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Hi, how do I find the minimum value of f(x) = (4sin²x + 9cosec²x) using the concepts of maxima and minima? First I used the AM-GM inequality, I got 12, which is the right answer if we take a look at the graph of the function. Then I tried using the concepts of maxima/minima (which is supposed to work too).
If I differentiate it once and set it equal to zero, it gives me x = (2n+1)π/2, i.e odd multiples of π/2 (check out the attachment). Now if we put x = π/2, 3π/2, 5π/2, etc into the function, it gives me 13 as the answer, which is wrong. It's minimum value is 12. Where did it go wrong? Because concepts of maxima and minima should get us to the correct answer?
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  • 13 is correct. AM-GM is loose here.
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  • If you take a look at the graph of this function, it's clear that it's minimum value is 12 and it goes as high as +infinity. How is 13 the correct answer then?
    – Ï€ times e
    Jul 30 at 5:16











  • Yeah, you're right. 13 is the correct answer. Actually I didn't read its graph correctly. My bad! Sorry. And thanks
    – Ï€ times e
    Jul 30 at 5:20











  • Instead of differentiating , you can write the function as : $(2sinx-3cosecx)^2 +12 $. Then you can conclude that the minimum value of $(2sinx-3cosecx)^2$ is $1$ and hence min value of $f(x)$ is 13 . Although this is not the best method.
    – Alphanerd
    Jul 30 at 5:36










  • How did you conclude that the minimum value of (2sinx - 3cosecx)² is 1? Can you please explain it?
    – Ï€ times e
    Jul 31 at 9:39














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Hi, how do I find the minimum value of f(x) = (4sin²x + 9cosec²x) using the concepts of maxima and minima? First I used the AM-GM inequality, I got 12, which is the right answer if we take a look at the graph of the function. Then I tried using the concepts of maxima/minima (which is supposed to work too).
If I differentiate it once and set it equal to zero, it gives me x = (2n+1)π/2, i.e odd multiples of π/2 (check out the attachment). Now if we put x = π/2, 3π/2, 5π/2, etc into the function, it gives me 13 as the answer, which is wrong. It's minimum value is 12. Where did it go wrong? Because concepts of maxima and minima should get us to the correct answer?
Thanks







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  • 13 is correct. AM-GM is loose here.
    – angryavian
    Jul 30 at 5:13










  • If you take a look at the graph of this function, it's clear that it's minimum value is 12 and it goes as high as +infinity. How is 13 the correct answer then?
    – Ï€ times e
    Jul 30 at 5:16











  • Yeah, you're right. 13 is the correct answer. Actually I didn't read its graph correctly. My bad! Sorry. And thanks
    – Ï€ times e
    Jul 30 at 5:20











  • Instead of differentiating , you can write the function as : $(2sinx-3cosecx)^2 +12 $. Then you can conclude that the minimum value of $(2sinx-3cosecx)^2$ is $1$ and hence min value of $f(x)$ is 13 . Although this is not the best method.
    – Alphanerd
    Jul 30 at 5:36










  • How did you conclude that the minimum value of (2sinx - 3cosecx)² is 1? Can you please explain it?
    – Ï€ times e
    Jul 31 at 9:39












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Hi, how do I find the minimum value of f(x) = (4sin²x + 9cosec²x) using the concepts of maxima and minima? First I used the AM-GM inequality, I got 12, which is the right answer if we take a look at the graph of the function. Then I tried using the concepts of maxima/minima (which is supposed to work too).
If I differentiate it once and set it equal to zero, it gives me x = (2n+1)π/2, i.e odd multiples of π/2 (check out the attachment). Now if we put x = π/2, 3π/2, 5π/2, etc into the function, it gives me 13 as the answer, which is wrong. It's minimum value is 12. Where did it go wrong? Because concepts of maxima and minima should get us to the correct answer?
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Hi, how do I find the minimum value of f(x) = (4sin²x + 9cosec²x) using the concepts of maxima and minima? First I used the AM-GM inequality, I got 12, which is the right answer if we take a look at the graph of the function. Then I tried using the concepts of maxima/minima (which is supposed to work too).
If I differentiate it once and set it equal to zero, it gives me x = (2n+1)π/2, i.e odd multiples of π/2 (check out the attachment). Now if we put x = π/2, 3π/2, 5π/2, etc into the function, it gives me 13 as the answer, which is wrong. It's minimum value is 12. Where did it go wrong? Because concepts of maxima and minima should get us to the correct answer?
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  • 13 is correct. AM-GM is loose here.
    – angryavian
    Jul 30 at 5:13










  • If you take a look at the graph of this function, it's clear that it's minimum value is 12 and it goes as high as +infinity. How is 13 the correct answer then?
    – Ï€ times e
    Jul 30 at 5:16











  • Yeah, you're right. 13 is the correct answer. Actually I didn't read its graph correctly. My bad! Sorry. And thanks
    – Ï€ times e
    Jul 30 at 5:20











  • Instead of differentiating , you can write the function as : $(2sinx-3cosecx)^2 +12 $. Then you can conclude that the minimum value of $(2sinx-3cosecx)^2$ is $1$ and hence min value of $f(x)$ is 13 . Although this is not the best method.
    – Alphanerd
    Jul 30 at 5:36










  • How did you conclude that the minimum value of (2sinx - 3cosecx)² is 1? Can you please explain it?
    – Ï€ times e
    Jul 31 at 9:39
















  • 13 is correct. AM-GM is loose here.
    – angryavian
    Jul 30 at 5:13










  • If you take a look at the graph of this function, it's clear that it's minimum value is 12 and it goes as high as +infinity. How is 13 the correct answer then?
    – Ï€ times e
    Jul 30 at 5:16











  • Yeah, you're right. 13 is the correct answer. Actually I didn't read its graph correctly. My bad! Sorry. And thanks
    – Ï€ times e
    Jul 30 at 5:20











  • Instead of differentiating , you can write the function as : $(2sinx-3cosecx)^2 +12 $. Then you can conclude that the minimum value of $(2sinx-3cosecx)^2$ is $1$ and hence min value of $f(x)$ is 13 . Although this is not the best method.
    – Alphanerd
    Jul 30 at 5:36










  • How did you conclude that the minimum value of (2sinx - 3cosecx)² is 1? Can you please explain it?
    – Ï€ times e
    Jul 31 at 9:39















13 is correct. AM-GM is loose here.
– angryavian
Jul 30 at 5:13




13 is correct. AM-GM is loose here.
– angryavian
Jul 30 at 5:13












If you take a look at the graph of this function, it's clear that it's minimum value is 12 and it goes as high as +infinity. How is 13 the correct answer then?
– Ï€ times e
Jul 30 at 5:16





If you take a look at the graph of this function, it's clear that it's minimum value is 12 and it goes as high as +infinity. How is 13 the correct answer then?
– Ï€ times e
Jul 30 at 5:16













Yeah, you're right. 13 is the correct answer. Actually I didn't read its graph correctly. My bad! Sorry. And thanks
– Ï€ times e
Jul 30 at 5:20





Yeah, you're right. 13 is the correct answer. Actually I didn't read its graph correctly. My bad! Sorry. And thanks
– Ï€ times e
Jul 30 at 5:20













Instead of differentiating , you can write the function as : $(2sinx-3cosecx)^2 +12 $. Then you can conclude that the minimum value of $(2sinx-3cosecx)^2$ is $1$ and hence min value of $f(x)$ is 13 . Although this is not the best method.
– Alphanerd
Jul 30 at 5:36




Instead of differentiating , you can write the function as : $(2sinx-3cosecx)^2 +12 $. Then you can conclude that the minimum value of $(2sinx-3cosecx)^2$ is $1$ and hence min value of $f(x)$ is 13 . Although this is not the best method.
– Alphanerd
Jul 30 at 5:36












How did you conclude that the minimum value of (2sinx - 3cosecx)² is 1? Can you please explain it?
– Ï€ times e
Jul 31 at 9:39




How did you conclude that the minimum value of (2sinx - 3cosecx)² is 1? Can you please explain it?
– Ï€ times e
Jul 31 at 9:39










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Using AM-GM inequality,



$$4sin^2 x + 9 cosec^2 x ge 2 sqrt4cdot 9=12$$



However, the equality only holds when $$4 sin^2 x = 9 cosec^2 x$$ $$sin^4 x = frac94$$which is not attainable.



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beginalign*4sin^2 x + 9 csc^2 x&=4sin^2 x + frac9 sin^2 x\&=left(4sin^2+ frac4 sin^2 xright)+frac5sin^2 x\&geq 2sqrt4sin^2 xcdotfrac4sin^2 x+5\&=2cdot 4+5\&=13,endalign*with the equality holding if and only if $sin^2 x=1$, namely, $x=2kpipm dfracpi2$ where $k in mathbbZ.$






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    Writing $sin^2x=t^2$ for $tin[0,1]$, we want to know when $g(t)=4t^2+frac9t^2$ becomes minimal. We have $4t^2+frac9t^2 = (frac3t-2t)^2+12$. Dropping the square gives you the 12. However, $frac3t-2tge 1$ for $0< tle 1$ and so the function must be at least 13, attained whenever $sin^2x=1$.






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    • How to establish the last inequality?
      – lab bhattacharjee
      Jul 30 at 8:49










    • Calculus works, for example. The derivative of $frac3t-2t$ is negative for $t>0$, so the function is $ge$ its value at the rightmost point. But the answer of @mengdie1982 is more elegant anyway :)
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    As noted we can't apply AM-GM inequality but we can refer to Rearrangement inequality selecting



    • $(a_1,a_2)=left(sin^2 x,frac94 right)$

    • $(b_1,b_2)=left(4,frac4sin^2 xright)$

    we have



    $$4sin^2 x + frac9 sin^2 x=4cdot sin^2 x + frac 94cdotfrac4 sin^2 x=$$



    $$=a_1b_1+a_2b_2ge a_1b_2+a_2b_1=sin^2cdot frac4 sin^2 x+ frac 94cdot4=13$$






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    • this is wrong,you can not do like this,unless you can go on with the sencond inequality.
      – mengdie1982
      Jul 30 at 14:33











    • @mengdie1982 Yes of course you are right! I fix, thanks
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    Using AM-GM inequality,



    $$4sin^2 x + 9 cosec^2 x ge 2 sqrt4cdot 9=12$$



    However, the equality only holds when $$4 sin^2 x = 9 cosec^2 x$$ $$sin^4 x = frac94$$which is not attainable.



    Desmos link here for the graph.



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    Using AM-GM inequality,



    $$4sin^2 x + 9 cosec^2 x ge 2 sqrt4cdot 9=12$$



    However, the equality only holds when $$4 sin^2 x = 9 cosec^2 x$$ $$sin^4 x = frac94$$which is not attainable.



    Desmos link here for the graph.



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    Using AM-GM inequality,



    $$4sin^2 x + 9 cosec^2 x ge 2 sqrt4cdot 9=12$$



    However, the equality only holds when $$4 sin^2 x = 9 cosec^2 x$$ $$sin^4 x = frac94$$which is not attainable.



    Desmos link here for the graph.



    enter image description here






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    Using AM-GM inequality,



    $$4sin^2 x + 9 cosec^2 x ge 2 sqrt4cdot 9=12$$



    However, the equality only holds when $$4 sin^2 x = 9 cosec^2 x$$ $$sin^4 x = frac94$$which is not attainable.



    Desmos link here for the graph.



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    beginalign*4sin^2 x + 9 csc^2 x&=4sin^2 x + frac9 sin^2 x\&=left(4sin^2+ frac4 sin^2 xright)+frac5sin^2 x\&geq 2sqrt4sin^2 xcdotfrac4sin^2 x+5\&=2cdot 4+5\&=13,endalign*with the equality holding if and only if $sin^2 x=1$, namely, $x=2kpipm dfracpi2$ where $k in mathbbZ.$






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      beginalign*4sin^2 x + 9 csc^2 x&=4sin^2 x + frac9 sin^2 x\&=left(4sin^2+ frac4 sin^2 xright)+frac5sin^2 x\&geq 2sqrt4sin^2 xcdotfrac4sin^2 x+5\&=2cdot 4+5\&=13,endalign*with the equality holding if and only if $sin^2 x=1$, namely, $x=2kpipm dfracpi2$ where $k in mathbbZ.$






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        beginalign*4sin^2 x + 9 csc^2 x&=4sin^2 x + frac9 sin^2 x\&=left(4sin^2+ frac4 sin^2 xright)+frac5sin^2 x\&geq 2sqrt4sin^2 xcdotfrac4sin^2 x+5\&=2cdot 4+5\&=13,endalign*with the equality holding if and only if $sin^2 x=1$, namely, $x=2kpipm dfracpi2$ where $k in mathbbZ.$






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        beginalign*4sin^2 x + 9 csc^2 x&=4sin^2 x + frac9 sin^2 x\&=left(4sin^2+ frac4 sin^2 xright)+frac5sin^2 x\&geq 2sqrt4sin^2 xcdotfrac4sin^2 x+5\&=2cdot 4+5\&=13,endalign*with the equality holding if and only if $sin^2 x=1$, namely, $x=2kpipm dfracpi2$ where $k in mathbbZ.$







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            Writing $sin^2x=t^2$ for $tin[0,1]$, we want to know when $g(t)=4t^2+frac9t^2$ becomes minimal. We have $4t^2+frac9t^2 = (frac3t-2t)^2+12$. Dropping the square gives you the 12. However, $frac3t-2tge 1$ for $0< tle 1$ and so the function must be at least 13, attained whenever $sin^2x=1$.






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            • How to establish the last inequality?
              – lab bhattacharjee
              Jul 30 at 8:49










            • Calculus works, for example. The derivative of $frac3t-2t$ is negative for $t>0$, so the function is $ge$ its value at the rightmost point. But the answer of @mengdie1982 is more elegant anyway :)
              – Kusma
              Jul 30 at 10:06














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            Writing $sin^2x=t^2$ for $tin[0,1]$, we want to know when $g(t)=4t^2+frac9t^2$ becomes minimal. We have $4t^2+frac9t^2 = (frac3t-2t)^2+12$. Dropping the square gives you the 12. However, $frac3t-2tge 1$ for $0< tle 1$ and so the function must be at least 13, attained whenever $sin^2x=1$.






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            • How to establish the last inequality?
              – lab bhattacharjee
              Jul 30 at 8:49










            • Calculus works, for example. The derivative of $frac3t-2t$ is negative for $t>0$, so the function is $ge$ its value at the rightmost point. But the answer of @mengdie1982 is more elegant anyway :)
              – Kusma
              Jul 30 at 10:06












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            Writing $sin^2x=t^2$ for $tin[0,1]$, we want to know when $g(t)=4t^2+frac9t^2$ becomes minimal. We have $4t^2+frac9t^2 = (frac3t-2t)^2+12$. Dropping the square gives you the 12. However, $frac3t-2tge 1$ for $0< tle 1$ and so the function must be at least 13, attained whenever $sin^2x=1$.






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            Writing $sin^2x=t^2$ for $tin[0,1]$, we want to know when $g(t)=4t^2+frac9t^2$ becomes minimal. We have $4t^2+frac9t^2 = (frac3t-2t)^2+12$. Dropping the square gives you the 12. However, $frac3t-2tge 1$ for $0< tle 1$ and so the function must be at least 13, attained whenever $sin^2x=1$.







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            • How to establish the last inequality?
              – lab bhattacharjee
              Jul 30 at 8:49










            • Calculus works, for example. The derivative of $frac3t-2t$ is negative for $t>0$, so the function is $ge$ its value at the rightmost point. But the answer of @mengdie1982 is more elegant anyway :)
              – Kusma
              Jul 30 at 10:06
















            • How to establish the last inequality?
              – lab bhattacharjee
              Jul 30 at 8:49










            • Calculus works, for example. The derivative of $frac3t-2t$ is negative for $t>0$, so the function is $ge$ its value at the rightmost point. But the answer of @mengdie1982 is more elegant anyway :)
              – Kusma
              Jul 30 at 10:06















            How to establish the last inequality?
            – lab bhattacharjee
            Jul 30 at 8:49




            How to establish the last inequality?
            – lab bhattacharjee
            Jul 30 at 8:49












            Calculus works, for example. The derivative of $frac3t-2t$ is negative for $t>0$, so the function is $ge$ its value at the rightmost point. But the answer of @mengdie1982 is more elegant anyway :)
            – Kusma
            Jul 30 at 10:06




            Calculus works, for example. The derivative of $frac3t-2t$ is negative for $t>0$, so the function is $ge$ its value at the rightmost point. But the answer of @mengdie1982 is more elegant anyway :)
            – Kusma
            Jul 30 at 10:06










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            As noted we can't apply AM-GM inequality but we can refer to Rearrangement inequality selecting



            • $(a_1,a_2)=left(sin^2 x,frac94 right)$

            • $(b_1,b_2)=left(4,frac4sin^2 xright)$

            we have



            $$4sin^2 x + frac9 sin^2 x=4cdot sin^2 x + frac 94cdotfrac4 sin^2 x=$$



            $$=a_1b_1+a_2b_2ge a_1b_2+a_2b_1=sin^2cdot frac4 sin^2 x+ frac 94cdot4=13$$






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            • this is wrong,you can not do like this,unless you can go on with the sencond inequality.
              – mengdie1982
              Jul 30 at 14:33











            • @mengdie1982 Yes of course you are right! I fix, thanks
              – gimusi
              Jul 30 at 14:56














            up vote
            0
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            As noted we can't apply AM-GM inequality but we can refer to Rearrangement inequality selecting



            • $(a_1,a_2)=left(sin^2 x,frac94 right)$

            • $(b_1,b_2)=left(4,frac4sin^2 xright)$

            we have



            $$4sin^2 x + frac9 sin^2 x=4cdot sin^2 x + frac 94cdotfrac4 sin^2 x=$$



            $$=a_1b_1+a_2b_2ge a_1b_2+a_2b_1=sin^2cdot frac4 sin^2 x+ frac 94cdot4=13$$






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            • this is wrong,you can not do like this,unless you can go on with the sencond inequality.
              – mengdie1982
              Jul 30 at 14:33











            • @mengdie1982 Yes of course you are right! I fix, thanks
              – gimusi
              Jul 30 at 14:56












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            up vote
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            As noted we can't apply AM-GM inequality but we can refer to Rearrangement inequality selecting



            • $(a_1,a_2)=left(sin^2 x,frac94 right)$

            • $(b_1,b_2)=left(4,frac4sin^2 xright)$

            we have



            $$4sin^2 x + frac9 sin^2 x=4cdot sin^2 x + frac 94cdotfrac4 sin^2 x=$$



            $$=a_1b_1+a_2b_2ge a_1b_2+a_2b_1=sin^2cdot frac4 sin^2 x+ frac 94cdot4=13$$






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            As noted we can't apply AM-GM inequality but we can refer to Rearrangement inequality selecting



            • $(a_1,a_2)=left(sin^2 x,frac94 right)$

            • $(b_1,b_2)=left(4,frac4sin^2 xright)$

            we have



            $$4sin^2 x + frac9 sin^2 x=4cdot sin^2 x + frac 94cdotfrac4 sin^2 x=$$



            $$=a_1b_1+a_2b_2ge a_1b_2+a_2b_1=sin^2cdot frac4 sin^2 x+ frac 94cdot4=13$$







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            • this is wrong,you can not do like this,unless you can go on with the sencond inequality.
              – mengdie1982
              Jul 30 at 14:33











            • @mengdie1982 Yes of course you are right! I fix, thanks
              – gimusi
              Jul 30 at 14:56
















            • this is wrong,you can not do like this,unless you can go on with the sencond inequality.
              – mengdie1982
              Jul 30 at 14:33











            • @mengdie1982 Yes of course you are right! I fix, thanks
              – gimusi
              Jul 30 at 14:56















            this is wrong,you can not do like this,unless you can go on with the sencond inequality.
            – mengdie1982
            Jul 30 at 14:33





            this is wrong,you can not do like this,unless you can go on with the sencond inequality.
            – mengdie1982
            Jul 30 at 14:33













            @mengdie1982 Yes of course you are right! I fix, thanks
            – gimusi
            Jul 30 at 14:56




            @mengdie1982 Yes of course you are right! I fix, thanks
            – gimusi
            Jul 30 at 14:56












             

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