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I am interested in calculating the following double summation:



$sum_n=2^ infty sum_k =0^n-2frac14^k frac12^n-k-2$



I don't really know where to start, so I was hoping someone could point me to some resource where I could learn the terminology/methodology associated with solving such problems.



The summation arose when trying to describe the probability of never reaching a certain state in a finite markov chain. I really was just inquiring about the algebra which is why I didn't provide the context previously.







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  • The summation arose when trying to describe the probability of never reaching a certain state in a finite markov chain. I really was just inquiring about the algebra which is why I didn't provide the context. I will make sure to do so in the future.
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I am interested in calculating the following double summation:



$sum_n=2^ infty sum_k =0^n-2frac14^k frac12^n-k-2$



I don't really know where to start, so I was hoping someone could point me to some resource where I could learn the terminology/methodology associated with solving such problems.



The summation arose when trying to describe the probability of never reaching a certain state in a finite markov chain. I really was just inquiring about the algebra which is why I didn't provide the context previously.







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  • The summation arose when trying to describe the probability of never reaching a certain state in a finite markov chain. I really was just inquiring about the algebra which is why I didn't provide the context. I will make sure to do so in the future.
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I am interested in calculating the following double summation:



$sum_n=2^ infty sum_k =0^n-2frac14^k frac12^n-k-2$



I don't really know where to start, so I was hoping someone could point me to some resource where I could learn the terminology/methodology associated with solving such problems.



The summation arose when trying to describe the probability of never reaching a certain state in a finite markov chain. I really was just inquiring about the algebra which is why I didn't provide the context previously.







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I am interested in calculating the following double summation:



$sum_n=2^ infty sum_k =0^n-2frac14^k frac12^n-k-2$



I don't really know where to start, so I was hoping someone could point me to some resource where I could learn the terminology/methodology associated with solving such problems.



The summation arose when trying to describe the probability of never reaching a certain state in a finite markov chain. I really was just inquiring about the algebra which is why I didn't provide the context previously.









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  • The summation arose when trying to describe the probability of never reaching a certain state in a finite markov chain. I really was just inquiring about the algebra which is why I didn't provide the context. I will make sure to do so in the future.
    – Filip
    Jul 31 at 2:13










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  • The summation arose when trying to describe the probability of never reaching a certain state in a finite markov chain. I really was just inquiring about the algebra which is why I didn't provide the context. I will make sure to do so in the future.
    – Filip
    Jul 31 at 2:13










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The summation arose when trying to describe the probability of never reaching a certain state in a finite markov chain. I really was just inquiring about the algebra which is why I didn't provide the context. I will make sure to do so in the future.
– Filip
Jul 31 at 2:13




The summation arose when trying to describe the probability of never reaching a certain state in a finite markov chain. I really was just inquiring about the algebra which is why I didn't provide the context. I will make sure to do so in the future.
– Filip
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I have added the comment as context to your question. Thank you for doing this in the future.
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$$
beginalign
sum_n=2^inftysum_k=0^n-2left(frac14right)^kleft(frac12right)^n-k-2
&=sum_n=0^inftysum_k=0^nleft(frac14right)^kleft(frac12right)^n-ktag1\
&=sum_k=0^inftysum_n=k^inftyleft(frac14right)^kleft(frac12right)^n-ktag2\
&=sum_k=0^inftysum_n=0^inftyleft(frac14right)^kleft(frac12right)^ntag3\
endalign
$$
Explanation:

$(1)$: substitute $nmapsto n+2$

$(2)$: switch order of summation ($nge k$)

$(3)$: substitute $nmapsto n+k$



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    beginaligned
    sum_n=2^ infty sum_k =0^n-2left(frac14right)^k left(frac12right)^n-k-2 &= sum_n=2^ infty sum_k =0^n-2left(frac12right)^2k left(frac12right)^n-k-2 \
    &= sum_n=2^ infty sum_k =0^n-2left(frac12right)^n+k-2 \
    &= sum_n=2^ infty left(frac12right)^n-2sum_k =0^n-2left(frac12right)^k \
    &= sum_n=2^ infty left(frac12right)^n-2 frac1-left(frac 12right)^n-11-frac 12 \
    &= sum_n=2^ inftyleft(frac12right)^n-3 - left(frac12right)^2n-4 \
    &= 2 sum_n=0^ inftyleft(frac12right)^n -sum_n=0^inftyleft(frac14right)^n \
    &= 2 frac11-frac 12-frac11-frac 1 4 \
    &= frac 8 3
    endaligned






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      This problem involves sums of geometric sequences for which there is a well-known formula:



      $$sum_n=0^m-1 r^n = frac1-r^m1-r.$$



      Applying this to your summation and using a little algebra you get:



      $$beginequation beginaligned
      sum_n=2^infty sum_k=0^n-2 Big( frac14 Big)^k Big( frac12 Big)^n-k-2
      &= sum_n=2^infty Big( frac12 Big)^n-2 sum_k=0^n-2 Big( frac14 Big)^k Big( frac12 Big)^-k \[6pt]
      &= sum_n=2^infty Big( frac12 Big)^n-2 sum_k=0^n-2 Big( frac12 Big)^k \[6pt]
      &= sum_n=2^infty Big( frac12 Big)^n-2 cdot frac1-(tfrac12)^n-11-tfrac12 \[6pt]
      &= 2 Bigg[ sum_n=2^infty Big( frac12 Big)^n-2 - sum_n=2^infty Big( frac12 Big)^2n-3 Bigg] \[6pt]
      &= 2 Bigg[ sum_n=0^infty Big( frac12 Big)^n - frac12 sum_n=0^infty Big( frac14 Big)^n Bigg] \[6pt]
      &= 2 Bigg[ frac11-tfrac12 - frac12 cdot frac11-tfrac14 Bigg] \[6pt]
      &= 2 Bigg[ 2 - frac12 cdot frac43 Bigg] \[6pt]
      &= 2 Bigg[ 2 - frac23 Bigg] \[6pt]
      &= 2 cdot frac43 \[6pt]
      &= frac83 = 2.6bar6. \[6pt]
      endaligned endequation$$






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        $$
        beginalign
        sum_n=2^inftysum_k=0^n-2left(frac14right)^kleft(frac12right)^n-k-2
        &=sum_n=0^inftysum_k=0^nleft(frac14right)^kleft(frac12right)^n-ktag1\
        &=sum_k=0^inftysum_n=k^inftyleft(frac14right)^kleft(frac12right)^n-ktag2\
        &=sum_k=0^inftysum_n=0^inftyleft(frac14right)^kleft(frac12right)^ntag3\
        endalign
        $$
        Explanation:

        $(1)$: substitute $nmapsto n+2$

        $(2)$: switch order of summation ($nge k$)

        $(3)$: substitute $nmapsto n+k$



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          $$
          beginalign
          sum_n=2^inftysum_k=0^n-2left(frac14right)^kleft(frac12right)^n-k-2
          &=sum_n=0^inftysum_k=0^nleft(frac14right)^kleft(frac12right)^n-ktag1\
          &=sum_k=0^inftysum_n=k^inftyleft(frac14right)^kleft(frac12right)^n-ktag2\
          &=sum_k=0^inftysum_n=0^inftyleft(frac14right)^kleft(frac12right)^ntag3\
          endalign
          $$
          Explanation:

          $(1)$: substitute $nmapsto n+2$

          $(2)$: switch order of summation ($nge k$)

          $(3)$: substitute $nmapsto n+k$



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            $$
            beginalign
            sum_n=2^inftysum_k=0^n-2left(frac14right)^kleft(frac12right)^n-k-2
            &=sum_n=0^inftysum_k=0^nleft(frac14right)^kleft(frac12right)^n-ktag1\
            &=sum_k=0^inftysum_n=k^inftyleft(frac14right)^kleft(frac12right)^n-ktag2\
            &=sum_k=0^inftysum_n=0^inftyleft(frac14right)^kleft(frac12right)^ntag3\
            endalign
            $$
            Explanation:

            $(1)$: substitute $nmapsto n+2$

            $(2)$: switch order of summation ($nge k$)

            $(3)$: substitute $nmapsto n+k$



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            $$
            beginalign
            sum_n=2^inftysum_k=0^n-2left(frac14right)^kleft(frac12right)^n-k-2
            &=sum_n=0^inftysum_k=0^nleft(frac14right)^kleft(frac12right)^n-ktag1\
            &=sum_k=0^inftysum_n=k^inftyleft(frac14right)^kleft(frac12right)^n-ktag2\
            &=sum_k=0^inftysum_n=0^inftyleft(frac14right)^kleft(frac12right)^ntag3\
            endalign
            $$
            Explanation:

            $(1)$: substitute $nmapsto n+2$

            $(2)$: switch order of summation ($nge k$)

            $(3)$: substitute $nmapsto n+k$



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                beginaligned
                sum_n=2^ infty sum_k =0^n-2left(frac14right)^k left(frac12right)^n-k-2 &= sum_n=2^ infty sum_k =0^n-2left(frac12right)^2k left(frac12right)^n-k-2 \
                &= sum_n=2^ infty sum_k =0^n-2left(frac12right)^n+k-2 \
                &= sum_n=2^ infty left(frac12right)^n-2sum_k =0^n-2left(frac12right)^k \
                &= sum_n=2^ infty left(frac12right)^n-2 frac1-left(frac 12right)^n-11-frac 12 \
                &= sum_n=2^ inftyleft(frac12right)^n-3 - left(frac12right)^2n-4 \
                &= 2 sum_n=0^ inftyleft(frac12right)^n -sum_n=0^inftyleft(frac14right)^n \
                &= 2 frac11-frac 12-frac11-frac 1 4 \
                &= frac 8 3
                endaligned






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                  beginaligned
                  sum_n=2^ infty sum_k =0^n-2left(frac14right)^k left(frac12right)^n-k-2 &= sum_n=2^ infty sum_k =0^n-2left(frac12right)^2k left(frac12right)^n-k-2 \
                  &= sum_n=2^ infty sum_k =0^n-2left(frac12right)^n+k-2 \
                  &= sum_n=2^ infty left(frac12right)^n-2sum_k =0^n-2left(frac12right)^k \
                  &= sum_n=2^ infty left(frac12right)^n-2 frac1-left(frac 12right)^n-11-frac 12 \
                  &= sum_n=2^ inftyleft(frac12right)^n-3 - left(frac12right)^2n-4 \
                  &= 2 sum_n=0^ inftyleft(frac12right)^n -sum_n=0^inftyleft(frac14right)^n \
                  &= 2 frac11-frac 12-frac11-frac 1 4 \
                  &= frac 8 3
                  endaligned






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                    beginaligned
                    sum_n=2^ infty sum_k =0^n-2left(frac14right)^k left(frac12right)^n-k-2 &= sum_n=2^ infty sum_k =0^n-2left(frac12right)^2k left(frac12right)^n-k-2 \
                    &= sum_n=2^ infty sum_k =0^n-2left(frac12right)^n+k-2 \
                    &= sum_n=2^ infty left(frac12right)^n-2sum_k =0^n-2left(frac12right)^k \
                    &= sum_n=2^ infty left(frac12right)^n-2 frac1-left(frac 12right)^n-11-frac 12 \
                    &= sum_n=2^ inftyleft(frac12right)^n-3 - left(frac12right)^2n-4 \
                    &= 2 sum_n=0^ inftyleft(frac12right)^n -sum_n=0^inftyleft(frac14right)^n \
                    &= 2 frac11-frac 12-frac11-frac 1 4 \
                    &= frac 8 3
                    endaligned






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                    beginaligned
                    sum_n=2^ infty sum_k =0^n-2left(frac14right)^k left(frac12right)^n-k-2 &= sum_n=2^ infty sum_k =0^n-2left(frac12right)^2k left(frac12right)^n-k-2 \
                    &= sum_n=2^ infty sum_k =0^n-2left(frac12right)^n+k-2 \
                    &= sum_n=2^ infty left(frac12right)^n-2sum_k =0^n-2left(frac12right)^k \
                    &= sum_n=2^ infty left(frac12right)^n-2 frac1-left(frac 12right)^n-11-frac 12 \
                    &= sum_n=2^ inftyleft(frac12right)^n-3 - left(frac12right)^2n-4 \
                    &= 2 sum_n=0^ inftyleft(frac12right)^n -sum_n=0^inftyleft(frac14right)^n \
                    &= 2 frac11-frac 12-frac11-frac 1 4 \
                    &= frac 8 3
                    endaligned







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                        This problem involves sums of geometric sequences for which there is a well-known formula:



                        $$sum_n=0^m-1 r^n = frac1-r^m1-r.$$



                        Applying this to your summation and using a little algebra you get:



                        $$beginequation beginaligned
                        sum_n=2^infty sum_k=0^n-2 Big( frac14 Big)^k Big( frac12 Big)^n-k-2
                        &= sum_n=2^infty Big( frac12 Big)^n-2 sum_k=0^n-2 Big( frac14 Big)^k Big( frac12 Big)^-k \[6pt]
                        &= sum_n=2^infty Big( frac12 Big)^n-2 sum_k=0^n-2 Big( frac12 Big)^k \[6pt]
                        &= sum_n=2^infty Big( frac12 Big)^n-2 cdot frac1-(tfrac12)^n-11-tfrac12 \[6pt]
                        &= 2 Bigg[ sum_n=2^infty Big( frac12 Big)^n-2 - sum_n=2^infty Big( frac12 Big)^2n-3 Bigg] \[6pt]
                        &= 2 Bigg[ sum_n=0^infty Big( frac12 Big)^n - frac12 sum_n=0^infty Big( frac14 Big)^n Bigg] \[6pt]
                        &= 2 Bigg[ frac11-tfrac12 - frac12 cdot frac11-tfrac14 Bigg] \[6pt]
                        &= 2 Bigg[ 2 - frac12 cdot frac43 Bigg] \[6pt]
                        &= 2 Bigg[ 2 - frac23 Bigg] \[6pt]
                        &= 2 cdot frac43 \[6pt]
                        &= frac83 = 2.6bar6. \[6pt]
                        endaligned endequation$$






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                          This problem involves sums of geometric sequences for which there is a well-known formula:



                          $$sum_n=0^m-1 r^n = frac1-r^m1-r.$$



                          Applying this to your summation and using a little algebra you get:



                          $$beginequation beginaligned
                          sum_n=2^infty sum_k=0^n-2 Big( frac14 Big)^k Big( frac12 Big)^n-k-2
                          &= sum_n=2^infty Big( frac12 Big)^n-2 sum_k=0^n-2 Big( frac14 Big)^k Big( frac12 Big)^-k \[6pt]
                          &= sum_n=2^infty Big( frac12 Big)^n-2 sum_k=0^n-2 Big( frac12 Big)^k \[6pt]
                          &= sum_n=2^infty Big( frac12 Big)^n-2 cdot frac1-(tfrac12)^n-11-tfrac12 \[6pt]
                          &= 2 Bigg[ sum_n=2^infty Big( frac12 Big)^n-2 - sum_n=2^infty Big( frac12 Big)^2n-3 Bigg] \[6pt]
                          &= 2 Bigg[ sum_n=0^infty Big( frac12 Big)^n - frac12 sum_n=0^infty Big( frac14 Big)^n Bigg] \[6pt]
                          &= 2 Bigg[ frac11-tfrac12 - frac12 cdot frac11-tfrac14 Bigg] \[6pt]
                          &= 2 Bigg[ 2 - frac12 cdot frac43 Bigg] \[6pt]
                          &= 2 Bigg[ 2 - frac23 Bigg] \[6pt]
                          &= 2 cdot frac43 \[6pt]
                          &= frac83 = 2.6bar6. \[6pt]
                          endaligned endequation$$






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                            This problem involves sums of geometric sequences for which there is a well-known formula:



                            $$sum_n=0^m-1 r^n = frac1-r^m1-r.$$



                            Applying this to your summation and using a little algebra you get:



                            $$beginequation beginaligned
                            sum_n=2^infty sum_k=0^n-2 Big( frac14 Big)^k Big( frac12 Big)^n-k-2
                            &= sum_n=2^infty Big( frac12 Big)^n-2 sum_k=0^n-2 Big( frac14 Big)^k Big( frac12 Big)^-k \[6pt]
                            &= sum_n=2^infty Big( frac12 Big)^n-2 sum_k=0^n-2 Big( frac12 Big)^k \[6pt]
                            &= sum_n=2^infty Big( frac12 Big)^n-2 cdot frac1-(tfrac12)^n-11-tfrac12 \[6pt]
                            &= 2 Bigg[ sum_n=2^infty Big( frac12 Big)^n-2 - sum_n=2^infty Big( frac12 Big)^2n-3 Bigg] \[6pt]
                            &= 2 Bigg[ sum_n=0^infty Big( frac12 Big)^n - frac12 sum_n=0^infty Big( frac14 Big)^n Bigg] \[6pt]
                            &= 2 Bigg[ frac11-tfrac12 - frac12 cdot frac11-tfrac14 Bigg] \[6pt]
                            &= 2 Bigg[ 2 - frac12 cdot frac43 Bigg] \[6pt]
                            &= 2 Bigg[ 2 - frac23 Bigg] \[6pt]
                            &= 2 cdot frac43 \[6pt]
                            &= frac83 = 2.6bar6. \[6pt]
                            endaligned endequation$$






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                            This problem involves sums of geometric sequences for which there is a well-known formula:



                            $$sum_n=0^m-1 r^n = frac1-r^m1-r.$$



                            Applying this to your summation and using a little algebra you get:



                            $$beginequation beginaligned
                            sum_n=2^infty sum_k=0^n-2 Big( frac14 Big)^k Big( frac12 Big)^n-k-2
                            &= sum_n=2^infty Big( frac12 Big)^n-2 sum_k=0^n-2 Big( frac14 Big)^k Big( frac12 Big)^-k \[6pt]
                            &= sum_n=2^infty Big( frac12 Big)^n-2 sum_k=0^n-2 Big( frac12 Big)^k \[6pt]
                            &= sum_n=2^infty Big( frac12 Big)^n-2 cdot frac1-(tfrac12)^n-11-tfrac12 \[6pt]
                            &= 2 Bigg[ sum_n=2^infty Big( frac12 Big)^n-2 - sum_n=2^infty Big( frac12 Big)^2n-3 Bigg] \[6pt]
                            &= 2 Bigg[ sum_n=0^infty Big( frac12 Big)^n - frac12 sum_n=0^infty Big( frac14 Big)^n Bigg] \[6pt]
                            &= 2 Bigg[ frac11-tfrac12 - frac12 cdot frac11-tfrac14 Bigg] \[6pt]
                            &= 2 Bigg[ 2 - frac12 cdot frac43 Bigg] \[6pt]
                            &= 2 Bigg[ 2 - frac23 Bigg] \[6pt]
                            &= 2 cdot frac43 \[6pt]
                            &= frac83 = 2.6bar6. \[6pt]
                            endaligned endequation$$







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