Give an example to illustrate that $lim_xto 0 f(x)$ is not always equal to $lim_xto 0 f(2x)$ [closed]
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It's really hard to come up with such an example. My professor said that the example won't be made up of ILATE functions. It would be something like signum, gif etc.
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It's really hard to come up with such an example. My professor said that the example won't be made up of ILATE functions. It would be something like signum, gif etc.
calculus real-analysis limits
closed as off-topic by Alex Francisco, steven gregory, Paramanand Singh, Strants, Daniel Fischer⦠Jul 18 at 20:54
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How could they even be different?
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Jul 18 at 12:29
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@adityagupta, if you take the limit at $0$, they will be same.
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Jul 18 at 13:28
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Either your professor tricked you, or there is something you don't tell us.
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Jul 18 at 13:42
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Should $f$ be defined for all $x in mathbb R$? If not, then I can solve it, I think.
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Jul 18 at 13:43
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This is nonsense as stated. Possibly what he asked for is not exactly what you say?
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It's really hard to come up with such an example. My professor said that the example won't be made up of ILATE functions. It would be something like signum, gif etc.
calculus real-analysis limits
It's really hard to come up with such an example. My professor said that the example won't be made up of ILATE functions. It would be something like signum, gif etc.
calculus real-analysis limits
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closed as off-topic by Alex Francisco, steven gregory, Paramanand Singh, Strants, Daniel Fischer⦠Jul 18 at 20:54
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How could they even be different?
â md2perpe
Jul 18 at 12:29
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@adityagupta, if you take the limit at $0$, they will be same.
â Biswarup Saha
Jul 18 at 13:28
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Either your professor tricked you, or there is something you don't tell us.
â Yves Daoust
Jul 18 at 13:42
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Should $f$ be defined for all $x in mathbb R$? If not, then I can solve it, I think.
â md2perpe
Jul 18 at 13:43
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This is nonsense as stated. Possibly what he asked for is not exactly what you say?
â David C. Ullrich
Jul 18 at 13:59
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How could they even be different?
â md2perpe
Jul 18 at 12:29
1
@adityagupta, if you take the limit at $0$, they will be same.
â Biswarup Saha
Jul 18 at 13:28
3
Either your professor tricked you, or there is something you don't tell us.
â Yves Daoust
Jul 18 at 13:42
1
Should $f$ be defined for all $x in mathbb R$? If not, then I can solve it, I think.
â md2perpe
Jul 18 at 13:43
1
This is nonsense as stated. Possibly what he asked for is not exactly what you say?
â David C. Ullrich
Jul 18 at 13:59
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How could they even be different?
â md2perpe
Jul 18 at 12:29
How could they even be different?
â md2perpe
Jul 18 at 12:29
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@adityagupta, if you take the limit at $0$, they will be same.
â Biswarup Saha
Jul 18 at 13:28
@adityagupta, if you take the limit at $0$, they will be same.
â Biswarup Saha
Jul 18 at 13:28
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3
Either your professor tricked you, or there is something you don't tell us.
â Yves Daoust
Jul 18 at 13:42
Either your professor tricked you, or there is something you don't tell us.
â Yves Daoust
Jul 18 at 13:42
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1
Should $f$ be defined for all $x in mathbb R$? If not, then I can solve it, I think.
â md2perpe
Jul 18 at 13:43
Should $f$ be defined for all $x in mathbb R$? If not, then I can solve it, I think.
â md2perpe
Jul 18 at 13:43
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1
This is nonsense as stated. Possibly what he asked for is not exactly what you say?
â David C. Ullrich
Jul 18 at 13:59
This is nonsense as stated. Possibly what he asked for is not exactly what you say?
â David C. Ullrich
Jul 18 at 13:59
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Although, I don't know where you get this proposition, my implication shows
If $f$ is a real-valued function on $BbbR$, such that $lim_xto
0 f(x)$ exists then $lim_xto 0 f(2x)$ exists and equal to
$lim_xto 0 f(x)$.
I am going to prove this statement.
Let, $lim_xto 0 f(x)=LinBbbR$ and define $g:BbbRtoBbbR$ by $g(x)=f(2x)quadforall xinBbbR$
To prove $lim_xto 0 f(2x)=L$, it is enough to show that $lim_xto 0 g(x)=L$
Choose $varepsilon >0$
Then $exists delta_varepsilon >0$ such that $|f(x)-L|<varepsilonquadforall xin(-delta_varepsilon,delta_varepsilon)backslash0 $
$implies |f(2x)-L|<varepsilonquad forall xinleft(-fracdelta_varepsilon2,fracdelta_varepsilon2right )backslashlbrace 0 rbrace$
$implies |g(x)-L|<varepsilonquadforall xin left (-delta_varepsilon',delta_varepsilon'right )backslash0$ where $delta_varepsilon' =fracdelta_varepsilon2 >0$
For any $varepsilon >0$, $existsdelta_varepsilon'>0$ such that $|g(x)-L|<varepsilonquadforall xin left (-delta_varepsilon',delta_varepsilon'right )backslash0$
$implies lim_xto 0 g(x)=Limplieslim_xto 0 f(2x)=L=lim_xto 0 f(x)$(Proved)
This is true only when we are taking limit at $0$ i.e. $lim_xto c f(x)$ may not be equal to $lim_xto c f(2x)$ for any $cinBbbR$(Why?)
You can verify this result geometrically also(Hint: To obtain the graph of $xmapsto f(2x)$, shrink the graph of $f$ horizontally by $frac12$).
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By definition, if $f(xi) to L$ as $xi to 0$, this means that
$$|f(2x) - L| < epsilon quad textwhenever quad |2x| < delta$$
but this just means that $|x| < delta/2$ implies $|f(2x) - L| < epsilon$
so $f(2x) to L$ as $x to 0$.
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Let $f : p/3^n mid p, n in mathbb N to mathbb R$ be defined by $f(p/3^n) = (-1)^p.$ Then $lim_x to 0 f(x)$ is not defined but $lim_x to 0 f(2x)$ is defined and equals $1.$
this was kinda the one that i thought, but yours is much more elegant. thanks for the help
â aditya gupta
Jul 19 at 14:34
Note that one limit exists and the other does not. You can not find a function where both limits exist and are different.
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Although, I don't know where you get this proposition, my implication shows
If $f$ is a real-valued function on $BbbR$, such that $lim_xto
0 f(x)$ exists then $lim_xto 0 f(2x)$ exists and equal to
$lim_xto 0 f(x)$.
I am going to prove this statement.
Let, $lim_xto 0 f(x)=LinBbbR$ and define $g:BbbRtoBbbR$ by $g(x)=f(2x)quadforall xinBbbR$
To prove $lim_xto 0 f(2x)=L$, it is enough to show that $lim_xto 0 g(x)=L$
Choose $varepsilon >0$
Then $exists delta_varepsilon >0$ such that $|f(x)-L|<varepsilonquadforall xin(-delta_varepsilon,delta_varepsilon)backslash0 $
$implies |f(2x)-L|<varepsilonquad forall xinleft(-fracdelta_varepsilon2,fracdelta_varepsilon2right )backslashlbrace 0 rbrace$
$implies |g(x)-L|<varepsilonquadforall xin left (-delta_varepsilon',delta_varepsilon'right )backslash0$ where $delta_varepsilon' =fracdelta_varepsilon2 >0$
For any $varepsilon >0$, $existsdelta_varepsilon'>0$ such that $|g(x)-L|<varepsilonquadforall xin left (-delta_varepsilon',delta_varepsilon'right )backslash0$
$implies lim_xto 0 g(x)=Limplieslim_xto 0 f(2x)=L=lim_xto 0 f(x)$(Proved)
This is true only when we are taking limit at $0$ i.e. $lim_xto c f(x)$ may not be equal to $lim_xto c f(2x)$ for any $cinBbbR$(Why?)
You can verify this result geometrically also(Hint: To obtain the graph of $xmapsto f(2x)$, shrink the graph of $f$ horizontally by $frac12$).
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Although, I don't know where you get this proposition, my implication shows
If $f$ is a real-valued function on $BbbR$, such that $lim_xto
0 f(x)$ exists then $lim_xto 0 f(2x)$ exists and equal to
$lim_xto 0 f(x)$.
I am going to prove this statement.
Let, $lim_xto 0 f(x)=LinBbbR$ and define $g:BbbRtoBbbR$ by $g(x)=f(2x)quadforall xinBbbR$
To prove $lim_xto 0 f(2x)=L$, it is enough to show that $lim_xto 0 g(x)=L$
Choose $varepsilon >0$
Then $exists delta_varepsilon >0$ such that $|f(x)-L|<varepsilonquadforall xin(-delta_varepsilon,delta_varepsilon)backslash0 $
$implies |f(2x)-L|<varepsilonquad forall xinleft(-fracdelta_varepsilon2,fracdelta_varepsilon2right )backslashlbrace 0 rbrace$
$implies |g(x)-L|<varepsilonquadforall xin left (-delta_varepsilon',delta_varepsilon'right )backslash0$ where $delta_varepsilon' =fracdelta_varepsilon2 >0$
For any $varepsilon >0$, $existsdelta_varepsilon'>0$ such that $|g(x)-L|<varepsilonquadforall xin left (-delta_varepsilon',delta_varepsilon'right )backslash0$
$implies lim_xto 0 g(x)=Limplieslim_xto 0 f(2x)=L=lim_xto 0 f(x)$(Proved)
This is true only when we are taking limit at $0$ i.e. $lim_xto c f(x)$ may not be equal to $lim_xto c f(2x)$ for any $cinBbbR$(Why?)
You can verify this result geometrically also(Hint: To obtain the graph of $xmapsto f(2x)$, shrink the graph of $f$ horizontally by $frac12$).
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Although, I don't know where you get this proposition, my implication shows
If $f$ is a real-valued function on $BbbR$, such that $lim_xto
0 f(x)$ exists then $lim_xto 0 f(2x)$ exists and equal to
$lim_xto 0 f(x)$.
I am going to prove this statement.
Let, $lim_xto 0 f(x)=LinBbbR$ and define $g:BbbRtoBbbR$ by $g(x)=f(2x)quadforall xinBbbR$
To prove $lim_xto 0 f(2x)=L$, it is enough to show that $lim_xto 0 g(x)=L$
Choose $varepsilon >0$
Then $exists delta_varepsilon >0$ such that $|f(x)-L|<varepsilonquadforall xin(-delta_varepsilon,delta_varepsilon)backslash0 $
$implies |f(2x)-L|<varepsilonquad forall xinleft(-fracdelta_varepsilon2,fracdelta_varepsilon2right )backslashlbrace 0 rbrace$
$implies |g(x)-L|<varepsilonquadforall xin left (-delta_varepsilon',delta_varepsilon'right )backslash0$ where $delta_varepsilon' =fracdelta_varepsilon2 >0$
For any $varepsilon >0$, $existsdelta_varepsilon'>0$ such that $|g(x)-L|<varepsilonquadforall xin left (-delta_varepsilon',delta_varepsilon'right )backslash0$
$implies lim_xto 0 g(x)=Limplieslim_xto 0 f(2x)=L=lim_xto 0 f(x)$(Proved)
This is true only when we are taking limit at $0$ i.e. $lim_xto c f(x)$ may not be equal to $lim_xto c f(2x)$ for any $cinBbbR$(Why?)
You can verify this result geometrically also(Hint: To obtain the graph of $xmapsto f(2x)$, shrink the graph of $f$ horizontally by $frac12$).
Although, I don't know where you get this proposition, my implication shows
If $f$ is a real-valued function on $BbbR$, such that $lim_xto
0 f(x)$ exists then $lim_xto 0 f(2x)$ exists and equal to
$lim_xto 0 f(x)$.
I am going to prove this statement.
Let, $lim_xto 0 f(x)=LinBbbR$ and define $g:BbbRtoBbbR$ by $g(x)=f(2x)quadforall xinBbbR$
To prove $lim_xto 0 f(2x)=L$, it is enough to show that $lim_xto 0 g(x)=L$
Choose $varepsilon >0$
Then $exists delta_varepsilon >0$ such that $|f(x)-L|<varepsilonquadforall xin(-delta_varepsilon,delta_varepsilon)backslash0 $
$implies |f(2x)-L|<varepsilonquad forall xinleft(-fracdelta_varepsilon2,fracdelta_varepsilon2right )backslashlbrace 0 rbrace$
$implies |g(x)-L|<varepsilonquadforall xin left (-delta_varepsilon',delta_varepsilon'right )backslash0$ where $delta_varepsilon' =fracdelta_varepsilon2 >0$
For any $varepsilon >0$, $existsdelta_varepsilon'>0$ such that $|g(x)-L|<varepsilonquadforall xin left (-delta_varepsilon',delta_varepsilon'right )backslash0$
$implies lim_xto 0 g(x)=Limplieslim_xto 0 f(2x)=L=lim_xto 0 f(x)$(Proved)
This is true only when we are taking limit at $0$ i.e. $lim_xto c f(x)$ may not be equal to $lim_xto c f(2x)$ for any $cinBbbR$(Why?)
You can verify this result geometrically also(Hint: To obtain the graph of $xmapsto f(2x)$, shrink the graph of $f$ horizontally by $frac12$).
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By definition, if $f(xi) to L$ as $xi to 0$, this means that
$$|f(2x) - L| < epsilon quad textwhenever quad |2x| < delta$$
but this just means that $|x| < delta/2$ implies $|f(2x) - L| < epsilon$
so $f(2x) to L$ as $x to 0$.
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
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By definition, if $f(xi) to L$ as $xi to 0$, this means that
$$|f(2x) - L| < epsilon quad textwhenever quad |2x| < delta$$
but this just means that $|x| < delta/2$ implies $|f(2x) - L| < epsilon$
so $f(2x) to L$ as $x to 0$.
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By definition, if $f(xi) to L$ as $xi to 0$, this means that
$$|f(2x) - L| < epsilon quad textwhenever quad |2x| < delta$$
but this just means that $|x| < delta/2$ implies $|f(2x) - L| < epsilon$
so $f(2x) to L$ as $x to 0$.
By definition, if $f(xi) to L$ as $xi to 0$, this means that
$$|f(2x) - L| < epsilon quad textwhenever quad |2x| < delta$$
but this just means that $|x| < delta/2$ implies $|f(2x) - L| < epsilon$
so $f(2x) to L$ as $x to 0$.
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Let $f : p/3^n mid p, n in mathbb N to mathbb R$ be defined by $f(p/3^n) = (-1)^p.$ Then $lim_x to 0 f(x)$ is not defined but $lim_x to 0 f(2x)$ is defined and equals $1.$
this was kinda the one that i thought, but yours is much more elegant. thanks for the help
â aditya gupta
Jul 19 at 14:34
Note that one limit exists and the other does not. You can not find a function where both limits exist and are different.
â md2perpe
Jul 19 at 19:46
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Let $f : p/3^n mid p, n in mathbb N to mathbb R$ be defined by $f(p/3^n) = (-1)^p.$ Then $lim_x to 0 f(x)$ is not defined but $lim_x to 0 f(2x)$ is defined and equals $1.$
this was kinda the one that i thought, but yours is much more elegant. thanks for the help
â aditya gupta
Jul 19 at 14:34
Note that one limit exists and the other does not. You can not find a function where both limits exist and are different.
â md2perpe
Jul 19 at 19:46
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Let $f : p/3^n mid p, n in mathbb N to mathbb R$ be defined by $f(p/3^n) = (-1)^p.$ Then $lim_x to 0 f(x)$ is not defined but $lim_x to 0 f(2x)$ is defined and equals $1.$
Let $f : p/3^n mid p, n in mathbb N to mathbb R$ be defined by $f(p/3^n) = (-1)^p.$ Then $lim_x to 0 f(x)$ is not defined but $lim_x to 0 f(2x)$ is defined and equals $1.$
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this was kinda the one that i thought, but yours is much more elegant. thanks for the help
â aditya gupta
Jul 19 at 14:34
Note that one limit exists and the other does not. You can not find a function where both limits exist and are different.
â md2perpe
Jul 19 at 19:46
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this was kinda the one that i thought, but yours is much more elegant. thanks for the help
â aditya gupta
Jul 19 at 14:34
Note that one limit exists and the other does not. You can not find a function where both limits exist and are different.
â md2perpe
Jul 19 at 19:46
this was kinda the one that i thought, but yours is much more elegant. thanks for the help
â aditya gupta
Jul 19 at 14:34
this was kinda the one that i thought, but yours is much more elegant. thanks for the help
â aditya gupta
Jul 19 at 14:34
Note that one limit exists and the other does not. You can not find a function where both limits exist and are different.
â md2perpe
Jul 19 at 19:46
Note that one limit exists and the other does not. You can not find a function where both limits exist and are different.
â md2perpe
Jul 19 at 19:46
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How could they even be different?
â md2perpe
Jul 18 at 12:29
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@adityagupta, if you take the limit at $0$, they will be same.
â Biswarup Saha
Jul 18 at 13:28
3
Either your professor tricked you, or there is something you don't tell us.
â Yves Daoust
Jul 18 at 13:42
1
Should $f$ be defined for all $x in mathbb R$? If not, then I can solve it, I think.
â md2perpe
Jul 18 at 13:43
1
This is nonsense as stated. Possibly what he asked for is not exactly what you say?
â David C. Ullrich
Jul 18 at 13:59