Give an example to illustrate that $lim_xto 0 f(x)$ is not always equal to $lim_xto 0 f(2x)$ [closed]

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It's really hard to come up with such an example. My professor said that the example won't be made up of ILATE functions. It would be something like signum, gif etc.







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    How could they even be different?
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    @adityagupta, if you take the limit at $0$, they will be same.
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    Jul 18 at 13:28






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    Either your professor tricked you, or there is something you don't tell us.
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    Jul 18 at 13:42






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    Should $f$ be defined for all $x in mathbb R$? If not, then I can solve it, I think.
    – md2perpe
    Jul 18 at 13:43






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    This is nonsense as stated. Possibly what he asked for is not exactly what you say?
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It's really hard to come up with such an example. My professor said that the example won't be made up of ILATE functions. It would be something like signum, gif etc.







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  • 6




    How could they even be different?
    – md2perpe
    Jul 18 at 12:29






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    @adityagupta, if you take the limit at $0$, they will be same.
    – Biswarup Saha
    Jul 18 at 13:28






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    Either your professor tricked you, or there is something you don't tell us.
    – Yves Daoust
    Jul 18 at 13:42






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    Should $f$ be defined for all $x in mathbb R$? If not, then I can solve it, I think.
    – md2perpe
    Jul 18 at 13:43






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    This is nonsense as stated. Possibly what he asked for is not exactly what you say?
    – David C. Ullrich
    Jul 18 at 13:59












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It's really hard to come up with such an example. My professor said that the example won't be made up of ILATE functions. It would be something like signum, gif etc.







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It's really hard to come up with such an example. My professor said that the example won't be made up of ILATE functions. It would be something like signum, gif etc.









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  • 6




    How could they even be different?
    – md2perpe
    Jul 18 at 12:29






  • 1




    @adityagupta, if you take the limit at $0$, they will be same.
    – Biswarup Saha
    Jul 18 at 13:28






  • 3




    Either your professor tricked you, or there is something you don't tell us.
    – Yves Daoust
    Jul 18 at 13:42






  • 1




    Should $f$ be defined for all $x in mathbb R$? If not, then I can solve it, I think.
    – md2perpe
    Jul 18 at 13:43






  • 1




    This is nonsense as stated. Possibly what he asked for is not exactly what you say?
    – David C. Ullrich
    Jul 18 at 13:59












  • 6




    How could they even be different?
    – md2perpe
    Jul 18 at 12:29






  • 1




    @adityagupta, if you take the limit at $0$, they will be same.
    – Biswarup Saha
    Jul 18 at 13:28






  • 3




    Either your professor tricked you, or there is something you don't tell us.
    – Yves Daoust
    Jul 18 at 13:42






  • 1




    Should $f$ be defined for all $x in mathbb R$? If not, then I can solve it, I think.
    – md2perpe
    Jul 18 at 13:43






  • 1




    This is nonsense as stated. Possibly what he asked for is not exactly what you say?
    – David C. Ullrich
    Jul 18 at 13:59







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How could they even be different?
– md2perpe
Jul 18 at 12:29




How could they even be different?
– md2perpe
Jul 18 at 12:29




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@adityagupta, if you take the limit at $0$, they will be same.
– Biswarup Saha
Jul 18 at 13:28




@adityagupta, if you take the limit at $0$, they will be same.
– Biswarup Saha
Jul 18 at 13:28




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Either your professor tricked you, or there is something you don't tell us.
– Yves Daoust
Jul 18 at 13:42




Either your professor tricked you, or there is something you don't tell us.
– Yves Daoust
Jul 18 at 13:42




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1




Should $f$ be defined for all $x in mathbb R$? If not, then I can solve it, I think.
– md2perpe
Jul 18 at 13:43




Should $f$ be defined for all $x in mathbb R$? If not, then I can solve it, I think.
– md2perpe
Jul 18 at 13:43




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1




This is nonsense as stated. Possibly what he asked for is not exactly what you say?
– David C. Ullrich
Jul 18 at 13:59




This is nonsense as stated. Possibly what he asked for is not exactly what you say?
– David C. Ullrich
Jul 18 at 13:59










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Although, I don't know where you get this proposition, my implication shows




If $f$ is a real-valued function on $BbbR$, such that $lim_xto
0 f(x)$ exists then $lim_xto 0 f(2x)$ exists and equal to
$lim_xto 0 f(x)$.




I am going to prove this statement.

Let, $lim_xto 0 f(x)=LinBbbR$ and define $g:BbbRtoBbbR$ by $g(x)=f(2x)quadforall xinBbbR$

To prove $lim_xto 0 f(2x)=L$, it is enough to show that $lim_xto 0 g(x)=L$

Choose $varepsilon >0$

Then $exists delta_varepsilon >0$ such that $|f(x)-L|<varepsilonquadforall xin(-delta_varepsilon,delta_varepsilon)backslash0 $

$implies |f(2x)-L|<varepsilonquad forall xinleft(-fracdelta_varepsilon2,fracdelta_varepsilon2right )backslashlbrace 0 rbrace$

$implies |g(x)-L|<varepsilonquadforall xin left (-delta_varepsilon',delta_varepsilon'right )backslash0$ where $delta_varepsilon' =fracdelta_varepsilon2 >0$

For any $varepsilon >0$, $existsdelta_varepsilon'>0$ such that $|g(x)-L|<varepsilonquadforall xin left (-delta_varepsilon',delta_varepsilon'right )backslash0$
$implies lim_xto 0 g(x)=Limplieslim_xto 0 f(2x)=L=lim_xto 0 f(x)$(Proved)
This is true only when we are taking limit at $0$ i.e. $lim_xto c f(x)$ may not be equal to $lim_xto c f(2x)$ for any $cinBbbR$(Why?)

You can verify this result geometrically also(Hint: To obtain the graph of $xmapsto f(2x)$, shrink the graph of $f$ horizontally by $frac12$).






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    By definition, if $f(xi) to L$ as $xi to 0$, this means that



    $$|f(2x) - L| < epsilon quad textwhenever quad |2x| < delta$$



    but this just means that $|x| < delta/2$ implies $|f(2x) - L| < epsilon$



    so $f(2x) to L$ as $x to 0$.






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      Let $f : p/3^n mid p, n in mathbb N to mathbb R$ be defined by $f(p/3^n) = (-1)^p.$ Then $lim_x to 0 f(x)$ is not defined but $lim_x to 0 f(2x)$ is defined and equals $1.$






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      • this was kinda the one that i thought, but yours is much more elegant. thanks for the help
        – aditya gupta
        Jul 19 at 14:34










      • Note that one limit exists and the other does not. You can not find a function where both limits exist and are different.
        – md2perpe
        Jul 19 at 19:46

















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      Although, I don't know where you get this proposition, my implication shows




      If $f$ is a real-valued function on $BbbR$, such that $lim_xto
      0 f(x)$ exists then $lim_xto 0 f(2x)$ exists and equal to
      $lim_xto 0 f(x)$.




      I am going to prove this statement.

      Let, $lim_xto 0 f(x)=LinBbbR$ and define $g:BbbRtoBbbR$ by $g(x)=f(2x)quadforall xinBbbR$

      To prove $lim_xto 0 f(2x)=L$, it is enough to show that $lim_xto 0 g(x)=L$

      Choose $varepsilon >0$

      Then $exists delta_varepsilon >0$ such that $|f(x)-L|<varepsilonquadforall xin(-delta_varepsilon,delta_varepsilon)backslash0 $

      $implies |f(2x)-L|<varepsilonquad forall xinleft(-fracdelta_varepsilon2,fracdelta_varepsilon2right )backslashlbrace 0 rbrace$

      $implies |g(x)-L|<varepsilonquadforall xin left (-delta_varepsilon',delta_varepsilon'right )backslash0$ where $delta_varepsilon' =fracdelta_varepsilon2 >0$

      For any $varepsilon >0$, $existsdelta_varepsilon'>0$ such that $|g(x)-L|<varepsilonquadforall xin left (-delta_varepsilon',delta_varepsilon'right )backslash0$
      $implies lim_xto 0 g(x)=Limplieslim_xto 0 f(2x)=L=lim_xto 0 f(x)$(Proved)
      This is true only when we are taking limit at $0$ i.e. $lim_xto c f(x)$ may not be equal to $lim_xto c f(2x)$ for any $cinBbbR$(Why?)

      You can verify this result geometrically also(Hint: To obtain the graph of $xmapsto f(2x)$, shrink the graph of $f$ horizontally by $frac12$).






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        Although, I don't know where you get this proposition, my implication shows




        If $f$ is a real-valued function on $BbbR$, such that $lim_xto
        0 f(x)$ exists then $lim_xto 0 f(2x)$ exists and equal to
        $lim_xto 0 f(x)$.




        I am going to prove this statement.

        Let, $lim_xto 0 f(x)=LinBbbR$ and define $g:BbbRtoBbbR$ by $g(x)=f(2x)quadforall xinBbbR$

        To prove $lim_xto 0 f(2x)=L$, it is enough to show that $lim_xto 0 g(x)=L$

        Choose $varepsilon >0$

        Then $exists delta_varepsilon >0$ such that $|f(x)-L|<varepsilonquadforall xin(-delta_varepsilon,delta_varepsilon)backslash0 $

        $implies |f(2x)-L|<varepsilonquad forall xinleft(-fracdelta_varepsilon2,fracdelta_varepsilon2right )backslashlbrace 0 rbrace$

        $implies |g(x)-L|<varepsilonquadforall xin left (-delta_varepsilon',delta_varepsilon'right )backslash0$ where $delta_varepsilon' =fracdelta_varepsilon2 >0$

        For any $varepsilon >0$, $existsdelta_varepsilon'>0$ such that $|g(x)-L|<varepsilonquadforall xin left (-delta_varepsilon',delta_varepsilon'right )backslash0$
        $implies lim_xto 0 g(x)=Limplieslim_xto 0 f(2x)=L=lim_xto 0 f(x)$(Proved)
        This is true only when we are taking limit at $0$ i.e. $lim_xto c f(x)$ may not be equal to $lim_xto c f(2x)$ for any $cinBbbR$(Why?)

        You can verify this result geometrically also(Hint: To obtain the graph of $xmapsto f(2x)$, shrink the graph of $f$ horizontally by $frac12$).






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          up vote
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          Although, I don't know where you get this proposition, my implication shows




          If $f$ is a real-valued function on $BbbR$, such that $lim_xto
          0 f(x)$ exists then $lim_xto 0 f(2x)$ exists and equal to
          $lim_xto 0 f(x)$.




          I am going to prove this statement.

          Let, $lim_xto 0 f(x)=LinBbbR$ and define $g:BbbRtoBbbR$ by $g(x)=f(2x)quadforall xinBbbR$

          To prove $lim_xto 0 f(2x)=L$, it is enough to show that $lim_xto 0 g(x)=L$

          Choose $varepsilon >0$

          Then $exists delta_varepsilon >0$ such that $|f(x)-L|<varepsilonquadforall xin(-delta_varepsilon,delta_varepsilon)backslash0 $

          $implies |f(2x)-L|<varepsilonquad forall xinleft(-fracdelta_varepsilon2,fracdelta_varepsilon2right )backslashlbrace 0 rbrace$

          $implies |g(x)-L|<varepsilonquadforall xin left (-delta_varepsilon',delta_varepsilon'right )backslash0$ where $delta_varepsilon' =fracdelta_varepsilon2 >0$

          For any $varepsilon >0$, $existsdelta_varepsilon'>0$ such that $|g(x)-L|<varepsilonquadforall xin left (-delta_varepsilon',delta_varepsilon'right )backslash0$
          $implies lim_xto 0 g(x)=Limplieslim_xto 0 f(2x)=L=lim_xto 0 f(x)$(Proved)
          This is true only when we are taking limit at $0$ i.e. $lim_xto c f(x)$ may not be equal to $lim_xto c f(2x)$ for any $cinBbbR$(Why?)

          You can verify this result geometrically also(Hint: To obtain the graph of $xmapsto f(2x)$, shrink the graph of $f$ horizontally by $frac12$).






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          Although, I don't know where you get this proposition, my implication shows




          If $f$ is a real-valued function on $BbbR$, such that $lim_xto
          0 f(x)$ exists then $lim_xto 0 f(2x)$ exists and equal to
          $lim_xto 0 f(x)$.




          I am going to prove this statement.

          Let, $lim_xto 0 f(x)=LinBbbR$ and define $g:BbbRtoBbbR$ by $g(x)=f(2x)quadforall xinBbbR$

          To prove $lim_xto 0 f(2x)=L$, it is enough to show that $lim_xto 0 g(x)=L$

          Choose $varepsilon >0$

          Then $exists delta_varepsilon >0$ such that $|f(x)-L|<varepsilonquadforall xin(-delta_varepsilon,delta_varepsilon)backslash0 $

          $implies |f(2x)-L|<varepsilonquad forall xinleft(-fracdelta_varepsilon2,fracdelta_varepsilon2right )backslashlbrace 0 rbrace$

          $implies |g(x)-L|<varepsilonquadforall xin left (-delta_varepsilon',delta_varepsilon'right )backslash0$ where $delta_varepsilon' =fracdelta_varepsilon2 >0$

          For any $varepsilon >0$, $existsdelta_varepsilon'>0$ such that $|g(x)-L|<varepsilonquadforall xin left (-delta_varepsilon',delta_varepsilon'right )backslash0$
          $implies lim_xto 0 g(x)=Limplieslim_xto 0 f(2x)=L=lim_xto 0 f(x)$(Proved)
          This is true only when we are taking limit at $0$ i.e. $lim_xto c f(x)$ may not be equal to $lim_xto c f(2x)$ for any $cinBbbR$(Why?)

          You can verify this result geometrically also(Hint: To obtain the graph of $xmapsto f(2x)$, shrink the graph of $f$ horizontally by $frac12$).







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              By definition, if $f(xi) to L$ as $xi to 0$, this means that



              $$|f(2x) - L| < epsilon quad textwhenever quad |2x| < delta$$



              but this just means that $|x| < delta/2$ implies $|f(2x) - L| < epsilon$



              so $f(2x) to L$ as $x to 0$.






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                By definition, if $f(xi) to L$ as $xi to 0$, this means that



                $$|f(2x) - L| < epsilon quad textwhenever quad |2x| < delta$$



                but this just means that $|x| < delta/2$ implies $|f(2x) - L| < epsilon$



                so $f(2x) to L$ as $x to 0$.






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                  By definition, if $f(xi) to L$ as $xi to 0$, this means that



                  $$|f(2x) - L| < epsilon quad textwhenever quad |2x| < delta$$



                  but this just means that $|x| < delta/2$ implies $|f(2x) - L| < epsilon$



                  so $f(2x) to L$ as $x to 0$.






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                  By definition, if $f(xi) to L$ as $xi to 0$, this means that



                  $$|f(2x) - L| < epsilon quad textwhenever quad |2x| < delta$$



                  but this just means that $|x| < delta/2$ implies $|f(2x) - L| < epsilon$



                  so $f(2x) to L$ as $x to 0$.







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                      Let $f : p/3^n mid p, n in mathbb N to mathbb R$ be defined by $f(p/3^n) = (-1)^p.$ Then $lim_x to 0 f(x)$ is not defined but $lim_x to 0 f(2x)$ is defined and equals $1.$






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                      • this was kinda the one that i thought, but yours is much more elegant. thanks for the help
                        – aditya gupta
                        Jul 19 at 14:34










                      • Note that one limit exists and the other does not. You can not find a function where both limits exist and are different.
                        – md2perpe
                        Jul 19 at 19:46














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                      Let $f : p/3^n mid p, n in mathbb N to mathbb R$ be defined by $f(p/3^n) = (-1)^p.$ Then $lim_x to 0 f(x)$ is not defined but $lim_x to 0 f(2x)$ is defined and equals $1.$






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                      • this was kinda the one that i thought, but yours is much more elegant. thanks for the help
                        – aditya gupta
                        Jul 19 at 14:34










                      • Note that one limit exists and the other does not. You can not find a function where both limits exist and are different.
                        – md2perpe
                        Jul 19 at 19:46












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                      Let $f : p/3^n mid p, n in mathbb N to mathbb R$ be defined by $f(p/3^n) = (-1)^p.$ Then $lim_x to 0 f(x)$ is not defined but $lim_x to 0 f(2x)$ is defined and equals $1.$






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                      Let $f : p/3^n mid p, n in mathbb N to mathbb R$ be defined by $f(p/3^n) = (-1)^p.$ Then $lim_x to 0 f(x)$ is not defined but $lim_x to 0 f(2x)$ is defined and equals $1.$







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                      • this was kinda the one that i thought, but yours is much more elegant. thanks for the help
                        – aditya gupta
                        Jul 19 at 14:34










                      • Note that one limit exists and the other does not. You can not find a function where both limits exist and are different.
                        – md2perpe
                        Jul 19 at 19:46
















                      • this was kinda the one that i thought, but yours is much more elegant. thanks for the help
                        – aditya gupta
                        Jul 19 at 14:34










                      • Note that one limit exists and the other does not. You can not find a function where both limits exist and are different.
                        – md2perpe
                        Jul 19 at 19:46















                      this was kinda the one that i thought, but yours is much more elegant. thanks for the help
                      – aditya gupta
                      Jul 19 at 14:34




                      this was kinda the one that i thought, but yours is much more elegant. thanks for the help
                      – aditya gupta
                      Jul 19 at 14:34












                      Note that one limit exists and the other does not. You can not find a function where both limits exist and are different.
                      – md2perpe
                      Jul 19 at 19:46




                      Note that one limit exists and the other does not. You can not find a function where both limits exist and are different.
                      – md2perpe
                      Jul 19 at 19:46


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