=1 to 6, i get $x$ = $0$, $fracsqrt21-3 6$, $fracsqrt33-3 6$, $fracsqrt5-1 2$, $fracsqrt57-3 6$, $fracsqrt69-3 6$ .
              – Math Tise
              Jul 18 at 10:37










            • for n=7, x is a whole number, for n=8 to 17, i get $fracsqrt93-3 6$, $fracsqrt105-3 6$, $fracsqrt13-1 2$, $fracsqrt129-3 6$, $fracsqrt141-3 6$, $fracsqrt17-1 2$ .
              – Math Tise
              Jul 18 at 10:39










            • and the list goes on ... are there only particular solutions to this problem?, or unlimited solutions... please advise @Stan Tendijck ... Thanks again.
              – Math Tise
              Jul 18 at 10:40















            Thanks for the explanation ... This really helped. ...
            – Math Tise
            Jul 18 at 10:26




            Thanks for the explanation ... This really helped. ...
            – Math Tise
            Jul 18 at 10:26












            I get the following answers :
            – Math Tise
            Jul 18 at 10:27




            I get the following answers :
            – Math Tise
            Jul 18 at 10:27












            for n=0, x is imaginary, for n=1 to 6, i get $x$ = $0$, $fracsqrt21-3 6$, $fracsqrt33-3 6$, $fracsqrt5-1 2$, $fracsqrt57-3 6$, $fracsqrt69-3 6$ .
            – Math Tise
            Jul 18 at 10:37




            for n=0, x is imaginary, for n=1 to 6, i get $x$ = $0$, $fracsqrt21-3 6$, $fracsqrt33-3 6$, $fracsqrt5-1 2$, $fracsqrt57-3 6$, $fracsqrt69-3 6$ .
            – Math Tise
            Jul 18 at 10:37












            for n=7, x is a whole number, for n=8 to 17, i get $fracsqrt93-3 6$, $fracsqrt105-3 6$, $fracsqrt13-1 2$, $fracsqrt129-3 6$, $fracsqrt141-3 6$, $fracsqrt17-1 2$ .
            – Math Tise
            Jul 18 at 10:39




            for n=7, x is a whole number, for n=8 to 17, i get $fracsqrt93-3 6$, $fracsqrt105-3 6$, $fracsqrt13-1 2$, $fracsqrt129-3 6$, $fracsqrt141-3 6$, $fracsqrt17-1 2$ .
            – Math Tise
            Jul 18 at 10:39












            and the list goes on ... are there only particular solutions to this problem?, or unlimited solutions... please advise @Stan Tendijck ... Thanks again.
            – Math Tise
            Jul 18 at 10:40




            and the list goes on ... are there only particular solutions to this problem?, or unlimited solutions... please advise @Stan Tendijck ... Thanks again.
            – Math Tise
            Jul 18 at 10:40












             

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