Value of $lim_n to infty left(frac(n+1)(n+2)(n+3)…(3n)n^2nright)^1/n$

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I was asked to evaluate the following expression:



$lim_n to infty left(frac(n+1)(n+2)(n+3)...(3n)n^2nright)^1/n$



My first step was to assume that the limit existed, and set that value to $y$.



$ y = lim_n to infty left(frac(n+1)(n+2)(n+3)...(3n)n^2nright)^1/n$



And then, I took the natural logarithm of both sides of the equation. I obtained the expression:



$ ln y = lim_n to infty frac1n cdot left(ln(1+frac1n) + ln(1+frac2n) + ... + ln(1+frac2nn)right) $



This simplified to:



$ ln y = lim_n to infty frac1n cdot sum_k = 1^colorRed2n ln(1+frackn) $



I realize that this is similar to the form of a Riemann sum, which can then be manipulated to give the expression in the form of a definite integral. However, the part bolded in red, which is $ 2n$, throws me off. I have only seen Riemann sums be evaluated when the upper limit is $ n - k $, where $k$ is a constant.



Therefore, how would I go about evaluating this expression?



Thank you for all help in advance.







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I was asked to evaluate the following expression:



$lim_n to infty left(frac(n+1)(n+2)(n+3)...(3n)n^2nright)^1/n$



My first step was to assume that the limit existed, and set that value to $y$.



$ y = lim_n to infty left(frac(n+1)(n+2)(n+3)...(3n)n^2nright)^1/n$



And then, I took the natural logarithm of both sides of the equation. I obtained the expression:



$ ln y = lim_n to infty frac1n cdot left(ln(1+frac1n) + ln(1+frac2n) + ... + ln(1+frac2nn)right) $



This simplified to:



$ ln y = lim_n to infty frac1n cdot sum_k = 1^colorRed2n ln(1+frackn) $



I realize that this is similar to the form of a Riemann sum, which can then be manipulated to give the expression in the form of a definite integral. However, the part bolded in red, which is $ 2n$, throws me off. I have only seen Riemann sums be evaluated when the upper limit is $ n - k $, where $k$ is a constant.



Therefore, how would I go about evaluating this expression?



Thank you for all help in advance.







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I was asked to evaluate the following expression:



$lim_n to infty left(frac(n+1)(n+2)(n+3)...(3n)n^2nright)^1/n$



My first step was to assume that the limit existed, and set that value to $y$.



$ y = lim_n to infty left(frac(n+1)(n+2)(n+3)...(3n)n^2nright)^1/n$



And then, I took the natural logarithm of both sides of the equation. I obtained the expression:



$ ln y = lim_n to infty frac1n cdot left(ln(1+frac1n) + ln(1+frac2n) + ... + ln(1+frac2nn)right) $



This simplified to:



$ ln y = lim_n to infty frac1n cdot sum_k = 1^colorRed2n ln(1+frackn) $



I realize that this is similar to the form of a Riemann sum, which can then be manipulated to give the expression in the form of a definite integral. However, the part bolded in red, which is $ 2n$, throws me off. I have only seen Riemann sums be evaluated when the upper limit is $ n - k $, where $k$ is a constant.



Therefore, how would I go about evaluating this expression?



Thank you for all help in advance.







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I was asked to evaluate the following expression:



$lim_n to infty left(frac(n+1)(n+2)(n+3)...(3n)n^2nright)^1/n$



My first step was to assume that the limit existed, and set that value to $y$.



$ y = lim_n to infty left(frac(n+1)(n+2)(n+3)...(3n)n^2nright)^1/n$



And then, I took the natural logarithm of both sides of the equation. I obtained the expression:



$ ln y = lim_n to infty frac1n cdot left(ln(1+frac1n) + ln(1+frac2n) + ... + ln(1+frac2nn)right) $



This simplified to:



$ ln y = lim_n to infty frac1n cdot sum_k = 1^colorRed2n ln(1+frackn) $



I realize that this is similar to the form of a Riemann sum, which can then be manipulated to give the expression in the form of a definite integral. However, the part bolded in red, which is $ 2n$, throws me off. I have only seen Riemann sums be evaluated when the upper limit is $ n - k $, where $k$ is a constant.



Therefore, how would I go about evaluating this expression?



Thank you for all help in advance.









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Consider
$$int_0^2f(x),dx$$
where
$$f(x)=ln(1+x).$$
Splitting $[1,2]$ into $2n$ intervals of length $1/n$ gives a Riemann
sum
$$frac1nsum_k=1^2nf(k/n)=frac1nsum_k=1^2nlnleft(
1+frac knright)$$
which is exactly yours.



Alternatively you could use Stirling's formula.






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    We use the following result: if $(a_n)$ is a sequence such that $a_n >0$ for all $n$ and $(fraca_n+1a_n)$ is convergent, then $(a_n^1/n)$ is convergent and



    $$lim_n to inftyfraca_n+1a_n=lim_n to inftya_n^1/n.$$



    Now let $a_n:= frac(n+1)(n+2)(n+3)...(3n)n^2n$.



    Some easy computations give



    $$fraca_n+1a_n=frac(3n+1)(3n+2)(3n+3)(n+1)^3 cdot (1- frac1n+1)^2n to frac27e^2.$$






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      $(2)^1/nrightarrow 1$, so the answer is not altered by adding an $n$ and dropping $2n$ from the middle of the numerator.
      Rearrange the terms in the numerator to produce the following pairing:
      $$((n)(3n))((n+1)(3n-1))((n+2)(3n-2))cdots ((2n-1)(2n+1))$$



      This is $prodlimits_i=1^n (2n-i)(2n+i) = prodlimits_i=1^n (4n^2-i^2)$
      After dividing by $n^2n$, you obtain $prodlimits_i=1^n (4-(i/n)^2)$.
      So the limit you are looking for equals to $exp(limlimits_nrightarrow infty sumlimits_i=1^nfrac1nlog(4-left(fracinright)^2))$.



      Clearly, as $n$ tends to infinity, the sum $sumlimits_i=1^nfrac1nlog(4-left(fracinright)^2))$ tends to the integral $intlimits_0^1 log(4-x^2) , dx = intlimits_0^1 log(2-x) , dx + intlimits_0^1 log(2+x) , dx$.



      It is easy to compute both definit integrals.



      But your calculation is also good. I that case, you obtain a definite integral on $[0,2]$.






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        Just a comment after Lord Shark the Unknown's answer.



        When I see things looking like factorials, my first reaction is to think about Stirling's approximation of them.



        $$a_n=left(fracprod_i=1^2n (n+i)n^2nright)^frac 1n=left(frac(3n)!n^2n,n!right)^frac 1n$$



        $$log(a_n)=frac 1n left(log((3n)!)-log(n!)-2n log(n)right)$$ Now, Stirling's approximation
        $$log(p!)=p (log (p)-1)+frac12 left(log (2 pi )+log
        left(pright)right)+frac112
        p+Oleft(frac1p^3right)$$ Apply it and simplify to get
        $$log(a_n)=frac 1n left( (3log (3)-2)n+fraclog (3)2-frac118
        n+Oleft(frac1n^3right) right)$$ $$log(a_n)=(3log (3)-2)+fraclog (3)2n-frac118
        n^2+Oleft(frac1n^4right) $$ Now, using
        $$a_n=e^log(a_n)=frac27 e^2 left(1+fraclog (3)2 nright)+Oleft(frac1n^2right) $$ which shows the limit and how it is approached.






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          Consider
          $$int_0^2f(x),dx$$
          where
          $$f(x)=ln(1+x).$$
          Splitting $[1,2]$ into $2n$ intervals of length $1/n$ gives a Riemann
          sum
          $$frac1nsum_k=1^2nf(k/n)=frac1nsum_k=1^2nlnleft(
          1+frac knright)$$
          which is exactly yours.



          Alternatively you could use Stirling's formula.






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            Consider
            $$int_0^2f(x),dx$$
            where
            $$f(x)=ln(1+x).$$
            Splitting $[1,2]$ into $2n$ intervals of length $1/n$ gives a Riemann
            sum
            $$frac1nsum_k=1^2nf(k/n)=frac1nsum_k=1^2nlnleft(
            1+frac knright)$$
            which is exactly yours.



            Alternatively you could use Stirling's formula.






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              Consider
              $$int_0^2f(x),dx$$
              where
              $$f(x)=ln(1+x).$$
              Splitting $[1,2]$ into $2n$ intervals of length $1/n$ gives a Riemann
              sum
              $$frac1nsum_k=1^2nf(k/n)=frac1nsum_k=1^2nlnleft(
              1+frac knright)$$
              which is exactly yours.



              Alternatively you could use Stirling's formula.






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              Consider
              $$int_0^2f(x),dx$$
              where
              $$f(x)=ln(1+x).$$
              Splitting $[1,2]$ into $2n$ intervals of length $1/n$ gives a Riemann
              sum
              $$frac1nsum_k=1^2nf(k/n)=frac1nsum_k=1^2nlnleft(
              1+frac knright)$$
              which is exactly yours.



              Alternatively you could use Stirling's formula.







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                  We use the following result: if $(a_n)$ is a sequence such that $a_n >0$ for all $n$ and $(fraca_n+1a_n)$ is convergent, then $(a_n^1/n)$ is convergent and



                  $$lim_n to inftyfraca_n+1a_n=lim_n to inftya_n^1/n.$$



                  Now let $a_n:= frac(n+1)(n+2)(n+3)...(3n)n^2n$.



                  Some easy computations give



                  $$fraca_n+1a_n=frac(3n+1)(3n+2)(3n+3)(n+1)^3 cdot (1- frac1n+1)^2n to frac27e^2.$$






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                    We use the following result: if $(a_n)$ is a sequence such that $a_n >0$ for all $n$ and $(fraca_n+1a_n)$ is convergent, then $(a_n^1/n)$ is convergent and



                    $$lim_n to inftyfraca_n+1a_n=lim_n to inftya_n^1/n.$$



                    Now let $a_n:= frac(n+1)(n+2)(n+3)...(3n)n^2n$.



                    Some easy computations give



                    $$fraca_n+1a_n=frac(3n+1)(3n+2)(3n+3)(n+1)^3 cdot (1- frac1n+1)^2n to frac27e^2.$$






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                      We use the following result: if $(a_n)$ is a sequence such that $a_n >0$ for all $n$ and $(fraca_n+1a_n)$ is convergent, then $(a_n^1/n)$ is convergent and



                      $$lim_n to inftyfraca_n+1a_n=lim_n to inftya_n^1/n.$$



                      Now let $a_n:= frac(n+1)(n+2)(n+3)...(3n)n^2n$.



                      Some easy computations give



                      $$fraca_n+1a_n=frac(3n+1)(3n+2)(3n+3)(n+1)^3 cdot (1- frac1n+1)^2n to frac27e^2.$$






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                      We use the following result: if $(a_n)$ is a sequence such that $a_n >0$ for all $n$ and $(fraca_n+1a_n)$ is convergent, then $(a_n^1/n)$ is convergent and



                      $$lim_n to inftyfraca_n+1a_n=lim_n to inftya_n^1/n.$$



                      Now let $a_n:= frac(n+1)(n+2)(n+3)...(3n)n^2n$.



                      Some easy computations give



                      $$fraca_n+1a_n=frac(3n+1)(3n+2)(3n+3)(n+1)^3 cdot (1- frac1n+1)^2n to frac27e^2.$$







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                          $(2)^1/nrightarrow 1$, so the answer is not altered by adding an $n$ and dropping $2n$ from the middle of the numerator.
                          Rearrange the terms in the numerator to produce the following pairing:
                          $$((n)(3n))((n+1)(3n-1))((n+2)(3n-2))cdots ((2n-1)(2n+1))$$



                          This is $prodlimits_i=1^n (2n-i)(2n+i) = prodlimits_i=1^n (4n^2-i^2)$
                          After dividing by $n^2n$, you obtain $prodlimits_i=1^n (4-(i/n)^2)$.
                          So the limit you are looking for equals to $exp(limlimits_nrightarrow infty sumlimits_i=1^nfrac1nlog(4-left(fracinright)^2))$.



                          Clearly, as $n$ tends to infinity, the sum $sumlimits_i=1^nfrac1nlog(4-left(fracinright)^2))$ tends to the integral $intlimits_0^1 log(4-x^2) , dx = intlimits_0^1 log(2-x) , dx + intlimits_0^1 log(2+x) , dx$.



                          It is easy to compute both definit integrals.



                          But your calculation is also good. I that case, you obtain a definite integral on $[0,2]$.






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                            $(2)^1/nrightarrow 1$, so the answer is not altered by adding an $n$ and dropping $2n$ from the middle of the numerator.
                            Rearrange the terms in the numerator to produce the following pairing:
                            $$((n)(3n))((n+1)(3n-1))((n+2)(3n-2))cdots ((2n-1)(2n+1))$$



                            This is $prodlimits_i=1^n (2n-i)(2n+i) = prodlimits_i=1^n (4n^2-i^2)$
                            After dividing by $n^2n$, you obtain $prodlimits_i=1^n (4-(i/n)^2)$.
                            So the limit you are looking for equals to $exp(limlimits_nrightarrow infty sumlimits_i=1^nfrac1nlog(4-left(fracinright)^2))$.



                            Clearly, as $n$ tends to infinity, the sum $sumlimits_i=1^nfrac1nlog(4-left(fracinright)^2))$ tends to the integral $intlimits_0^1 log(4-x^2) , dx = intlimits_0^1 log(2-x) , dx + intlimits_0^1 log(2+x) , dx$.



                            It is easy to compute both definit integrals.



                            But your calculation is also good. I that case, you obtain a definite integral on $[0,2]$.






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                              $(2)^1/nrightarrow 1$, so the answer is not altered by adding an $n$ and dropping $2n$ from the middle of the numerator.
                              Rearrange the terms in the numerator to produce the following pairing:
                              $$((n)(3n))((n+1)(3n-1))((n+2)(3n-2))cdots ((2n-1)(2n+1))$$



                              This is $prodlimits_i=1^n (2n-i)(2n+i) = prodlimits_i=1^n (4n^2-i^2)$
                              After dividing by $n^2n$, you obtain $prodlimits_i=1^n (4-(i/n)^2)$.
                              So the limit you are looking for equals to $exp(limlimits_nrightarrow infty sumlimits_i=1^nfrac1nlog(4-left(fracinright)^2))$.



                              Clearly, as $n$ tends to infinity, the sum $sumlimits_i=1^nfrac1nlog(4-left(fracinright)^2))$ tends to the integral $intlimits_0^1 log(4-x^2) , dx = intlimits_0^1 log(2-x) , dx + intlimits_0^1 log(2+x) , dx$.



                              It is easy to compute both definit integrals.



                              But your calculation is also good. I that case, you obtain a definite integral on $[0,2]$.






                              share|cite|improve this answer













                              $(2)^1/nrightarrow 1$, so the answer is not altered by adding an $n$ and dropping $2n$ from the middle of the numerator.
                              Rearrange the terms in the numerator to produce the following pairing:
                              $$((n)(3n))((n+1)(3n-1))((n+2)(3n-2))cdots ((2n-1)(2n+1))$$



                              This is $prodlimits_i=1^n (2n-i)(2n+i) = prodlimits_i=1^n (4n^2-i^2)$
                              After dividing by $n^2n$, you obtain $prodlimits_i=1^n (4-(i/n)^2)$.
                              So the limit you are looking for equals to $exp(limlimits_nrightarrow infty sumlimits_i=1^nfrac1nlog(4-left(fracinright)^2))$.



                              Clearly, as $n$ tends to infinity, the sum $sumlimits_i=1^nfrac1nlog(4-left(fracinright)^2))$ tends to the integral $intlimits_0^1 log(4-x^2) , dx = intlimits_0^1 log(2-x) , dx + intlimits_0^1 log(2+x) , dx$.



                              It is easy to compute both definit integrals.



                              But your calculation is also good. I that case, you obtain a definite integral on $[0,2]$.







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                                  Just a comment after Lord Shark the Unknown's answer.



                                  When I see things looking like factorials, my first reaction is to think about Stirling's approximation of them.



                                  $$a_n=left(fracprod_i=1^2n (n+i)n^2nright)^frac 1n=left(frac(3n)!n^2n,n!right)^frac 1n$$



                                  $$log(a_n)=frac 1n left(log((3n)!)-log(n!)-2n log(n)right)$$ Now, Stirling's approximation
                                  $$log(p!)=p (log (p)-1)+frac12 left(log (2 pi )+log
                                  left(pright)right)+frac112
                                  p+Oleft(frac1p^3right)$$ Apply it and simplify to get
                                  $$log(a_n)=frac 1n left( (3log (3)-2)n+fraclog (3)2-frac118
                                  n+Oleft(frac1n^3right) right)$$ $$log(a_n)=(3log (3)-2)+fraclog (3)2n-frac118
                                  n^2+Oleft(frac1n^4right) $$ Now, using
                                  $$a_n=e^log(a_n)=frac27 e^2 left(1+fraclog (3)2 nright)+Oleft(frac1n^2right) $$ which shows the limit and how it is approached.






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                                    Just a comment after Lord Shark the Unknown's answer.



                                    When I see things looking like factorials, my first reaction is to think about Stirling's approximation of them.



                                    $$a_n=left(fracprod_i=1^2n (n+i)n^2nright)^frac 1n=left(frac(3n)!n^2n,n!right)^frac 1n$$



                                    $$log(a_n)=frac 1n left(log((3n)!)-log(n!)-2n log(n)right)$$ Now, Stirling's approximation
                                    $$log(p!)=p (log (p)-1)+frac12 left(log (2 pi )+log
                                    left(pright)right)+frac112
                                    p+Oleft(frac1p^3right)$$ Apply it and simplify to get
                                    $$log(a_n)=frac 1n left( (3log (3)-2)n+fraclog (3)2-frac118
                                    n+Oleft(frac1n^3right) right)$$ $$log(a_n)=(3log (3)-2)+fraclog (3)2n-frac118
                                    n^2+Oleft(frac1n^4right) $$ Now, using
                                    $$a_n=e^log(a_n)=frac27 e^2 left(1+fraclog (3)2 nright)+Oleft(frac1n^2right) $$ which shows the limit and how it is approached.






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                                      Just a comment after Lord Shark the Unknown's answer.



                                      When I see things looking like factorials, my first reaction is to think about Stirling's approximation of them.



                                      $$a_n=left(fracprod_i=1^2n (n+i)n^2nright)^frac 1n=left(frac(3n)!n^2n,n!right)^frac 1n$$



                                      $$log(a_n)=frac 1n left(log((3n)!)-log(n!)-2n log(n)right)$$ Now, Stirling's approximation
                                      $$log(p!)=p (log (p)-1)+frac12 left(log (2 pi )+log
                                      left(pright)right)+frac112
                                      p+Oleft(frac1p^3right)$$ Apply it and simplify to get
                                      $$log(a_n)=frac 1n left( (3log (3)-2)n+fraclog (3)2-frac118
                                      n+Oleft(frac1n^3right) right)$$ $$log(a_n)=(3log (3)-2)+fraclog (3)2n-frac118
                                      n^2+Oleft(frac1n^4right) $$ Now, using
                                      $$a_n=e^log(a_n)=frac27 e^2 left(1+fraclog (3)2 nright)+Oleft(frac1n^2right) $$ which shows the limit and how it is approached.






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                                      Just a comment after Lord Shark the Unknown's answer.



                                      When I see things looking like factorials, my first reaction is to think about Stirling's approximation of them.



                                      $$a_n=left(fracprod_i=1^2n (n+i)n^2nright)^frac 1n=left(frac(3n)!n^2n,n!right)^frac 1n$$



                                      $$log(a_n)=frac 1n left(log((3n)!)-log(n!)-2n log(n)right)$$ Now, Stirling's approximation
                                      $$log(p!)=p (log (p)-1)+frac12 left(log (2 pi )+log
                                      left(pright)right)+frac112
                                      p+Oleft(frac1p^3right)$$ Apply it and simplify to get
                                      $$log(a_n)=frac 1n left( (3log (3)-2)n+fraclog (3)2-frac118
                                      n+Oleft(frac1n^3right) right)$$ $$log(a_n)=(3log (3)-2)+fraclog (3)2n-frac118
                                      n^2+Oleft(frac1n^4right) $$ Now, using
                                      $$a_n=e^log(a_n)=frac27 e^2 left(1+fraclog (3)2 nright)+Oleft(frac1n^2right) $$ which shows the limit and how it is approached.







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