Mixing
Displace $3$D vertices along a $2$ dimension plane using normals
Clash Royale CLAN TAG#URR8PPP
up vote
-1
down vote
favorite
I have this one triangle with arbitrary vertices positioned in a 3D space.
It's also easy to find the normal for it with the plane equation.
There is a very simple method for moving the vertices away from the centroid, but that is too linear. I can only move the vertices back and forth.
What is the formula that I need to be able to freely move the existing vertices (independently) or even new ones in a pseudo X/Y axis that is formed from the projection of the triangle normal?
I'm not a math guy so I ask you kindly to be detailed (specially when it comes to matrices).
matrices geometry 3d
asked Jul 18 at 22:56
Alexandre Severino
1014
add a comment |Â
up vote
-1
down vote
favorite
I have this one triangle with arbitrary vertices positioned in a 3D space.
It's also easy to find the normal for it with the plane equation.
There is a very simple method for moving the vertices away from the centroid, but that is too linear. I can only move the vertices back and forth.
What is the formula that I need to be able to freely move the existing vertices (independently) or even new ones in a pseudo X/Y axis that is formed from the projection of the triangle normal?
I'm not a math guy so I ask you kindly to be detailed (specially when it comes to matrices).
matrices geometry 3d
asked Jul 18 at 22:56
Alexandre Severino
1014
do you mean to move it rigidly (as a rigid body) in its plane ?
– G Cab
Jul 18 at 23:03
Are you basically looking for a way to generate other points in the plane of the triangle?
– amd
Jul 18 at 23:24
I want to move the existing points. But being able to generate new ones in the same plane is pretty much the same solution. The only difference is that the former is "delete" from here and "add" there, while the latter is only the "add" part.
– Alexandre Severino
Jul 18 at 23:27
add a comment |Â
up vote
-1
down vote
favorite
up vote
-1
down vote
favorite
I have this one triangle with arbitrary vertices positioned in a 3D space.
It's also easy to find the normal for it with the plane equation.
There is a very simple method for moving the vertices away from the centroid, but that is too linear. I can only move the vertices back and forth.
What is the formula that I need to be able to freely move the existing vertices (independently) or even new ones in a pseudo X/Y axis that is formed from the projection of the triangle normal?
I'm not a math guy so I ask you kindly to be detailed (specially when it comes to matrices).
matrices geometry 3d
asked Jul 18 at 22:56
Alexandre Severino
1014
I have this one triangle with arbitrary vertices positioned in a 3D space.
It's also easy to find the normal for it with the plane equation.
There is a very simple method for moving the vertices away from the centroid, but that is too linear. I can only move the vertices back and forth.
What is the formula that I need to be able to freely move the existing vertices (independently) or even new ones in a pseudo X/Y axis that is formed from the projection of the triangle normal?
I'm not a math guy so I ask you kindly to be detailed (specially when it comes to matrices).
matrices geometry 3d
asked Jul 18 at 22:56
Alexandre Severino
1014
edited Jul 18 at 23:45
asked Jul 18 at 22:56
Alexandre Severino
1014
asked Jul 18 at 22:56
Alexandre Severino
1014
asked Jul 18 at 22:56
Alexandre Severino
1014
1014
do you mean to move it rigidly (as a rigid body) in its plane ?
– G Cab
Jul 18 at 23:03
Are you basically looking for a way to generate other points in the plane of the triangle?
– amd
Jul 18 at 23:24
I want to move the existing points. But being able to generate new ones in the same plane is pretty much the same solution. The only difference is that the former is "delete" from here and "add" there, while the latter is only the "add" part.
– Alexandre Severino
Jul 18 at 23:27
add a comment |Â
do you mean to move it rigidly (as a rigid body) in its plane ?
– G Cab
Jul 18 at 23:03
Are you basically looking for a way to generate other points in the plane of the triangle?
– amd
Jul 18 at 23:24
I want to move the existing points. But being able to generate new ones in the same plane is pretty much the same solution. The only difference is that the former is "delete" from here and "add" there, while the latter is only the "add" part.
– Alexandre Severino
Jul 18 at 23:27
do you mean to move it rigidly (as a rigid body) in its plane ?
– G Cab
Jul 18 at 23:03
do you mean to move it rigidly (as a rigid body) in its plane ?
– G Cab
Jul 18 at 23:03
Are you basically looking for a way to generate other points in the plane of the triangle?
– amd
Jul 18 at 23:24
Are you basically looking for a way to generate other points in the plane of the triangle?
– amd
Jul 18 at 23:24
I want to move the existing points. But being able to generate new ones in the same plane is pretty much the same solution. The only difference is that the former is "delete" from here and "add" there, while the latter is only the "add" part.
– Alexandre Severino
Jul 18 at 23:27
I want to move the existing points. But being able to generate new ones in the same plane is pretty much the same solution. The only difference is that the former is "delete" from here and "add" there, while the latter is only the "add" part.
– Alexandre Severino
Jul 18 at 23:27
add a comment |Â
2 Answers
2
active
oldest
votes
up vote
2
down vote
accepted
Label the three vertices $A$, $B$ and $C$. Assuming that they’re not colinear, every point on their common plane can be expressed in the form $A+lambda(B-A)+mu(C-A)$ for $lambda, mu in mathbb R$. Essentially, the vertex $A$ and the direction vectors $B-A$ and $C-A$ define a coordinate system $(lambda,mu)$ for the plane. The three points have coordinates $(0,0)$, $(1,0)$ and $(0,1)$, respectively. If you want to move a point parallel to $B-A$, adjust its $lambda$-coordinate; to move it parallel to $C-A$, adjust its $mu$-coordinate.
Depending on what you want to do, you might find an orthonormal coordinate system more convenient. A simple choice is to set $mathbf u$ to $B-A$, normalized, and $mathbf v$ to $((B-A)times(C-A))times(B-A)$, also normalized. Just as above, every point on the plane can then be expressed in the form $A+smathbf u+tmathbf v$, but now the coordinates $s$ and $t$ are equal to the actual distances from $A$ in the $mathbf u$ and $mathbf v$ directions.
You can, of course, choose any of the three points to be the origin of these coordinate systems, and use the two resulting direction vectors in either order.
answered Jul 19 at 0:34
amd
25.9k2943
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
If you mean to move it as a rigid body in the plane where it initially lays, having a unit normal vector $bf n$, then
add to all vertices a same displacement vector $bf d$, which is normal to $bf n$;
take a rotation center point $bf c$ on the plane (could be the centroid or one of the vertices, or ..), and take a rotation angle $alpha$, multiply $bf n$ by that, and add the cross product $ alpha bf n times (bf v_k- bf c)$ to each vertex $bf v_k$.
If, instead, as you commented, you want to move the vertices freely in the plane, then just add different displacement vectors $bf d_k$ to each vertex. The vectors $bf d_k$ shall be parallel to the plane, i.e. normal to $bf n$.
To do that you will need to construct a new (orthogonal) basis having $n$ as one of the axis (as the new z, for example).
But, since you already have the triangle, you can go with a basis that is constituted, e.g. by $bf a= (bf v_2-bf v_1)$, $bf b =(bf v_3-bf v_1 )$, and $bf n$.
Then $bf v_k=mu_k bf a + lambda_k bf b$.
answered Jul 18 at 23:14
G Cab
15.1k31136
I like that and will use for future reference, but it doesn't answer my question. I want to freely move any vertices, or even add a new vertex to the same plane. I'll edit my question.
– Alexandre Severino
Jul 18 at 23:21
Why would I use an arbitrary rotation angle when I want to move the points in a $2$D fashion? I mean... I need to keep the points in a plane that is 90 degrees with the normal vector.
– Alexandre Severino
Jul 18 at 23:25
@AlexandreSeverino: added in answer
– G Cab
Jul 19 at 0:09
Will try and let you know.
– Alexandre Severino
Jul 19 at 0:22
Say I know I want to move this vertex 5 on the pseudo X axis and 3 on the pseudo Y axis, how do I translate that so it's parallel to the plane?
– Alexandre Severino
Jul 19 at 0:33
 |Â
show 1 more comment
2 Answers
2
active
oldest
votes
2 Answers
2
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
up vote
2
down vote
accepted
Label the three vertices $A$, $B$ and $C$. Assuming that they’re not colinear, every point on their common plane can be expressed in the form $A+lambda(B-A)+mu(C-A)$ for $lambda, mu in mathbb R$. Essentially, the vertex $A$ and the direction vectors $B-A$ and $C-A$ define a coordinate system $(lambda,mu)$ for the plane. The three points have coordinates $(0,0)$, $(1,0)$ and $(0,1)$, respectively. If you want to move a point parallel to $B-A$, adjust its $lambda$-coordinate; to move it parallel to $C-A$, adjust its $mu$-coordinate.
Depending on what you want to do, you might find an orthonormal coordinate system more convenient. A simple choice is to set $mathbf u$ to $B-A$, normalized, and $mathbf v$ to $((B-A)times(C-A))times(B-A)$, also normalized. Just as above, every point on the plane can then be expressed in the form $A+smathbf u+tmathbf v$, but now the coordinates $s$ and $t$ are equal to the actual distances from $A$ in the $mathbf u$ and $mathbf v$ directions.
You can, of course, choose any of the three points to be the origin of these coordinate systems, and use the two resulting direction vectors in either order.
answered Jul 19 at 0:34
amd
25.9k2943
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
accepted
Label the three vertices $A$, $B$ and $C$. Assuming that they’re not colinear, every point on their common plane can be expressed in the form $A+lambda(B-A)+mu(C-A)$ for $lambda, mu in mathbb R$. Essentially, the vertex $A$ and the direction vectors $B-A$ and $C-A$ define a coordinate system $(lambda,mu)$ for the plane. The three points have coordinates $(0,0)$, $(1,0)$ and $(0,1)$, respectively. If you want to move a point parallel to $B-A$, adjust its $lambda$-coordinate; to move it parallel to $C-A$, adjust its $mu$-coordinate.
Depending on what you want to do, you might find an orthonormal coordinate system more convenient. A simple choice is to set $mathbf u$ to $B-A$, normalized, and $mathbf v$ to $((B-A)times(C-A))times(B-A)$, also normalized. Just as above, every point on the plane can then be expressed in the form $A+smathbf u+tmathbf v$, but now the coordinates $s$ and $t$ are equal to the actual distances from $A$ in the $mathbf u$ and $mathbf v$ directions.
You can, of course, choose any of the three points to be the origin of these coordinate systems, and use the two resulting direction vectors in either order.
answered Jul 19 at 0:34
amd
25.9k2943
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
accepted
up vote
2
down vote
accepted
Label the three vertices $A$, $B$ and $C$. Assuming that they’re not colinear, every point on their common plane can be expressed in the form $A+lambda(B-A)+mu(C-A)$ for $lambda, mu in mathbb R$. Essentially, the vertex $A$ and the direction vectors $B-A$ and $C-A$ define a coordinate system $(lambda,mu)$ for the plane. The three points have coordinates $(0,0)$, $(1,0)$ and $(0,1)$, respectively. If you want to move a point parallel to $B-A$, adjust its $lambda$-coordinate; to move it parallel to $C-A$, adjust its $mu$-coordinate.
Depending on what you want to do, you might find an orthonormal coordinate system more convenient. A simple choice is to set $mathbf u$ to $B-A$, normalized, and $mathbf v$ to $((B-A)times(C-A))times(B-A)$, also normalized. Just as above, every point on the plane can then be expressed in the form $A+smathbf u+tmathbf v$, but now the coordinates $s$ and $t$ are equal to the actual distances from $A$ in the $mathbf u$ and $mathbf v$ directions.
You can, of course, choose any of the three points to be the origin of these coordinate systems, and use the two resulting direction vectors in either order.
answered Jul 19 at 0:34
amd
25.9k2943
Label the three vertices $A$, $B$ and $C$. Assuming that they’re not colinear, every point on their common plane can be expressed in the form $A+lambda(B-A)+mu(C-A)$ for $lambda, mu in mathbb R$. Essentially, the vertex $A$ and the direction vectors $B-A$ and $C-A$ define a coordinate system $(lambda,mu)$ for the plane. The three points have coordinates $(0,0)$, $(1,0)$ and $(0,1)$, respectively. If you want to move a point parallel to $B-A$, adjust its $lambda$-coordinate; to move it parallel to $C-A$, adjust its $mu$-coordinate.
Depending on what you want to do, you might find an orthonormal coordinate system more convenient. A simple choice is to set $mathbf u$ to $B-A$, normalized, and $mathbf v$ to $((B-A)times(C-A))times(B-A)$, also normalized. Just as above, every point on the plane can then be expressed in the form $A+smathbf u+tmathbf v$, but now the coordinates $s$ and $t$ are equal to the actual distances from $A$ in the $mathbf u$ and $mathbf v$ directions.
You can, of course, choose any of the three points to be the origin of these coordinate systems, and use the two resulting direction vectors in either order.
answered Jul 19 at 0:34
amd
25.9k2943
answered Jul 19 at 0:34
amd
25.9k2943
answered Jul 19 at 0:34
amd
25.9k2943
answered Jul 19 at 0:34
amd
25.9k2943
25.9k2943
add a comment |Â
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
If you mean to move it as a rigid body in the plane where it initially lays, having a unit normal vector $bf n$, then
add to all vertices a same displacement vector $bf d$, which is normal to $bf n$;
take a rotation center point $bf c$ on the plane (could be the centroid or one of the vertices, or ..), and take a rotation angle $alpha$, multiply $bf n$ by that, and add the cross product $ alpha bf n times (bf v_k- bf c)$ to each vertex $bf v_k$.
If, instead, as you commented, you want to move the vertices freely in the plane, then just add different displacement vectors $bf d_k$ to each vertex. The vectors $bf d_k$ shall be parallel to the plane, i.e. normal to $bf n$.
To do that you will need to construct a new (orthogonal) basis having $n$ as one of the axis (as the new z, for example).
But, since you already have the triangle, you can go with a basis that is constituted, e.g. by $bf a= (bf v_2-bf v_1)$, $bf b =(bf v_3-bf v_1 )$, and $bf n$.
Then $bf v_k=mu_k bf a + lambda_k bf b$.
answered Jul 18 at 23:14
G Cab
15.1k31136
I like that and will use for future reference, but it doesn't answer my question. I want to freely move any vertices, or even add a new vertex to the same plane. I'll edit my question.
– Alexandre Severino
Jul 18 at 23:21
Why would I use an arbitrary rotation angle when I want to move the points in a $2$D fashion? I mean... I need to keep the points in a plane that is 90 degrees with the normal vector.
– Alexandre Severino
Jul 18 at 23:25
@AlexandreSeverino: added in answer
– G Cab
Jul 19 at 0:09
Will try and let you know.
– Alexandre Severino
Jul 19 at 0:22
Say I know I want to move this vertex 5 on the pseudo X axis and 3 on the pseudo Y axis, how do I translate that so it's parallel to the plane?
– Alexandre Severino
Jul 19 at 0:33
 |Â
show 1 more comment
up vote
2
down vote
If you mean to move it as a rigid body in the plane where it initially lays, having a unit normal vector $bf n$, then
add to all vertices a same displacement vector $bf d$, which is normal to $bf n$;
take a rotation center point $bf c$ on the plane (could be the centroid or one of the vertices, or ..), and take a rotation angle $alpha$, multiply $bf n$ by that, and add the cross product $ alpha bf n times (bf v_k- bf c)$ to each vertex $bf v_k$.
If, instead, as you commented, you want to move the vertices freely in the plane, then just add different displacement vectors $bf d_k$ to each vertex. The vectors $bf d_k$ shall be parallel to the plane, i.e. normal to $bf n$.
To do that you will need to construct a new (orthogonal) basis having $n$ as one of the axis (as the new z, for example).
But, since you already have the triangle, you can go with a basis that is constituted, e.g. by $bf a= (bf v_2-bf v_1)$, $bf b =(bf v_3-bf v_1 )$, and $bf n$.
Then $bf v_k=mu_k bf a + lambda_k bf b$.
answered Jul 18 at 23:14
G Cab
15.1k31136
I like that and will use for future reference, but it doesn't answer my question. I want to freely move any vertices, or even add a new vertex to the same plane. I'll edit my question.
– Alexandre Severino
Jul 18 at 23:21
Why would I use an arbitrary rotation angle when I want to move the points in a $2$D fashion? I mean... I need to keep the points in a plane that is 90 degrees with the normal vector.
– Alexandre Severino
Jul 18 at 23:25
@AlexandreSeverino: added in answer
– G Cab
Jul 19 at 0:09
Will try and let you know.
– Alexandre Severino
Jul 19 at 0:22
Say I know I want to move this vertex 5 on the pseudo X axis and 3 on the pseudo Y axis, how do I translate that so it's parallel to the plane?
– Alexandre Severino
Jul 19 at 0:33
 |Â
show 1 more comment
up vote
2
down vote
up vote
2
down vote
If you mean to move it as a rigid body in the plane where it initially lays, having a unit normal vector $bf n$, then
add to all vertices a same displacement vector $bf d$, which is normal to $bf n$;
take a rotation center point $bf c$ on the plane (could be the centroid or one of the vertices, or ..), and take a rotation angle $alpha$, multiply $bf n$ by that, and add the cross product $ alpha bf n times (bf v_k- bf c)$ to each vertex $bf v_k$.
If, instead, as you commented, you want to move the vertices freely in the plane, then just add different displacement vectors $bf d_k$ to each vertex. The vectors $bf d_k$ shall be parallel to the plane, i.e. normal to $bf n$.
To do that you will need to construct a new (orthogonal) basis having $n$ as one of the axis (as the new z, for example).
But, since you already have the triangle, you can go with a basis that is constituted, e.g. by $bf a= (bf v_2-bf v_1)$, $bf b =(bf v_3-bf v_1 )$, and $bf n$.
Then $bf v_k=mu_k bf a + lambda_k bf b$.
answered Jul 18 at 23:14
G Cab
15.1k31136
If you mean to move it as a rigid body in the plane where it initially lays, having a unit normal vector $bf n$, then
add to all vertices a same displacement vector $bf d$, which is normal to $bf n$;
take a rotation center point $bf c$ on the plane (could be the centroid or one of the vertices, or ..), and take a rotation angle $alpha$, multiply $bf n$ by that, and add the cross product $ alpha bf n times (bf v_k- bf c)$ to each vertex $bf v_k$.
If, instead, as you commented, you want to move the vertices freely in the plane, then just add different displacement vectors $bf d_k$ to each vertex. The vectors $bf d_k$ shall be parallel to the plane, i.e. normal to $bf n$.
To do that you will need to construct a new (orthogonal) basis having $n$ as one of the axis (as the new z, for example).
But, since you already have the triangle, you can go with a basis that is constituted, e.g. by $bf a= (bf v_2-bf v_1)$, $bf b =(bf v_3-bf v_1 )$, and $bf n$.
Then $bf v_k=mu_k bf a + lambda_k bf b$.
answered Jul 18 at 23:14
G Cab
15.1k31136
edited Jul 19 at 0:09
answered Jul 18 at 23:14
G Cab
15.1k31136
answered Jul 18 at 23:14
G Cab
15.1k31136
answered Jul 18 at 23:14
G Cab
15.1k31136
15.1k31136
I like that and will use for future reference, but it doesn't answer my question. I want to freely move any vertices, or even add a new vertex to the same plane. I'll edit my question.
– Alexandre Severino
Jul 18 at 23:21
Why would I use an arbitrary rotation angle when I want to move the points in a $2$D fashion? I mean... I need to keep the points in a plane that is 90 degrees with the normal vector.
– Alexandre Severino
Jul 18 at 23:25
@AlexandreSeverino: added in answer
– G Cab
Jul 19 at 0:09
Will try and let you know.
– Alexandre Severino
Jul 19 at 0:22
Say I know I want to move this vertex 5 on the pseudo X axis and 3 on the pseudo Y axis, how do I translate that so it's parallel to the plane?
– Alexandre Severino
Jul 19 at 0:33
 |Â
show 1 more comment
I like that and will use for future reference, but it doesn't answer my question. I want to freely move any vertices, or even add a new vertex to the same plane. I'll edit my question.
– Alexandre Severino
Jul 18 at 23:21
Why would I use an arbitrary rotation angle when I want to move the points in a $2$D fashion? I mean... I need to keep the points in a plane that is 90 degrees with the normal vector.
– Alexandre Severino
Jul 18 at 23:25
@AlexandreSeverino: added in answer
– G Cab
Jul 19 at 0:09
Will try and let you know.
– Alexandre Severino
Jul 19 at 0:22
Say I know I want to move this vertex 5 on the pseudo X axis and 3 on the pseudo Y axis, how do I translate that so it's parallel to the plane?
– Alexandre Severino
Jul 19 at 0:33
I like that and will use for future reference, but it doesn't answer my question. I want to freely move any vertices, or even add a new vertex to the same plane. I'll edit my question.
– Alexandre Severino
Jul 18 at 23:21
I like that and will use for future reference, but it doesn't answer my question. I want to freely move any vertices, or even add a new vertex to the same plane. I'll edit my question.
– Alexandre Severino
Jul 18 at 23:21
Why would I use an arbitrary rotation angle when I want to move the points in a $2$D fashion? I mean... I need to keep the points in a plane that is 90 degrees with the normal vector.
– Alexandre Severino
Jul 18 at 23:25
Why would I use an arbitrary rotation angle when I want to move the points in a $2$D fashion? I mean... I need to keep the points in a plane that is 90 degrees with the normal vector.
– Alexandre Severino
Jul 18 at 23:25
@AlexandreSeverino: added in answer
– G Cab
Jul 19 at 0:09
@AlexandreSeverino: added in answer
– G Cab
Jul 19 at 0:09
Will try and let you know.
– Alexandre Severino
Jul 19 at 0:22
Will try and let you know.
– Alexandre Severino
Jul 19 at 0:22
Say I know I want to move this vertex 5 on the pseudo X axis and 3 on the pseudo Y axis, how do I translate that so it's parallel to the plane?
– Alexandre Severino
Jul 19 at 0:33
Say I know I want to move this vertex 5 on the pseudo X axis and 3 on the pseudo Y axis, how do I translate that so it's parallel to the plane?
– Alexandre Severino
Jul 19 at 0:33
 |Â
show 1 more comment
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmath.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f2856097%2fdisplace-3d-vertices-along-a-2-dimension-plane-using-normals%23new-answer', 'question_page');
);
Post as a guest
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
do you mean to move it rigidly (as a rigid body) in its plane ?
– G Cab
Jul 18 at 23:03
Are you basically looking for a way to generate other points in the plane of the triangle?
– amd
Jul 18 at 23:24
I want to move the existing points. But being able to generate new ones in the same plane is pretty much the same solution. The only difference is that the former is "delete" from here and "add" there, while the latter is only the "add" part.
– Alexandre Severino
Jul 18 at 23:27