Constructing explicit connected path for coefficients of monic polynomials with roots lying in the open left half plane?

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This is a bijection $pi$ between $mathbb C^n$ and the set of monic polynomials of degree $n$ defined by
beginalign*
pi(alpha_n-1, alpha_n-2, dots, alpha_0) = t^n + alpha_n-1 t^n-1 + dots + alpha_0.
endalign*
Let
beginalign*
E = zeta in mathbb C^n: textAll roots of pi(zeta) text have negative real parts.
endalign*
By Vieta's formulas, we know $E$ is connected. Indeed, if we let $Delta = z in mathbb C: textRe(z) < 0$. Then $E$ is the image of $underbraceDelta times Delta times dots times Delta_n text times$ under a continuous function. I am wondering whether it is easy to construct some explicit path. That is, suppose we have $a = (a_n-1, dots, a_0), b= (b_n-1, dots, b_0) in E$, can we construct a continuous path $gamma: [0,1] to E$ with $gamma(0) = a$ and $gamma(1)=b$ explicitly?







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  • It is irritating to begin your question with "Suppose we have a monic polynomial ...". I suggest to do it like that: There is bijection $pi$ between $mathbbC^n$ and the set of monic polynomials of degree $n$ defined by $pi(alpha_n-1,...,alpha_0) = ...$. Then define $E = zeta in mathbbC^n mid textAll roots of pi(zeta) text have a negative real part $. Can you make explicit which continuous function has image $E$?
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  • @PaulFrost: Thanks for your editing suggestion. The function is elementary symmetric functions of the roots given by Vieta's formulas.
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This is a bijection $pi$ between $mathbb C^n$ and the set of monic polynomials of degree $n$ defined by
beginalign*
pi(alpha_n-1, alpha_n-2, dots, alpha_0) = t^n + alpha_n-1 t^n-1 + dots + alpha_0.
endalign*
Let
beginalign*
E = zeta in mathbb C^n: textAll roots of pi(zeta) text have negative real parts.
endalign*
By Vieta's formulas, we know $E$ is connected. Indeed, if we let $Delta = z in mathbb C: textRe(z) < 0$. Then $E$ is the image of $underbraceDelta times Delta times dots times Delta_n text times$ under a continuous function. I am wondering whether it is easy to construct some explicit path. That is, suppose we have $a = (a_n-1, dots, a_0), b= (b_n-1, dots, b_0) in E$, can we construct a continuous path $gamma: [0,1] to E$ with $gamma(0) = a$ and $gamma(1)=b$ explicitly?







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  • It is irritating to begin your question with "Suppose we have a monic polynomial ...". I suggest to do it like that: There is bijection $pi$ between $mathbbC^n$ and the set of monic polynomials of degree $n$ defined by $pi(alpha_n-1,...,alpha_0) = ...$. Then define $E = zeta in mathbbC^n mid textAll roots of pi(zeta) text have a negative real part $. Can you make explicit which continuous function has image $E$?
    – Paul Frost
    Jul 16 at 23:13











  • @PaulFrost: Thanks for your editing suggestion. The function is elementary symmetric functions of the roots given by Vieta's formulas.
    – user9527
    Jul 17 at 4:33












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This is a bijection $pi$ between $mathbb C^n$ and the set of monic polynomials of degree $n$ defined by
beginalign*
pi(alpha_n-1, alpha_n-2, dots, alpha_0) = t^n + alpha_n-1 t^n-1 + dots + alpha_0.
endalign*
Let
beginalign*
E = zeta in mathbb C^n: textAll roots of pi(zeta) text have negative real parts.
endalign*
By Vieta's formulas, we know $E$ is connected. Indeed, if we let $Delta = z in mathbb C: textRe(z) < 0$. Then $E$ is the image of $underbraceDelta times Delta times dots times Delta_n text times$ under a continuous function. I am wondering whether it is easy to construct some explicit path. That is, suppose we have $a = (a_n-1, dots, a_0), b= (b_n-1, dots, b_0) in E$, can we construct a continuous path $gamma: [0,1] to E$ with $gamma(0) = a$ and $gamma(1)=b$ explicitly?







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This is a bijection $pi$ between $mathbb C^n$ and the set of monic polynomials of degree $n$ defined by
beginalign*
pi(alpha_n-1, alpha_n-2, dots, alpha_0) = t^n + alpha_n-1 t^n-1 + dots + alpha_0.
endalign*
Let
beginalign*
E = zeta in mathbb C^n: textAll roots of pi(zeta) text have negative real parts.
endalign*
By Vieta's formulas, we know $E$ is connected. Indeed, if we let $Delta = z in mathbb C: textRe(z) < 0$. Then $E$ is the image of $underbraceDelta times Delta times dots times Delta_n text times$ under a continuous function. I am wondering whether it is easy to construct some explicit path. That is, suppose we have $a = (a_n-1, dots, a_0), b= (b_n-1, dots, b_0) in E$, can we construct a continuous path $gamma: [0,1] to E$ with $gamma(0) = a$ and $gamma(1)=b$ explicitly?









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  • It is irritating to begin your question with "Suppose we have a monic polynomial ...". I suggest to do it like that: There is bijection $pi$ between $mathbbC^n$ and the set of monic polynomials of degree $n$ defined by $pi(alpha_n-1,...,alpha_0) = ...$. Then define $E = zeta in mathbbC^n mid textAll roots of pi(zeta) text have a negative real part $. Can you make explicit which continuous function has image $E$?
    – Paul Frost
    Jul 16 at 23:13











  • @PaulFrost: Thanks for your editing suggestion. The function is elementary symmetric functions of the roots given by Vieta's formulas.
    – user9527
    Jul 17 at 4:33
















  • It is irritating to begin your question with "Suppose we have a monic polynomial ...". I suggest to do it like that: There is bijection $pi$ between $mathbbC^n$ and the set of monic polynomials of degree $n$ defined by $pi(alpha_n-1,...,alpha_0) = ...$. Then define $E = zeta in mathbbC^n mid textAll roots of pi(zeta) text have a negative real part $. Can you make explicit which continuous function has image $E$?
    – Paul Frost
    Jul 16 at 23:13











  • @PaulFrost: Thanks for your editing suggestion. The function is elementary symmetric functions of the roots given by Vieta's formulas.
    – user9527
    Jul 17 at 4:33















It is irritating to begin your question with "Suppose we have a monic polynomial ...". I suggest to do it like that: There is bijection $pi$ between $mathbbC^n$ and the set of monic polynomials of degree $n$ defined by $pi(alpha_n-1,...,alpha_0) = ...$. Then define $E = zeta in mathbbC^n mid textAll roots of pi(zeta) text have a negative real part $. Can you make explicit which continuous function has image $E$?
– Paul Frost
Jul 16 at 23:13





It is irritating to begin your question with "Suppose we have a monic polynomial ...". I suggest to do it like that: There is bijection $pi$ between $mathbbC^n$ and the set of monic polynomials of degree $n$ defined by $pi(alpha_n-1,...,alpha_0) = ...$. Then define $E = zeta in mathbbC^n mid textAll roots of pi(zeta) text have a negative real part $. Can you make explicit which continuous function has image $E$?
– Paul Frost
Jul 16 at 23:13













@PaulFrost: Thanks for your editing suggestion. The function is elementary symmetric functions of the roots given by Vieta's formulas.
– user9527
Jul 17 at 4:33




@PaulFrost: Thanks for your editing suggestion. The function is elementary symmetric functions of the roots given by Vieta's formulas.
– user9527
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If $e_0, e_1, ... ,e_n$ denote the elementary symmetric polynomials in $n$ variables, we get a continuous map
$$sigma : mathbbC^n to mathbbC^n, sigma(zeta) = (-e_1(zeta), e_2(zeta),...,(-1)^n e_n(zeta)) .$$



You may interpret $sigma(zeta)$ as the coefficients of a monic polynomial $p_zeta$ of degree $n$ having as roots the coordinates of $zeta$. In fact, $p_zeta = pi(sigma(zeta))$ where $pi$ was introduced in the question.



We have $E = sigma(Delta^n)$. This means that the set $E$ could alternatively be defined without reference to monic polynomials and their roots. Let $s : Delta^n to E$ denote the restriction.



Now it depends on what you understand by "explicitly construct some path from $a$ to $b$". You find $a', b' in Delta^n$ such that $s(a') = a, s(b') = b$. Define $u : [0,1] to Delta^n, u(t) = (1-t)a' + tb'$. This is a path connecting $a'$ and $b'$, therefore $s circ u$ is a path connecting $a$ and $b$. However, it is not obvious how to find $a',b'$. There is no general method to express $a',b'$ as a function of $a,b$ and in that sense $a',b'$ cannot be made explicit (if you could, you would have a solution formula for polynomials of arbitrary degree $n$ which in fact only exists for $n le 4$).



Let us finally consider the map $sigma$. For each $eta in mathbbC^n$ the inverse image $sigma^-1(eta)$ consists of all $zeta = (z_1,....z_n)$ such that the $ z_1,....z_n $ is the set of all roots of $pi(eta)$. Hence $sigma$ is surjective. Moreover, the symmetric group $S_n$ of $n$ elements operates by permutation of coordinates on $mathbbC^n$; the fibres $sigma^-1(eta)$ agree with the orbits of this operation. Therefore $sigma$ induces a bijection $sigma': mathbbC^n/S_n to mathbbC^n$.



We show that $sigma$ is a closed map. It is known that $max1, lvert a_n-1 rvert, ... , lvert a_0 rvert $ is an upper bound for the abolute values of the roots of $z^n + a_n-1z^n+-1 + ... + a_1z + a_0$. This implies that $sigma^-1(B)$ is bounded if $B$ is bounded. Now let $A subset mathbbC^n$ be closed and $(eta_m)$ be a sequence in $sigma(A)$ converging to some $eta in mathbbC^n$. Then $Y = eta_m mid m in mathbbN $ is bounded, hence $Z = sigma^-1(Y)$ is bounded. Choose $zeta_m in A$ such that $sigma(zeta_m) = eta_n$. Since $zeta_m in Z$, we see that $(zeta_m)$ is a bounded sequence and has a convergent subsequence with limit $zeta$. Since $A$ is closed, $zeta in A$. By continuity of $sigma$ we conclude $eta in sigma(A)$.



This implies that $sigma$ is an identification map. Therefore, if we give $mathbbC^n/S_n$ the quotient topology induced by the canonical quotient function $mathbbC^n to mathbbC^n/S_n$, we see that $sigma'$ is a homeomorphism.






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    If $e_0, e_1, ... ,e_n$ denote the elementary symmetric polynomials in $n$ variables, we get a continuous map
    $$sigma : mathbbC^n to mathbbC^n, sigma(zeta) = (-e_1(zeta), e_2(zeta),...,(-1)^n e_n(zeta)) .$$



    You may interpret $sigma(zeta)$ as the coefficients of a monic polynomial $p_zeta$ of degree $n$ having as roots the coordinates of $zeta$. In fact, $p_zeta = pi(sigma(zeta))$ where $pi$ was introduced in the question.



    We have $E = sigma(Delta^n)$. This means that the set $E$ could alternatively be defined without reference to monic polynomials and their roots. Let $s : Delta^n to E$ denote the restriction.



    Now it depends on what you understand by "explicitly construct some path from $a$ to $b$". You find $a', b' in Delta^n$ such that $s(a') = a, s(b') = b$. Define $u : [0,1] to Delta^n, u(t) = (1-t)a' + tb'$. This is a path connecting $a'$ and $b'$, therefore $s circ u$ is a path connecting $a$ and $b$. However, it is not obvious how to find $a',b'$. There is no general method to express $a',b'$ as a function of $a,b$ and in that sense $a',b'$ cannot be made explicit (if you could, you would have a solution formula for polynomials of arbitrary degree $n$ which in fact only exists for $n le 4$).



    Let us finally consider the map $sigma$. For each $eta in mathbbC^n$ the inverse image $sigma^-1(eta)$ consists of all $zeta = (z_1,....z_n)$ such that the $ z_1,....z_n $ is the set of all roots of $pi(eta)$. Hence $sigma$ is surjective. Moreover, the symmetric group $S_n$ of $n$ elements operates by permutation of coordinates on $mathbbC^n$; the fibres $sigma^-1(eta)$ agree with the orbits of this operation. Therefore $sigma$ induces a bijection $sigma': mathbbC^n/S_n to mathbbC^n$.



    We show that $sigma$ is a closed map. It is known that $max1, lvert a_n-1 rvert, ... , lvert a_0 rvert $ is an upper bound for the abolute values of the roots of $z^n + a_n-1z^n+-1 + ... + a_1z + a_0$. This implies that $sigma^-1(B)$ is bounded if $B$ is bounded. Now let $A subset mathbbC^n$ be closed and $(eta_m)$ be a sequence in $sigma(A)$ converging to some $eta in mathbbC^n$. Then $Y = eta_m mid m in mathbbN $ is bounded, hence $Z = sigma^-1(Y)$ is bounded. Choose $zeta_m in A$ such that $sigma(zeta_m) = eta_n$. Since $zeta_m in Z$, we see that $(zeta_m)$ is a bounded sequence and has a convergent subsequence with limit $zeta$. Since $A$ is closed, $zeta in A$. By continuity of $sigma$ we conclude $eta in sigma(A)$.



    This implies that $sigma$ is an identification map. Therefore, if we give $mathbbC^n/S_n$ the quotient topology induced by the canonical quotient function $mathbbC^n to mathbbC^n/S_n$, we see that $sigma'$ is a homeomorphism.






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      If $e_0, e_1, ... ,e_n$ denote the elementary symmetric polynomials in $n$ variables, we get a continuous map
      $$sigma : mathbbC^n to mathbbC^n, sigma(zeta) = (-e_1(zeta), e_2(zeta),...,(-1)^n e_n(zeta)) .$$



      You may interpret $sigma(zeta)$ as the coefficients of a monic polynomial $p_zeta$ of degree $n$ having as roots the coordinates of $zeta$. In fact, $p_zeta = pi(sigma(zeta))$ where $pi$ was introduced in the question.



      We have $E = sigma(Delta^n)$. This means that the set $E$ could alternatively be defined without reference to monic polynomials and their roots. Let $s : Delta^n to E$ denote the restriction.



      Now it depends on what you understand by "explicitly construct some path from $a$ to $b$". You find $a', b' in Delta^n$ such that $s(a') = a, s(b') = b$. Define $u : [0,1] to Delta^n, u(t) = (1-t)a' + tb'$. This is a path connecting $a'$ and $b'$, therefore $s circ u$ is a path connecting $a$ and $b$. However, it is not obvious how to find $a',b'$. There is no general method to express $a',b'$ as a function of $a,b$ and in that sense $a',b'$ cannot be made explicit (if you could, you would have a solution formula for polynomials of arbitrary degree $n$ which in fact only exists for $n le 4$).



      Let us finally consider the map $sigma$. For each $eta in mathbbC^n$ the inverse image $sigma^-1(eta)$ consists of all $zeta = (z_1,....z_n)$ such that the $ z_1,....z_n $ is the set of all roots of $pi(eta)$. Hence $sigma$ is surjective. Moreover, the symmetric group $S_n$ of $n$ elements operates by permutation of coordinates on $mathbbC^n$; the fibres $sigma^-1(eta)$ agree with the orbits of this operation. Therefore $sigma$ induces a bijection $sigma': mathbbC^n/S_n to mathbbC^n$.



      We show that $sigma$ is a closed map. It is known that $max1, lvert a_n-1 rvert, ... , lvert a_0 rvert $ is an upper bound for the abolute values of the roots of $z^n + a_n-1z^n+-1 + ... + a_1z + a_0$. This implies that $sigma^-1(B)$ is bounded if $B$ is bounded. Now let $A subset mathbbC^n$ be closed and $(eta_m)$ be a sequence in $sigma(A)$ converging to some $eta in mathbbC^n$. Then $Y = eta_m mid m in mathbbN $ is bounded, hence $Z = sigma^-1(Y)$ is bounded. Choose $zeta_m in A$ such that $sigma(zeta_m) = eta_n$. Since $zeta_m in Z$, we see that $(zeta_m)$ is a bounded sequence and has a convergent subsequence with limit $zeta$. Since $A$ is closed, $zeta in A$. By continuity of $sigma$ we conclude $eta in sigma(A)$.



      This implies that $sigma$ is an identification map. Therefore, if we give $mathbbC^n/S_n$ the quotient topology induced by the canonical quotient function $mathbbC^n to mathbbC^n/S_n$, we see that $sigma'$ is a homeomorphism.






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        If $e_0, e_1, ... ,e_n$ denote the elementary symmetric polynomials in $n$ variables, we get a continuous map
        $$sigma : mathbbC^n to mathbbC^n, sigma(zeta) = (-e_1(zeta), e_2(zeta),...,(-1)^n e_n(zeta)) .$$



        You may interpret $sigma(zeta)$ as the coefficients of a monic polynomial $p_zeta$ of degree $n$ having as roots the coordinates of $zeta$. In fact, $p_zeta = pi(sigma(zeta))$ where $pi$ was introduced in the question.



        We have $E = sigma(Delta^n)$. This means that the set $E$ could alternatively be defined without reference to monic polynomials and their roots. Let $s : Delta^n to E$ denote the restriction.



        Now it depends on what you understand by "explicitly construct some path from $a$ to $b$". You find $a', b' in Delta^n$ such that $s(a') = a, s(b') = b$. Define $u : [0,1] to Delta^n, u(t) = (1-t)a' + tb'$. This is a path connecting $a'$ and $b'$, therefore $s circ u$ is a path connecting $a$ and $b$. However, it is not obvious how to find $a',b'$. There is no general method to express $a',b'$ as a function of $a,b$ and in that sense $a',b'$ cannot be made explicit (if you could, you would have a solution formula for polynomials of arbitrary degree $n$ which in fact only exists for $n le 4$).



        Let us finally consider the map $sigma$. For each $eta in mathbbC^n$ the inverse image $sigma^-1(eta)$ consists of all $zeta = (z_1,....z_n)$ such that the $ z_1,....z_n $ is the set of all roots of $pi(eta)$. Hence $sigma$ is surjective. Moreover, the symmetric group $S_n$ of $n$ elements operates by permutation of coordinates on $mathbbC^n$; the fibres $sigma^-1(eta)$ agree with the orbits of this operation. Therefore $sigma$ induces a bijection $sigma': mathbbC^n/S_n to mathbbC^n$.



        We show that $sigma$ is a closed map. It is known that $max1, lvert a_n-1 rvert, ... , lvert a_0 rvert $ is an upper bound for the abolute values of the roots of $z^n + a_n-1z^n+-1 + ... + a_1z + a_0$. This implies that $sigma^-1(B)$ is bounded if $B$ is bounded. Now let $A subset mathbbC^n$ be closed and $(eta_m)$ be a sequence in $sigma(A)$ converging to some $eta in mathbbC^n$. Then $Y = eta_m mid m in mathbbN $ is bounded, hence $Z = sigma^-1(Y)$ is bounded. Choose $zeta_m in A$ such that $sigma(zeta_m) = eta_n$. Since $zeta_m in Z$, we see that $(zeta_m)$ is a bounded sequence and has a convergent subsequence with limit $zeta$. Since $A$ is closed, $zeta in A$. By continuity of $sigma$ we conclude $eta in sigma(A)$.



        This implies that $sigma$ is an identification map. Therefore, if we give $mathbbC^n/S_n$ the quotient topology induced by the canonical quotient function $mathbbC^n to mathbbC^n/S_n$, we see that $sigma'$ is a homeomorphism.






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        If $e_0, e_1, ... ,e_n$ denote the elementary symmetric polynomials in $n$ variables, we get a continuous map
        $$sigma : mathbbC^n to mathbbC^n, sigma(zeta) = (-e_1(zeta), e_2(zeta),...,(-1)^n e_n(zeta)) .$$



        You may interpret $sigma(zeta)$ as the coefficients of a monic polynomial $p_zeta$ of degree $n$ having as roots the coordinates of $zeta$. In fact, $p_zeta = pi(sigma(zeta))$ where $pi$ was introduced in the question.



        We have $E = sigma(Delta^n)$. This means that the set $E$ could alternatively be defined without reference to monic polynomials and their roots. Let $s : Delta^n to E$ denote the restriction.



        Now it depends on what you understand by "explicitly construct some path from $a$ to $b$". You find $a', b' in Delta^n$ such that $s(a') = a, s(b') = b$. Define $u : [0,1] to Delta^n, u(t) = (1-t)a' + tb'$. This is a path connecting $a'$ and $b'$, therefore $s circ u$ is a path connecting $a$ and $b$. However, it is not obvious how to find $a',b'$. There is no general method to express $a',b'$ as a function of $a,b$ and in that sense $a',b'$ cannot be made explicit (if you could, you would have a solution formula for polynomials of arbitrary degree $n$ which in fact only exists for $n le 4$).



        Let us finally consider the map $sigma$. For each $eta in mathbbC^n$ the inverse image $sigma^-1(eta)$ consists of all $zeta = (z_1,....z_n)$ such that the $ z_1,....z_n $ is the set of all roots of $pi(eta)$. Hence $sigma$ is surjective. Moreover, the symmetric group $S_n$ of $n$ elements operates by permutation of coordinates on $mathbbC^n$; the fibres $sigma^-1(eta)$ agree with the orbits of this operation. Therefore $sigma$ induces a bijection $sigma': mathbbC^n/S_n to mathbbC^n$.



        We show that $sigma$ is a closed map. It is known that $max1, lvert a_n-1 rvert, ... , lvert a_0 rvert $ is an upper bound for the abolute values of the roots of $z^n + a_n-1z^n+-1 + ... + a_1z + a_0$. This implies that $sigma^-1(B)$ is bounded if $B$ is bounded. Now let $A subset mathbbC^n$ be closed and $(eta_m)$ be a sequence in $sigma(A)$ converging to some $eta in mathbbC^n$. Then $Y = eta_m mid m in mathbbN $ is bounded, hence $Z = sigma^-1(Y)$ is bounded. Choose $zeta_m in A$ such that $sigma(zeta_m) = eta_n$. Since $zeta_m in Z$, we see that $(zeta_m)$ is a bounded sequence and has a convergent subsequence with limit $zeta$. Since $A$ is closed, $zeta in A$. By continuity of $sigma$ we conclude $eta in sigma(A)$.



        This implies that $sigma$ is an identification map. Therefore, if we give $mathbbC^n/S_n$ the quotient topology induced by the canonical quotient function $mathbbC^n to mathbbC^n/S_n$, we see that $sigma'$ is a homeomorphism.







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