Find all real number(s) $x$ satisfying the equation $(x +1)^3$ = $x^3$ , where $y$ denotes the fractional part of $y$
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Find all real number(s) $x$ satisfying the equation $(x +1)^3$ = $x^3$ , where $y$ denotes the fractional part of $y$ , for example $3.1416ldots=0.1416ldots$.
I am trying all positive real numbers from $1,2,dots$ but I didn't get any decimals.
Is there a smarter way to solve this problem? ... Please advise.
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Find all real number(s) $x$ satisfying the equation $(x +1)^3$ = $x^3$ , where $y$ denotes the fractional part of $y$ , for example $3.1416ldots=0.1416ldots$.
I am trying all positive real numbers from $1,2,dots$ but I didn't get any decimals.
Is there a smarter way to solve this problem? ... Please advise.
real-numbers integers decimal-expansion
Use$ x$
for $ x$.
â Shaun
Jul 18 at 9:47
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You're trying all positive real numbers? xD
â principal-ideal-domain
Jul 18 at 9:52
To begn with, the left side is a number between $0$ and $1$ , so the right side must be the same. This tells you that all solutions must fall in the range $[0,1)$ at best, if there are any solutions.
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Find all real number(s) $x$ satisfying the equation $(x +1)^3$ = $x^3$ , where $y$ denotes the fractional part of $y$ , for example $3.1416ldots=0.1416ldots$.
I am trying all positive real numbers from $1,2,dots$ but I didn't get any decimals.
Is there a smarter way to solve this problem? ... Please advise.
real-numbers integers decimal-expansion
Find all real number(s) $x$ satisfying the equation $(x +1)^3$ = $x^3$ , where $y$ denotes the fractional part of $y$ , for example $3.1416ldots=0.1416ldots$.
I am trying all positive real numbers from $1,2,dots$ but I didn't get any decimals.
Is there a smarter way to solve this problem? ... Please advise.
real-numbers integers decimal-expansion
edited Jul 18 at 11:46
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Use$ x$
for $ x$.
â Shaun
Jul 18 at 9:47
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You're trying all positive real numbers? xD
â principal-ideal-domain
Jul 18 at 9:52
To begn with, the left side is a number between $0$ and $1$ , so the right side must be the same. This tells you that all solutions must fall in the range $[0,1)$ at best, if there are any solutions.
â MPW
Jul 18 at 9:55
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Use$ x$
for $ x$.
â Shaun
Jul 18 at 9:47
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You're trying all positive real numbers? xD
â principal-ideal-domain
Jul 18 at 9:52
To begn with, the left side is a number between $0$ and $1$ , so the right side must be the same. This tells you that all solutions must fall in the range $[0,1)$ at best, if there are any solutions.
â MPW
Jul 18 at 9:55
Use
$ x$
for $ x$.â Shaun
Jul 18 at 9:47
Use
$ x$
for $ x$.â Shaun
Jul 18 at 9:47
3
3
You're trying all positive real numbers? xD
â principal-ideal-domain
Jul 18 at 9:52
You're trying all positive real numbers? xD
â principal-ideal-domain
Jul 18 at 9:52
To begn with, the left side is a number between $0$ and $1$ , so the right side must be the same. This tells you that all solutions must fall in the range $[0,1)$ at best, if there are any solutions.
â MPW
Jul 18 at 9:55
To begn with, the left side is a number between $0$ and $1$ , so the right side must be the same. This tells you that all solutions must fall in the range $[0,1)$ at best, if there are any solutions.
â MPW
Jul 18 at 9:55
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Fractional part is always in $[0,1)$. So the domain of $g(x)=x^3$ you are looking for is such that $R_gin[0,1)$, which happens to be $[0,1)$.
$y=(x+1)^3$ is basically $y=(x+1)^3$ chopped into appropriate pieces and translated down by some $kinmathbbZ$ where $k=lfloor(x+1)^3rfloor$
So we solve
$$(x+1)^3-k=x^3$$
which gives
$$k=3x^2+3x+1$$
Since for $[0,1)$, $0le(x+1)^3<8$, we check
$$3x^2+3x+1=0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7$$
whose positive roots give the answers.
In fact the fractional part is always in $[0,1)$
â MPW
Jul 18 at 9:55
@MPW ugh my bad! edited. thanks a lot
â Karn Watcharasupat
Jul 18 at 9:57
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Hints:
- $0 le y lt 1$
- so any solution to $(x +1)^3 = x^3$ has $0 le x^3 lt 1$ and thus $0 le x lt 1$
- so $1 le x+1 lt 2$ and $1 le (x+1)^3 lt 8$
- any solution has $(x+1)^3 = x^3 +n$ for $n in 1,2,3,4,5,6,7$, which gives you seven quadratic equations to check
- for example, $x=0$ is a solution when $n=1$
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Well, first of all you're checking only 'all' integers and not all reals which include also $1/2$ or $pi$ for example. I will try to give you an outline of how I would approach it.
Second of all, note that the left-hand side is always between $0$ and $1$. So, what is implied about the range $x$ might be in?
Once, you determined that you should be splitting up the range of possible $x$ into smaller segments such that for each segment you can find a natural number $n$ such that
$$(x+1)^3 = (x+1)^3 - n.$$
Hint: there are $7$ segments that you should consider. Then for each segment it boils down in solving
$$ (x+1)^3 - n = x^3.$$
This looks difficult at first sight but I guarantee it will simplify to a quadratic polynomial (which you can solve). Please don't forget that the solutions of this equation should still be in the range on which we consider solutions to be part of.
I hope this helps and if you have any questions about any of these steps, feel free to ask them.
Thanks for the explanation ... This really helped. ...
â Math Tise
Jul 18 at 10:26
I get the following answers :
â Math Tise
Jul 18 at 10:27
for n=0, x is imaginary, for n=1 to 6, i get $x$ = $0$, $fracsqrt21-3 6$, $fracsqrt33-3 6$, $fracsqrt5-1 2$, $fracsqrt57-3 6$, $fracsqrt69-3 6$ .
â Math Tise
Jul 18 at 10:37
for n=7, x is a whole number, for n=8 to 17, i get $fracsqrt93-3 6$, $fracsqrt105-3 6$, $fracsqrt13-1 2$, $fracsqrt129-3 6$, $fracsqrt141-3 6$, $fracsqrt17-1 2$ .
â Math Tise
Jul 18 at 10:39
and the list goes on ... are there only particular solutions to this problem?, or unlimited solutions... please advise @Stan Tendijck ... Thanks again.
â Math Tise
Jul 18 at 10:40
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Fractional part is always in $[0,1)$. So the domain of $g(x)=x^3$ you are looking for is such that $R_gin[0,1)$, which happens to be $[0,1)$.
$y=(x+1)^3$ is basically $y=(x+1)^3$ chopped into appropriate pieces and translated down by some $kinmathbbZ$ where $k=lfloor(x+1)^3rfloor$
So we solve
$$(x+1)^3-k=x^3$$
which gives
$$k=3x^2+3x+1$$
Since for $[0,1)$, $0le(x+1)^3<8$, we check
$$3x^2+3x+1=0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7$$
whose positive roots give the answers.
In fact the fractional part is always in $[0,1)$
â MPW
Jul 18 at 9:55
@MPW ugh my bad! edited. thanks a lot
â Karn Watcharasupat
Jul 18 at 9:57
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up vote
5
down vote
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Fractional part is always in $[0,1)$. So the domain of $g(x)=x^3$ you are looking for is such that $R_gin[0,1)$, which happens to be $[0,1)$.
$y=(x+1)^3$ is basically $y=(x+1)^3$ chopped into appropriate pieces and translated down by some $kinmathbbZ$ where $k=lfloor(x+1)^3rfloor$
So we solve
$$(x+1)^3-k=x^3$$
which gives
$$k=3x^2+3x+1$$
Since for $[0,1)$, $0le(x+1)^3<8$, we check
$$3x^2+3x+1=0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7$$
whose positive roots give the answers.
In fact the fractional part is always in $[0,1)$
â MPW
Jul 18 at 9:55
@MPW ugh my bad! edited. thanks a lot
â Karn Watcharasupat
Jul 18 at 9:57
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up vote
5
down vote
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up vote
5
down vote
accepted
Fractional part is always in $[0,1)$. So the domain of $g(x)=x^3$ you are looking for is such that $R_gin[0,1)$, which happens to be $[0,1)$.
$y=(x+1)^3$ is basically $y=(x+1)^3$ chopped into appropriate pieces and translated down by some $kinmathbbZ$ where $k=lfloor(x+1)^3rfloor$
So we solve
$$(x+1)^3-k=x^3$$
which gives
$$k=3x^2+3x+1$$
Since for $[0,1)$, $0le(x+1)^3<8$, we check
$$3x^2+3x+1=0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7$$
whose positive roots give the answers.
Fractional part is always in $[0,1)$. So the domain of $g(x)=x^3$ you are looking for is such that $R_gin[0,1)$, which happens to be $[0,1)$.
$y=(x+1)^3$ is basically $y=(x+1)^3$ chopped into appropriate pieces and translated down by some $kinmathbbZ$ where $k=lfloor(x+1)^3rfloor$
So we solve
$$(x+1)^3-k=x^3$$
which gives
$$k=3x^2+3x+1$$
Since for $[0,1)$, $0le(x+1)^3<8$, we check
$$3x^2+3x+1=0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7$$
whose positive roots give the answers.
edited Jul 18 at 10:06
answered Jul 18 at 9:55
Karn Watcharasupat
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3,8192426
In fact the fractional part is always in $[0,1)$
â MPW
Jul 18 at 9:55
@MPW ugh my bad! edited. thanks a lot
â Karn Watcharasupat
Jul 18 at 9:57
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In fact the fractional part is always in $[0,1)$
â MPW
Jul 18 at 9:55
@MPW ugh my bad! edited. thanks a lot
â Karn Watcharasupat
Jul 18 at 9:57
In fact the fractional part is always in $[0,1)$
â MPW
Jul 18 at 9:55
In fact the fractional part is always in $[0,1)$
â MPW
Jul 18 at 9:55
@MPW ugh my bad! edited. thanks a lot
â Karn Watcharasupat
Jul 18 at 9:57
@MPW ugh my bad! edited. thanks a lot
â Karn Watcharasupat
Jul 18 at 9:57
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5
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Hints:
- $0 le y lt 1$
- so any solution to $(x +1)^3 = x^3$ has $0 le x^3 lt 1$ and thus $0 le x lt 1$
- so $1 le x+1 lt 2$ and $1 le (x+1)^3 lt 8$
- any solution has $(x+1)^3 = x^3 +n$ for $n in 1,2,3,4,5,6,7$, which gives you seven quadratic equations to check
- for example, $x=0$ is a solution when $n=1$
add a comment |Â
up vote
5
down vote
Hints:
- $0 le y lt 1$
- so any solution to $(x +1)^3 = x^3$ has $0 le x^3 lt 1$ and thus $0 le x lt 1$
- so $1 le x+1 lt 2$ and $1 le (x+1)^3 lt 8$
- any solution has $(x+1)^3 = x^3 +n$ for $n in 1,2,3,4,5,6,7$, which gives you seven quadratic equations to check
- for example, $x=0$ is a solution when $n=1$
add a comment |Â
up vote
5
down vote
up vote
5
down vote
Hints:
- $0 le y lt 1$
- so any solution to $(x +1)^3 = x^3$ has $0 le x^3 lt 1$ and thus $0 le x lt 1$
- so $1 le x+1 lt 2$ and $1 le (x+1)^3 lt 8$
- any solution has $(x+1)^3 = x^3 +n$ for $n in 1,2,3,4,5,6,7$, which gives you seven quadratic equations to check
- for example, $x=0$ is a solution when $n=1$
Hints:
- $0 le y lt 1$
- so any solution to $(x +1)^3 = x^3$ has $0 le x^3 lt 1$ and thus $0 le x lt 1$
- so $1 le x+1 lt 2$ and $1 le (x+1)^3 lt 8$
- any solution has $(x+1)^3 = x^3 +n$ for $n in 1,2,3,4,5,6,7$, which gives you seven quadratic equations to check
- for example, $x=0$ is a solution when $n=1$
answered Jul 18 at 9:55
Henry
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93.1k469147
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Well, first of all you're checking only 'all' integers and not all reals which include also $1/2$ or $pi$ for example. I will try to give you an outline of how I would approach it.
Second of all, note that the left-hand side is always between $0$ and $1$. So, what is implied about the range $x$ might be in?
Once, you determined that you should be splitting up the range of possible $x$ into smaller segments such that for each segment you can find a natural number $n$ such that
$$(x+1)^3 = (x+1)^3 - n.$$
Hint: there are $7$ segments that you should consider. Then for each segment it boils down in solving
$$ (x+1)^3 - n = x^3.$$
This looks difficult at first sight but I guarantee it will simplify to a quadratic polynomial (which you can solve). Please don't forget that the solutions of this equation should still be in the range on which we consider solutions to be part of.
I hope this helps and if you have any questions about any of these steps, feel free to ask them.
Thanks for the explanation ... This really helped. ...
â Math Tise
Jul 18 at 10:26
I get the following answers :
â Math Tise
Jul 18 at 10:27
for n=0, x is imaginary, for n=1 to 6, i get $x$ = $0$, $fracsqrt21-3 6$, $fracsqrt33-3 6$, $fracsqrt5-1 2$, $fracsqrt57-3 6$, $fracsqrt69-3 6$ .
â Math Tise
Jul 18 at 10:37
for n=7, x is a whole number, for n=8 to 17, i get $fracsqrt93-3 6$, $fracsqrt105-3 6$, $fracsqrt13-1 2$, $fracsqrt129-3 6$, $fracsqrt141-3 6$, $fracsqrt17-1 2$ .
â Math Tise
Jul 18 at 10:39
and the list goes on ... are there only particular solutions to this problem?, or unlimited solutions... please advise @Stan Tendijck ... Thanks again.
â Math Tise
Jul 18 at 10:40
 |Â
show 2 more comments
up vote
1
down vote
Well, first of all you're checking only 'all' integers and not all reals which include also $1/2$ or $pi$ for example. I will try to give you an outline of how I would approach it.
Second of all, note that the left-hand side is always between $0$ and $1$. So, what is implied about the range $x$ might be in?
Once, you determined that you should be splitting up the range of possible $x$ into smaller segments such that for each segment you can find a natural number $n$ such that
$$(x+1)^3 = (x+1)^3 - n.$$
Hint: there are $7$ segments that you should consider. Then for each segment it boils down in solving
$$ (x+1)^3 - n = x^3.$$
This looks difficult at first sight but I guarantee it will simplify to a quadratic polynomial (which you can solve). Please don't forget that the solutions of this equation should still be in the range on which we consider solutions to be part of.
I hope this helps and if you have any questions about any of these steps, feel free to ask them.
Thanks for the explanation ... This really helped. ...
â Math Tise
Jul 18 at 10:26
I get the following answers :
â Math Tise
Jul 18 at 10:27
for n=0, x is imaginary, for n=1 to 6, i get $x$ = $0$, $fracsqrt21-3 6$, $fracsqrt33-3 6$, $fracsqrt5-1 2$, $fracsqrt57-3 6$, $fracsqrt69-3 6$ .
â Math Tise
Jul 18 at 10:37
for n=7, x is a whole number, for n=8 to 17, i get $fracsqrt93-3 6$, $fracsqrt105-3 6$, $fracsqrt13-1 2$, $fracsqrt129-3 6$, $fracsqrt141-3 6$, $fracsqrt17-1 2$ .
â Math Tise
Jul 18 at 10:39
and the list goes on ... are there only particular solutions to this problem?, or unlimited solutions... please advise @Stan Tendijck ... Thanks again.
â Math Tise
Jul 18 at 10:40
 |Â
show 2 more comments
up vote
1
down vote
up vote
1
down vote
Well, first of all you're checking only 'all' integers and not all reals which include also $1/2$ or $pi$ for example. I will try to give you an outline of how I would approach it.
Second of all, note that the left-hand side is always between $0$ and $1$. So, what is implied about the range $x$ might be in?
Once, you determined that you should be splitting up the range of possible $x$ into smaller segments such that for each segment you can find a natural number $n$ such that
$$(x+1)^3 = (x+1)^3 - n.$$
Hint: there are $7$ segments that you should consider. Then for each segment it boils down in solving
$$ (x+1)^3 - n = x^3.$$
This looks difficult at first sight but I guarantee it will simplify to a quadratic polynomial (which you can solve). Please don't forget that the solutions of this equation should still be in the range on which we consider solutions to be part of.
I hope this helps and if you have any questions about any of these steps, feel free to ask them.
Well, first of all you're checking only 'all' integers and not all reals which include also $1/2$ or $pi$ for example. I will try to give you an outline of how I would approach it.
Second of all, note that the left-hand side is always between $0$ and $1$. So, what is implied about the range $x$ might be in?
Once, you determined that you should be splitting up the range of possible $x$ into smaller segments such that for each segment you can find a natural number $n$ such that
$$(x+1)^3 = (x+1)^3 - n.$$
Hint: there are $7$ segments that you should consider. Then for each segment it boils down in solving
$$ (x+1)^3 - n = x^3.$$
This looks difficult at first sight but I guarantee it will simplify to a quadratic polynomial (which you can solve). Please don't forget that the solutions of this equation should still be in the range on which we consider solutions to be part of.
I hope this helps and if you have any questions about any of these steps, feel free to ask them.
edited Jul 18 at 12:36
answered Jul 18 at 10:02
Stan Tendijck
1,277110
1,277110
Thanks for the explanation ... This really helped. ...
â Math Tise
Jul 18 at 10:26
I get the following answers :
â Math Tise
Jul 18 at 10:27
for n=0, x is imaginary, for n=1 to 6, i get $x$ = $0$, $fracsqrt21-3 6$, $fracsqrt33-3 6$, $fracsqrt5-1 2$, $fracsqrt57-3 6$, $fracsqrt69-3 6$ .
â Math Tise
Jul 18 at 10:37
for n=7, x is a whole number, for n=8 to 17, i get $fracsqrt93-3 6$, $fracsqrt105-3 6$, $fracsqrt13-1 2$, $fracsqrt129-3 6$, $fracsqrt141-3 6$, $fracsqrt17-1 2$ .
â Math Tise
Jul 18 at 10:39
and the list goes on ... are there only particular solutions to this problem?, or unlimited solutions... please advise @Stan Tendijck ... Thanks again.
â Math Tise
Jul 18 at 10:40
 |Â
show 2 more comments
Thanks for the explanation ... This really helped. ...
â Math Tise
Jul 18 at 10:26
I get the following answers :
â Math Tise
Jul 18 at 10:27
for n=0, x is imaginary, for n=1 to 6, i get $x$ = $0$, $fracsqrt21-3 6$, $fracsqrt33-3 6$, $fracsqrt5-1 2$, $fracsqrt57-3 6$, $fracsqrt69-3 6$ .
â Math Tise
Jul 18 at 10:37
for n=7, x is a whole number, for n=8 to 17, i get $fracsqrt93-3 6$, $fracsqrt105-3 6$, $fracsqrt13-1 2$, $fracsqrt129-3 6$, $fracsqrt141-3 6$, $fracsqrt17-1 2$ .
â Math Tise
Jul 18 at 10:39
and the list goes on ... are there only particular solutions to this problem?, or unlimited solutions... please advise @Stan Tendijck ... Thanks again.
â Math Tise
Jul 18 at 10:40
Thanks for the explanation ... This really helped. ...
â Math Tise
Jul 18 at 10:26
Thanks for the explanation ... This really helped. ...
â Math Tise
Jul 18 at 10:26
I get the following answers :
â Math Tise
Jul 18 at 10:27
I get the following answers :
â Math Tise
Jul 18 at 10:27
for n=0, x is imaginary, for n=1 to 6, i get $x$ = $0$, $fracsqrt21-3 6$, $fracsqrt33-3 6$, $fracsqrt5-1 2$, $fracsqrt57-3 6$, $fracsqrt69-3 6$ .
â Math Tise
Jul 18 at 10:37
for n=0, x is imaginary, for n=1 to 6, i get $x$ = $0$, $fracsqrt21-3 6$, $fracsqrt33-3 6$, $fracsqrt5-1 2$, $fracsqrt57-3 6$, $fracsqrt69-3 6$ .
â Math Tise
Jul 18 at 10:37
for n=7, x is a whole number, for n=8 to 17, i get $fracsqrt93-3 6$, $fracsqrt105-3 6$, $fracsqrt13-1 2$, $fracsqrt129-3 6$, $fracsqrt141-3 6$, $fracsqrt17-1 2$ .
â Math Tise
Jul 18 at 10:39
for n=7, x is a whole number, for n=8 to 17, i get $fracsqrt93-3 6$, $fracsqrt105-3 6$, $fracsqrt13-1 2$, $fracsqrt129-3 6$, $fracsqrt141-3 6$, $fracsqrt17-1 2$ .
â Math Tise
Jul 18 at 10:39
and the list goes on ... are there only particular solutions to this problem?, or unlimited solutions... please advise @Stan Tendijck ... Thanks again.
â Math Tise
Jul 18 at 10:40
and the list goes on ... are there only particular solutions to this problem?, or unlimited solutions... please advise @Stan Tendijck ... Thanks again.
â Math Tise
Jul 18 at 10:40
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$ x$
for $ x$.â Shaun
Jul 18 at 9:47
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You're trying all positive real numbers? xD
â principal-ideal-domain
Jul 18 at 9:52
To begn with, the left side is a number between $0$ and $1$ , so the right side must be the same. This tells you that all solutions must fall in the range $[0,1)$ at best, if there are any solutions.
â MPW
Jul 18 at 9:55